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Postby Valkmar » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:38 pm

Women Serving in the Armed Forces? Do you think women should serve in the armed forces? I personally think not, they are generally weak and would just get raped by enemy troops.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:39 pm

The real rape risk is from their own side not the enemy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/ ... s-military
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Postby Mirkana » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:39 pm

I say let them, if they can meet the same standards as the men. As for rape, well, perhaps they should be allowed to opt out of serving in combat units.
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Postby Galla- » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:44 pm

Mirkana wrote:I say let them, if they can meet the same standards as the men. As for rape, well, perhaps they should be allowed to opt out of serving in combat units.


Combat service is generally "opt in" anyways, considering the vast plethora of jobs available (the vast majority) that aren't combat.

Excluding women from the ability to serve in a combat unit is sexism period.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:47 pm

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Mirkana wrote:I say let them, if they can meet the same standards as the men. As for rape, well, perhaps they should be allowed to opt out of serving in combat units.


Combat service is generally "opt in" anyways, considering the vast plethora of jobs available (the vast majority) that aren't combat.

Excluding women from the ability to serve in a combat unit is sexism period.


Combat jobs are opt in Combat service is not.
A great many non combat jobs found themselves in combat during the Iraq war due to ambushes and the like, the job only lessens chance of combat.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:48 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:The real rape risk is from their own side not the enemy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/ ... s-military

Which is why men shouldn't serve in the armed forces.
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Postby Fluffy Coyotes » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:50 pm

Don't men and women serve in separate units? IIRC the rape risk is part of why other things like washrooms are sex-segregated anyway.

Anyway, differences in physical strength should be next-to-irrelevant provided it's judged on a per-individual basis, and it's becoming increasingly obsolete with improvements in technology anyway. Whatever reasons there are to keep women out of the armed forces, they would have to do with psychological differences, not physical ones... and even then, it depends on what differences we are talking about. Intuitively, I'm inclined to think that many of these differences could be addressed without keeping women out of the armed forces.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:53 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:The real rape risk is from their own side not the enemy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/ ... s-military

Which is why men shouldn't serve in the armed forces.


Yup. Clearly can't be trusted due to their psychological differences.
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Postby Tekania » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:53 pm

I have no issue with women in the armed forces.... women are just as suited as men for most modern military tasks.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:55 pm

Tekania wrote:I have no issue with women in the armed forces.... women are just as suited as men for most modern military tasks.


This. And that's about all I'm going to say.

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Postby LiangLai » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Of course they should be able to. Sexism is outdated... If they can perform just as well in the field as men, nothing should prevent them from being involved.
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Postby New Acardia » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:00 pm

[quote="Mirkana";p="8602667"]I say let them, if they can meet the same standards as the men.This :clap:
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Postby Hallistar » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:01 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:The real rape risk is from their own side not the enemy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/ ... s-military

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Postby Phalnia » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:03 pm

Installation-05 wrote:Women do serve in our military. They are seen on both the Reds, Blues, and Freelancers side.

(Theres already a thread about this.)


I think you confused General with F&NI.

Anyway I think they should be allowed to serve if they so choose.

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Postby Isle Tortaka » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:03 pm

Females in the military has been happening for along time now. I don't think they should be allowed in combat arms type jobs however. Men react differently to a female being injured then a man. It's sort of our instinct. I don't have a link but Israel have done many studies.

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Postby Oceanic people » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:06 pm

In the Republic they are expected to serve in the same manner and proportion as men! They benefit equally from their citizenship and are expected to serve equally for it. Any other point of view is morally and ethically corrupt promoting inequity between the sexes and outdated stereotypes.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:13 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Which is why men shouldn't serve in the armed forces.


Yup. Clearly can't be trusted due to their psychological differences.

We'll get them to work in the munitions factories while the women are out defending freedom.
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Postby Awesome Break-Away of 250land » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:15 pm

I was having the same conversation with my friend and in the end decided that woman are better at long range things such as spipering (see russian women of WWII) and men tend to deal with close combat better.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:17 pm

I don't mind the idea, better than getting drafted, although more and more, that seems like it'd be a fun adventure (as naive as I know that sounds).
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:21 pm

Isle Tortaka wrote:Females in the military has been happening for along time now. I don't think they should be allowed in combat arms type jobs however. Men react differently to a female being injured then a man. It's sort of our instinct. I don't have a link but Israel have done many studies.


The purpose of the military is to destroy such instinct. If the men can't treat the women as comrades in arms then they shouldn't be in the military. They lack the discipline necessary. Also, there are plenty of examples where men definitely do not try and rescue the woman.= but instead try and save themselves. More than that due to the nature of the Iraq and Afghanistan war, women soldiers are facing combat.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:44 pm

Valkmar wrote:Women Serving in the Armed Forces? Do you think women should serve in the armed forces? I personally think not, they are generally weak and would just get raped by enemy troops.

The question is not whether women ought to have the right to die in war. They already can and do die in war.

The question is whether women ought to have the right to fire back.
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Postby Maurepas » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:46 pm

I say if they pass the same physical trials as the males, I don't see the problem. Hell, Boudica did it.

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Postby Imsogone » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:49 pm

My mother was in the Navy during WWII. My Aunt was in the Army at the same time. My daughter is in the Air Force. Yeah, women should be in the military if that's what they want and what they're suited for.
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Postby Delanshar » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:54 pm

Yes, but they should be assigned to different roles.
Frontline infantry should be male, but females could do other things like fly warplanes, Military Police or serve on naval vessels.
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