On what grounds do atheist call things wrong?

[Forbidden In Heaven and Useless In Hell]

I've noticed a lot that atheist like to say that the actions of God in the Old Testament were wrong, or that this part of this religion is wrong, or that what this religious group did was wrong. There are a lot of things you could consider wrong in a lot of religions, but I'm wondering how an atheist calls anything wrong or right.

I don't want to start a debate about the existence of god, just this topic. I'm not taking any sides in regards to the existence of God, because I'm kind of in a stage where I don't know enough to make a decision, but I think that there's not any reason for an atheist to call anything wrong. I believe that objective morality can only come from God, and I don't know any atheist who disagree with that. If you believe in completely subjective morality, then how can you call something wrong, when morality is based on whatever the individual thinks?

I'm expecting everyone here to go on a huge diatribe against me, as the history of NSG shows.

[Tubbsalot]

I'm sorry, are you implying that the religious have never said that anything is wrong?

[Bontivate]

If it hurts someone (and the person hasn't earned it by hurting someone themselves) then it's wrong. There ya go.

[Meryuma]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-ethics

[Nationstatelandsville]

How can I, as an atheist, condemn a man who supposedly created everything wrong in the world?

It's called morality. Just because I don't believe in a God, it doesn't mean I don't have one. If not because a god demands I do, but because I value sentient life.

[Lackadaisical2]

By using entirely arbitrary starting points, much like religions do.

[Forbidden In Heaven and Useless In Hell]

If it hurts someone (and the person hasn't earned it by hurting someone themselves) then it's wrong. There ya go.

Would you then consider vaccinations wrong because it hurts getting a shot?

[Bontivate]

If it hurts someone (and the person hasn't earned it by hurting someone themselves) then it's wrong. There ya go.

Would you then consider vaccinations wrong because it hurts getting a shot?

It helps more than it hurts.

[Tlaceceyaya]

If it hurts someone (and the person hasn't earned it by hurting someone themselves) then it's wrong. There ya go.

Would you then consider vaccinations wrong because it hurts getting a shot?

Not so. They barely hurt at all and they are very important. Plus they give you lollipops.

[Forbidden In Heaven and Useless In Hell]

Would you then consider vaccinations wrong because it hurts getting a shot?

It helps more than it hurts.

Well, you didn't say that.

[Bontivate]

It helps more than it hurts.

Well, you didn't say that.

Well, I implied it.

[Forbidden In Heaven and Useless In Hell]

Well, you didn't say that.

Well, I implied it.

No?

[Tubbsalot]

Well, you didn't say that.

That's not enormously surprising, since you brought it up.

[Tmutarakhan]

I believe that objective morality can only come from God, and I don't know any atheist who disagree with that.

Then obviously you don't know any atheists at all. A commandment-driven "morality" (I do not consider just following orders to be moral) is the very opposite of "objective": it is totally relative to the will of the "God" and will only resemble morality accidentally, depending on the mood of that particular being.

[Segland]

Would you then consider vaccinations wrong because it hurts getting a shot?

Not so. They barely hurt at all and they are very important. Plus they give you lollipops.

Countless children have choked on lollipops and been hurt. Therefore shots are indeed wrong.

[Bontivate]

Well, I implied it.

No?

I guess I was too subtle. Well, I've said it now.

[Forbidden In Heaven and Useless In Hell]

Well, you didn't say that.

That's not enormously surprising, since you brought it up.

Where did I bring up that things that hurt but benefit you long-term were excluded?

[Wikkiwallana]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality_without_religion

Knock yourself out.

[Forbidden In Heaven and Useless In Hell]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality_without_religion

Knock yourself out.

If I wanted to read a wikipedia article, I wouldn't of asked here.

[Bontivate]

Also, I have a question. If God said, 'It's okay to rape people' would you rape people?

[Mavorpen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality_without_religion

Knock yourself out.

If I wanted to read a wikipedia article, I wouldn't of asked here.

If you tried to read a Wikipedia article, you wouldn't have asked here. Hence the issue.

[Forbidden In Heaven and Useless In Hell]

Also, I have a question. If God said, 'It's okay to rape people' would you rape people?

If God himself said that, and I mean God, not some hallucination, then there's really no way you could argue against it. I wouldn't go out raping people, however. Not because I still feel it's wrong, but because I don't want to.

[Tmutarakhan]

Also, I have a question. If God said, 'It's okay to rape people' would you rape people?

He could not conceive of doing anything else, according to his OP.

[Bontivate]

Also, I have a question. If God said, 'It's okay to rape people' would you rape people?

If God himself said that, and I mean God, not some hallucination, then there's really no way you could argue against it. I wouldn't go out raping people, however. Not because I still feel it's wrong, but because I don't want to.

So you're saying that you have morality outside of religion then? I mean, God said you can do it, but without religion you decided it was bad. This means you aren't a sociopath, which I guess is a good thing.

Now, let's say God said that he decided that raping people was a good thing. Would you rape people?

[Forbidden In Heaven and Useless In Hell]

If I wanted to read a wikipedia article, I wouldn't of asked here.

If you tried to read a Wikipedia article, you wouldn't have asked here. Hence the issue.

I don't feel like reading paragraphs of Times New Roman.