Substitutes for actual affection

[New Ziedrich]

Well, I know when someone can take things too far, that's for sure.

[Lackadaisical2]

Well, I know when someone can take things too far, that's for sure.

I just want to know if he bought two tickets.

E: He did!

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The poll is, unfortunately, limited by a ten-item checklist. I would like to invite discussion of these various devices; which of them are immoral, and why; which are creepy, and why; and which of them are pathetic, and why. I would like it if you clarified which are which, but there's no reason to be explicit about how you or someone else uses them - this is a PG-13 forum. I'm interested in your huffy judgements, moral uproar, and derision; the policies you would like to make respecting these devices; et cetera. Your political opinions, in other words, not sex tips.

Nothing which does not inflict unwilling and undeserving harm on another being can possibly be immoral. To even imply a possibility is frightening, such dogmatic authoritarianism should be beyond our species by now.

As for words like 'creepy' and 'pathetic', I simply ask, what business is it of anyone who does not personally participate? It's their body, it's their lives, what right do we have to pass judgment upon them, for the sake of calming our own insecurities at the expense of those who perceive as eccentric but who are fully harmless and sometimes content with their choices?

Fuck morality, fuck derision, fuck policies. If morals are based on anything other than empathy and the principle of avoiding harm and suffering, they are inherently dangerous to our species and infect us like a virus.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Well, I know when someone can take things too far, that's for sure.

Imaging shining a black light on that thing.
You'd need eye protection.

[New Ziedrich]

Well, I know when someone can take things too far, that's for sure.

I just want to know if he bought two tickets.

I really, really hope so.

He should get tossed out of the park if he didn't.

E: Well that's a relief, I guess. At least he's an honest super-nerd.

[Lackadaisical2]

I just want to know if he bought two tickets.

I really, really hope so.

He should get tossed out of the park if he didn't.

I re-watched the beginning, he did buy two tickets, based on the register's screen, and the commentator's reactions.

[Gauthier]

What's so immoral about using a device for personal gratification in the absence of living companionship? That's the closest to a relationship some people are ever gonna get. :sad:

And is it just me, or does this thread look like an FST Trap?

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Also, I have an 'artificial vagina', although it does not actually look like one, it's simply a translucent, ribbed piece of silicon with an opening on both sides. And I don't have it because I don't have a sex life with other human beings or because I'm some kind of freak. I basically have it for the same reason a gardener has a shovel - if something good you can do with your hand can be improved by an object, why the hell wouldn't you have one?

[Lackadaisical2]

Fuck morality, fuck derision, fuck policies. If morals are based on anything other than empathy and the principle of avoiding harm and suffering, they are inherently dangerous to our species and infect us like a virus.

Ah, nothing like a feel-good rant. Can we sing kumbaya next?

On the contrary, all the caring in the world might fail us where a drop of menace might do.

[Tahar Joblis]

What's so immoral about using a device for personal gratification in the absence of living companionship? That's the closest to a relationship some people are ever gonna get. :sad:

And is it just me, or does this thread look like an FST Trap?

I'll be perfectly happy if 4ST doesn't post in this thread.

On the otaku who married his pillow - I can't imagine doing such a thing myself, and can't help but wonder if he's maybe a little detached from reality, but I can't help but admire the guts it takes to take your pillow out for a day at the amusement park with all those people staring and pointing at you behind your back.

[Trotskylvania]

I think your thread title is somewhat misleading. I can't imagine any of these 'tools' being used to emulate affection. Gratification, yes, but affection implies an emotional subtext that simply doesn't exist in this context.

Immoral? No.

The girlfriend pillows and realistic sex dolls quite often do end up turned into emotional surrogates though. Which is why I tend to find them creepy beyond the normal uncanny valley effect you get from so-called "realistic" sex dolls.

[Shakal]

To me none of those things are immoral or creepy. I think its really how you use them. If u feed your blow up doll cereal and take it to the movies that a bit creepy...

[The Joseon Dynasty]

To me none of those things are immoral or creepy. I think its really how you use them. If u feed your blow up doll cereal and take it to the movies that a bit creepy...

I watched subtitled foreign films in a darkened basement with mine.

[Shakal]

To me none of those things are immoral or creepy. I think its really how you use them. If u feed your blow up doll cereal and take it to the movies that a bit creepy...

I watched subtitled foreign films in a darkened basement with mine.

