Catholic church to close hospitals rather than provide BC

[Ifreann]

Why should religious organisations get a free pass when it comes to meeting their obligations as employers? They aren't exempt from minimum wage laws or health and safety laws or any other regulation.

Gods, don't give them ideas!

[Orcoa]

If I read the article correctly we are now sticking it to everyone equally.

That was my point about how they aren't arguing for any lofty moral goals, saying it has been at least a while since I read the bible or taken one of the twenty different religion classes I have taken in my life but I am sure Jesus spoke about serving the poor. And if the Church wants to abandon this mission and go against the teaching of "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities"(Romans 13:1-7) only because they want to deny their female employee's full control over their earnings, then it is obvious that the Church no longer follows the Bible or Christian Dogma.

When in the Eight Pits of hell did The Catholic Church ever follow the bible or Christian Dogma? They are not a Church anymore, they are a government that wishes to undermind the values that are mostly commonly held by other christians for the benefit of their own power and greed

As a Christian, I'm sicken that this Church is still around and uses it powers instead of doing good for the greater good of all and just to benefit themselves

[Tekania]

I dug a bit, as Huff Post and a few other credible sources had run the same story, and found it all traced back to an article written for a Catholic newspaper by Cardinal George of Chicago. He isn't speaking as an official spokesman for the Catholic Church, just expressing an opinion as to what will have to happen if the mandate goes through as is, but it still deals in the same absurd, black-and-white reasoning that characterizes this whole debate.

thanks for finding that!

the cardinal writes as if the government never modified its decision.

Well of course ... if he acknowledged the change then his threats to attempt to assert his control and lordship wouldn't be as effective.

[Farnhamia]

thanks for finding that!

the cardinal writes as if the government never modified its decision.

Well of course not.... if he did that then his threats to attempt to assert his control and lordship wouldn't be as effective.

"THEY'RE THREATENING OUR FREEDOM OF RELIGION!" sounds so much better than "THEY'RE THREATENING OUR ability to deny our employees the FREEDOM to choose health care options for themselves ... uhm ... THEY MADE BABY JESUS CRY! AND THE POPE SAYS WE CAN'T USE BIRTH CONTROL, SO THERE."

[Ashmoria]

Why should religious organisations get a free pass when it comes to meeting their obligations as employers? They aren't exempt from minimum wage laws or health and safety laws or any other regulation.

and what other exemptions should other employers get? if they are christian scientists should they get to limit insurance to their faith healers? if they are jehova's witnesses should they get to ban blood transfusions?

[Northern Dominus]

Well of course not.... if he did that then his threats to attempt to assert his control and lordship wouldn't be as effective.

"THEY'RE THREATENING OUR FREEDOM OF RELIGION!" sounds so much better than "THEY'RE THREATENING OUR ability to deny our employees the FREEDOM to choose health care options for themselves ... uhm ... THEY MADE BABY JESUS CRY! AND THE POPE SAYS WE CAN'T USE BIRTH CONTROL, SO THERE."

Exactly. It's nothing more than a smoke screen. Nobody is saying they can't go to Mass, wear a crucifix, or shame women for having premarital sex or having an abortion after being raped, just that they have to...gasp... comply with federal healthcare mandates.

[Ashmoria]

That was my point about how they aren't arguing for any lofty moral goals, saying it has been at least a while since I read the bible or taken one of the twenty different religion classes I have taken in my life but I am sure Jesus spoke about serving the poor. And if the Church wants to abandon this mission and go against the teaching of "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities"(Romans 13:1-7) only because they want to deny their female employee's full control over their earnings, then it is obvious that the Church no longer follows the Bible or Christian Dogma.

When in the Eight Pits of hell did The Catholic Church ever follow the bible or Christian Dogma? They are not a Church anymore, they are a government that wishes to undermind the values that are mostly commonly held by other christians for the benefit of their own power and greed

As a Christian, I'm sicken that this Church is still around and uses it powers instead of doing good for the greater good of all and just to benefit themselves

the catholic church made the bible and created christian dogma. they have been doing it for 2000 years. the catholic church has over 1billion members. their values ARE the most commonly held christian values

[Free foundation]

Fuck stupid people.

