The Most Hideous Betrayer

[Schwabenreich]

How the hell are Wilhelm II and Bismarck even candidates for most hideous betrayer. Their appearance was very dignified, and while I won't say they were entirely honest they certainly weren't craven betrayers.

Wilhelm had a dodgy arm.

Most hideous betrayer? Helen Clark, she would've betrayed someone... somewhere.

Shes a politician, she probably already did. Also I hardly think dodgy arm makes Wilhelm II hideous..

[Forsher]

Wilhelm had a dodgy arm.

Most hideous betrayer? Helen Clark, she would've betrayed someone... somewhere.

Shes a politician, she probably already did. Also I hardly think dodgy arm makes Wilhelm II hideous..

Depends on how much you care about arms I suppose.

[Bookburnia]

2) Even if we were to accept the accuracy of the New Testament, Judas' so-called betrayal was all part of "God's Plan" for Jesus Christ to die upon the cross. If Judas had not given the information that was necessary, there would not have been the crucifixion. No crucifixion, no salvation. No salvation, "God's Plan" is naught.

You mean Judah had no choice?

[Schwabenreich]

Shes a politician, she probably already did. Also I hardly think dodgy arm makes Wilhelm II hideous..

Depends on how much you care about arms I suppose.

I guess thats a point.

[Forsher]

Depends on how much you care about arms I suppose.

I guess thats a point.

Which is why gun nuts don't venerate him.

[Schwabenreich]

I guess thats a point.

Which is why gun nuts don't venerate him.

I like puns.

[Thatchland]

2) Even if we were to accept the accuracy of the New Testament, Judas' so-called betrayal was all part of "God's Plan" for Jesus Christ to die upon the cross. If Judas had not given the information that was necessary, there would not have been the crucifixion. No crucifixion, no salvation. No salvation, "God's Plan" is naught.

You mean Judah had no choice?

No. What I'm saying is - it cannot be a betrayal if it is part of the entire process to complete the plan. What would have been a betrayal, to Jesus and "God's plan", if Judas had not been an informant. Then a new person would have had to be persuaded to do the task for the plan to come to fruition.

[Lackadaisical2]

You mean Judah had no choice?

No. What I'm saying is - it cannot be a betrayal if it is part of the entire process to complete the plan. What would have been a betrayal, to Jesus and "God's plan", if Judas had not been an informant. Then a new person would have had to be persuaded to do the task for the plan to come to fruition.

Or the authorities could just wait until Jesus's next sermon or whatever.

[Bookburnia]

No. What I'm saying is - it cannot be a betrayal if it is part of the entire process to complete the plan. What would have been a betrayal, to Jesus and "God's plan", if Judas had not been an informant. Then a new person would have had to be persuaded to do the task for the plan to come to fruition.

An interesting version. But nobody forced him to be an informant.

[Genivaria]

No. What I'm saying is - it cannot be a betrayal if it is part of the entire process to complete the plan. What would have been a betrayal, to Jesus and "God's plan", if Judas had not been an informant. Then a new person would have had to be persuaded to do the task for the plan to come to fruition.

An interesting version. But nobody forced him to be an informant.

God's name is now Nobody.

[Lackadaisical2]

An interesting version. But nobody forced him to be an informant.

God's name is now Nobody.

Depends whether you believe in free will or not I suppose.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Honestly Brutus should be seen as a hero for killing Caesar, he assassinated the man that destroyed the Republic.

[Sabara]

Holy mackerel people, Judah betrayed the Lord our Savior.

[Lackadaisical2]

Holy mackerel people, Judah betrayed the Lord our Savior.

Many (most?) Generalites are atheists bro.

[New Sapienta]

Holy mackerel people, Judah betrayed the Lord our Savior.

Except you know, the Bible ain't true.

[Astrolinium]

Holy mackerel people, Judah betrayed the Lord our Savior.

Alternately, he just turned in some upstart rabbi who was inciting rebellion against Roman mores.

[Bookburnia]

God's name is now Nobody.

You mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2oZWpqt ... re=related

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

Frankly, I find this rash of trying to quantify "the blankest person ever" a bit disconcerting.

Every traitor is the worst traitor to the world to those who were betrayed by them, and all these people are dead and we can't know what they were thinking when they did it, so we have no idea of whether they were justified or not. It's not fair to judge someone without the capacity for them to defend themselves on the matter.

[Tagmatium]

Honestly Brutus should be seen as a hero for killing Caesar, he assassinated the man that destroyed the Republic.

What I do like is the interpretation that Caesar's last words weren't a question, but a threat.

[Sabara]

Frankly, I find this rash of trying to quantify "the blankest person ever" a bit disconcerting.

Every traitor is the worst traitor to the world to those who were betrayed by them, and all these people are dead and we can't know what they were thinking when they did it, so we have no idea of whether they were justified or not. It's not fair to judge someone without the capacity for them to defend themselves on the matter.

^This.

[Idaho Conservatives]

Frankly, I find this rash of trying to quantify "the blankest person ever" a bit disconcerting.

It's just a fad, like the "can X country vs Y country: who will win?" we had a month or two ago.

[New Sapienta]

Honestly Brutus should be seen as a hero for killing Caesar, he assassinated the man that destroyed the Republic.

What I do like is the interpretation that Caesar's last words weren't a question, but a threat.

Not to mentions the "Republic" was corrupt as hell.


Not to mention, it is undetermined whether or not Caesar would return power. So they may have killed an innocent man.

[Astrolinium]

Honestly Brutus should be seen as a hero for killing Caesar, he assassinated the man that destroyed the Republic.

What I do like is the interpretation that Caesar's last words weren't a question, but a threat.

Caesar was a Magnificent Bastard.

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

What I do like is the interpretation that Caesar's last words weren't a question, but a threat.

Not to mentions the "Republic" was corrupt as hell.


Not to mention, it is undetermined whether or not Caesar would return power. So they may have killed an innocent man.

Considering the Roman people got a lot nicer than the general subhuman cruelty common to the Republic era, I'd say Caesar improved the place.

[Tagmatium]

What I do like is the interpretation that Caesar's last words weren't a question, but a threat.

Caesar was a Magnificent Bastard.

I read too much Asterix in my youth. I cannot shake that version of Caesar.