Well to me seems less creepy than feeding it. I mean in a dark basement you can be all kinky and only the eyes of the almighty lord Chuck Norris can see you

[Genivaria]

There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those who look at porn, and liars.

[Gothinia]

I think you mean "pleasuring yourself" because this has nothing to do with "affection"

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The poll is, unfortunately, limited by a ten-item checklist. I would like to invite discussion of these various devices; which of them are immoral, and why; which are creepy, and why; and which of them are pathetic, and why. I would like it if you clarified which are which, but there's no reason to be explicit about how you or someone else uses them - this is a PG-13 forum. I'm interested in your huffy judgements, moral uproar, and derision; the policies you would like to make respecting these devices; et cetera. Your political opinions, in other words, not sex tips.

Do you find the use of these things empowering?

Can't say I do. I just find them useful.

Their manufacture degrading?

I guess that would depend on personal opinion. To each his/her own. If someone wants to lend his penis/her vagina to model for the manufacturing of sex toys, more power to them. I don't see myself doing this, but I have nothing against others doing this.

[Kilobugya]

I oppose professional pornography, for I don't think sexual intercourse should be a commodity. But I don't oppose amateur one (people who like to publish their own sex, by their own will, not doing it because they are coerced by monetary reasons to do so). I don't oppose any of the rest.

[Terruana]

The poll is, unfortunately, limited by a ten-item checklist. I would like to invite discussion of these various devices; which of them are immoral, and why; which are creepy, and why; and which of them are pathetic, and why. I would like it if you clarified which are which, but there's no reason to be explicit about how you or someone else uses them - this is a PG-13 forum. I'm interested in your huffy judgements, moral uproar, and derision; the policies you would like to make respecting these devices; et cetera. Your political opinions, in other words, not sex tips.

Do you find the use of these things empowering? Their manufacture degrading? If you hold substantially different opinions about different items on the list, I'd like to know why you distinguish them.

Before anyone asks, no, I don't own any sex toys, and this isn't about my sex life or about me, personally. Minds out of the gutter, folks. I'm interested in seeing if people fulfill my expectations in how they perceive human sexuality and the objects which people use to achieve one or another sort of satisfaction that is traditionally supposed to follow from being in a happy romance.

You might believe some of these items overlap; I've separated "realistic sex dolls," by which I mean RealDolls and the like, from inflatable sex dolls with the idea that people will want to distinguish between them. If your opinion is unbroken across the category lines, just check [or don't check, as the case may be] both categories, please; if it's more complicated within a category, please flip a coin to decide whether or not to check that box, and then please do elucidate.

I wouldn't consider any to be immoral, but I find the idea of sex dolls/pillow boy/girlfriends to be a little bit creepy/pathetic. Not sure why entirely. Probably because I see the others as just trying to satisfy certain biological urges, whilst I see these as trying to create an artificial partner, which would imply an emotional component.

[Benutanairan]

The only good use for a blow up doll is so I can get on the faster lane when going through D.C {The worst city to ever exist} to get up North.

[Tahar Joblis]

I'd like to make some comments about what has and has not surprised me, now that we have enough answers that some stable patterns seem to be visible.

First, I'm surprised pornography hasn't gotten more votes. We certainly have, out in the real world, lots of people making objections to pornography on various grounds.

Second, I'm surprised there's no real distinction visible in the poll - or even people's posts - between RealDolls, blow-ups, and pillow girlfriend/boyfriends. Everybody seems to be saying the same thing about the group of them. I know at one point the "realistic sex doll" was a vote ahead, so there are a couple people somewhere that distinguish between them, but I haven't heard from them.

Third, I am not surprised to find that a plastic penis is considered way less negatively than a plastic vagina.

[Raeyh]

Sexuality isn't the same as affection. These are substitutes for sex. It also is a good thing considering that people often misuse/don't use birth control. You can't spread diseases or have an unexpected pregnancy from watching porn.

[Ashmoria]

i find dildos, vibrators, fake vaginas fine as long as they are not made to look like "the real thing" . the dildos made from casts of actual erect penises are creepy. fake vaginas, sex dolls, whatever, that are made to look like "real women" or real woman parts are creepy. something to stick ones penis into are just sex toys as long as they dont pretend to be human.

erotic fiction and porn videos are OK. leaving out any moral considerations that are sometimes present in sex videos. its just something to ignite your sexual imagination.

[Chinese Regions]

Who cares what other people do in their spare time?

This

[Neo Art]

You have a rather interesting definition of the term "affection"