Why is American politics dominated by paranoia and delusional thinking? Is it like this elsewhere in the world?

One of our prominent political figures is currently on the run from the Indian intelligence agency (R.A.W), because he thinks that they are after him. In the meanwhile, he is begging to be made our ambassador to London. Through Twitter.

Less said, the better.

really ?? Is RAW so efficient as to chase American Politicians? Now i should feel a little proud.

[Ifreann]

One of our prominent political figures is currently on the run from the Indian intelligence agency (R.A.W), because he thinks that they are after him. In the meanwhile, he is begging to be made our ambassador to London. Through Twitter.

Less said, the better.

really ?? Is RAW so efficient as to chase American Politicians? Now i should feel a little proud.

Not American, Maldivian. And they guy sounds a bit on the insane side.

[Ethel mermania]

Why should religious organisations get a free pass when it comes to meeting their obligations as employers? They aren't exempt from minimum wage laws or health and safety laws or any other regulation.

and what other exemptions should other employers get? if they are christian scientists should they get to limit insurance to their faith healers? if they are jehova's witnesses should they get to ban blood transfusions?

This is about paying for stuff not banning it. There is a difference.

And yes I think in the US, because of the first admendment, the witnesses should not have to pay for blood transfusions for their employees.

[Tekania]

"THEY'RE THREATENING OUR FREEDOM OF RELIGION!" sounds so much better than "THEY'RE THREATENING OUR ability to deny our employees the FREEDOM to choose health care options for themselves ... uhm ... THEY MADE BABY JESUS CRY! AND THE POPE SAYS WE CAN'T USE BIRTH CONTROL, SO THERE."

Of course.... and then by ignoring the offered compromises from the other side they can paint the liberals as unreasonable jerks.

Yes... and if only these people felt half the same way about the sin of bearing false witness as they do abortion.

[Free foundation]

really ?? Is RAW so efficient as to chase American Politicians? Now i should feel a little proud.

Not American, Maldivian. And they guy sounds a bit on the insane side.

oh sorry. i jumped to conclusions even before reading rest of his posts. my bad

[Desperate Measures]

and what other exemptions should other employers get? if they are christian scientists should they get to limit insurance to their faith healers? if they are jehova's witnesses should they get to ban blood transfusions?

This is about paying for stuff not banning it. There is a difference.

And yes I think in the US, because of the first admendment, the witnesses should not have to pay for blood transfusions for their employees.

Maybe I should go over my medical history with my employer and decide with them instead of my doctor how best (and cheapest) I can be treated.

[Orcoa]

When in the Eight Pits of hell did The Catholic Church ever follow the bible or Christian Dogma? They are not a Church anymore, they are a government that wishes to undermind the values that are mostly commonly held by other christians for the benefit of their own power and greed

As a Christian, I'm sicken that this Church is still around and uses it powers instead of doing good for the greater good of all and just to benefit themselves

the catholic church made the bible and created christian dogma. they have been doing it for 2000 years. the catholic church has over 1billion members. their values ARE the most commonly held christian values

Sure, They did make Christian Dogma because of politic reason but lets go get into that and no their values are not the values all christians hold to. Grouping people in one group I see? I thought you atheists were better then that

All kidding aside, they are doing something very wrong in letting their hospitals fail instead of providing BC

[Ashmoria]

and what other exemptions should other employers get? if they are christian scientists should they get to limit insurance to their faith healers? if they are jehova's witnesses should they get to ban blood transfusions?

This is about paying for stuff not banning it. There is a difference.

And yes I think in the US, because of the first admendment, the witnesses should not have to pay for blood transfusions for their employees.

luckily the first ammendment doesnt mean that employers get to dictate their employees health insurance coverage.

[Tekania]

"THEY'RE THREATENING OUR FREEDOM OF RELIGION!" sounds so much better than "THEY'RE THREATENING OUR ability to deny our employees the FREEDOM to choose health care options for themselves ... uhm ... THEY MADE BABY JESUS CRY! AND THE POPE SAYS WE CAN'T USE BIRTH CONTROL, SO THERE."

Exactly. It's nothing more than a smoke screen. Nobody is saying they can't go to Mass, wear a crucifix, or shame women for having premarital sex or having an abortion after being raped, just that they have to...gasp... comply with federal healthcare mandates.

Actually, "they" don't even have to comply with anything. The mandate compromise isn't even about them at this point. They are free not to cover it explicitly... the mandate just means their employees/students will have access to it anyway through the insurance. They're upset that their students/employees will be able to get this stuff, anyway, against these institutions will and outside of these institutions control.

[Ashmoria]

the catholic church made the bible and created christian dogma. they have been doing it for 2000 years. the catholic church has over 1billion members. their values ARE the most commonly held christian values

Sure, They did make Christian Dogma because of politic reason but lets go get into that and no their values are not the values all christians hold to. Grouping people in one group I see? I thought you atheists were better then that

All kidding aside, they are doing something very wrong in letting their hospitals fail instead of providing BC

i dont think they will

and if they do, i dont think there is anything the government should do about it. they gave the catholic church an out and if they dont take it that is their decision.

[Orcoa]

Sure, They did make Christian Dogma because of politic reason but lets go get into that and no their values are not the values all christians hold to. Grouping people in one group I see? I thought you atheists were better then that

All kidding aside, they are doing something very wrong in letting their hospitals fail instead of providing BC

i dont think they will

and if they do, i dont think there is anything the government should do about it. they gave the catholic church an out and if they dont take it that is their decision.

Eh I guess your right, let them dig their own graves. It's still wrong though

[Ifreann]

and what other exemptions should other employers get? if they are christian scientists should they get to limit insurance to their faith healers? if they are jehova's witnesses should they get to ban blood transfusions?

This is about paying for stuff not banning it. There is a difference.

And yes I think in the US, because of the first admendment, the witnesses should not have to pay for blood transfusions for their employees.

Creating special exemptions to the law for religious employers is wholly contrary to your First Amendment.

[Ethel mermania]

This is about paying for stuff not banning it. There is a difference.

And yes I think in the US, because of the first admendment, the witnesses should not have to pay for blood transfusions for their employees.

Creating special exemptions to the law for religious employers is wholly contrary to your First Amendment.

no, it is not. If it were, the catholic church would have to allow female priests.

[Ifreann]

Creating special exemptions to the law for religious employers is wholly contrary to your First Amendment.

no, it is not. If it were, the catholic church would have to allow female priests.

Just like how the NFL have to let women on their men's teams. That's the law in the US, ayup.

[Ethel mermania]

This is about paying for stuff not banning it. There is a difference.

And yes I think in the US, because of the first admendment, the witnesses should not have to pay for blood transfusions for their employees.

Maybe I should go over my medical history with my employer and decide with them instead of my doctor how best (and cheapest) I can be treated.

Birth control is always cheaper than child care, Since the employer pays the greater portion of health insurance costs, this postition costs them money. In this instance the church is putting their money where their mouth is.

As an aside with obamacare what you suggested, substituting govermenment for employer, is coming.

[Greed and Death]

Why should religious organisations get a free pass when it comes to meeting their obligations as employers? They aren't exempt from minimum wage laws or health and safety laws or any other regulation.

Because the other option is they close shop, and that is more damaging then giving them an exemption.

[Greed and Death]

Why should religious organisations get a free pass when it comes to meeting their obligations as employers? They aren't exempt from minimum wage laws or health and safety laws or any other regulation.

and what other exemptions should other employers get? if they are christian scientists should they get to limit insurance to their faith healers? if they are jehova's witnesses should they get to ban blood transfusions?

How many Christian science ran chairties are there and how many Jehovas witness ran charities are there?

[Ashmoria]

Creating special exemptions to the law for religious employers is wholly contrary to your First Amendment.

no, it is not. If it were, the catholic church would have to allow female priests.

nope

thats religion. religion is free to operate how it will.

catholic hospitals are a business that employ and treat people regardless of religion. they have to obey the law.