Is Religion A Mental Illness?

[The Cummunist State]

Yes. Jesus was disproved before he existed. By Epicurus (341–270 B.C.), Greek philosopher. Famous for this quote:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
The quote pretty much logically disproves a God that is considered all Loving.

That doesn't disprove a thing. It's like how "I think therefore I am" didn't disprove solipsism.

How so? It's perfectly logical.

[Xsyne]

Yes, Jesus was disproven before Jesus existed.

Do you even read your posts?

By the way, "Yahweh Sabaoth" has never been used to refer to any god period, much less the god of the ancient Hebrews. (The origins of whom are inconclusive, but it certainly wasn't any deity from Babylonia. It was also probably a storm god, not a war god, although recently the suggestion that YHVH was originally a serpent god, or even a serpent goddess has come up.)

Yes. Jesus was disproved before he existed. By Epicurus (341–270 B.C.), Greek philosopher. Famous for this quote:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
The quote pretty much logically disproves a God that is considered all Loving.

Ah, the Problem From Evil. Baby's First Atheism. It's a pretty terrible argument, hinging on two things: humanity having the correct understanding of evil, and God having a moral obligation towards its creations.

Also, that's an argument against an omnipotent and omnibenevolent god, not Jesus.

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

That doesn't disprove a thing. It's like how "I think therefore I am" didn't disprove solipsism.

How so? It's perfectly logical.

Because it's too narrow a context and can easily be worked around with the argument that God respects Free Will, evil acts being resultant from being allowed to do as we will on the Earth and receiving our just desserts after death.

[The Cummunist State]

Yes. Jesus was disproved before he existed. By Epicurus (341–270 B.C.), Greek philosopher. Famous for this quote:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
The quote pretty much logically disproves a God that is considered all Loving.

Ah, the Problem From Evil. Baby's First Atheism. It's a pretty terrible argument, hinging on two things: humanity having the correct understanding of evil, and God having a moral obligation towards its creations.

Also, that's an argument against an omnipotent and omnibenevolent god, not Jesus.

Humans know what evil is. Evil is causing suffering. That is the word. We made it with our own minds and hands. Also, Jesus is not loving? Yahweh is not omnipotent or loving? You might want to explain what exactly you believe then. I assumed it was the normal.

[The Cummunist State]

How so? It's perfectly logical.

Because it's too narrow a context and can easily be worked around with the argument that God respects Free Will, evil acts being resultant from being allowed to do as we will on the Earth and receiving our just desserts after death.

We didn't "free will" the black plague. We didn't Free Will hurricanes. We didn't Free Will droughts. And hell is a horribly unjust punishment.

[Nornalhorst]

Yes, Jesus was disproven before Jesus existed.

Do you even read your posts?

By the way, "Yahweh Sabaoth" has never been used to refer to any god period, much less the god of the ancient Hebrews. (The origins of whom are inconclusive, but it certainly wasn't any deity from Babylonia. It was also probably a storm god, not a war god, although recently the suggestion that YHVH was originally a serpent god, or even a serpent goddess has come up.)

Yes. Jesus was disproved before he existed. By Epicurus (341–270 B.C.), Greek philosopher. Famous for this quote:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
The quote pretty much logically disproves a God that is considered all Loving.

There is no indication in the Bible that God can't stop evil, even Satan himself is absolutely powerless compared to God.

Why does God have to prevent evil and make sure everyone lives on a perfect planet with perfect people? Maybe he has a different purpose in mind for mankind have you considered that? As for the existence of evil God gaves us free will apparently he didn't want or need perfect machine servants both humans and angels are given free will to decide to serve him or not, and evil is the natural result of beings with free will abusing their free will.

[Ende]

Because it's too narrow a context and can easily be worked around with the argument that God respects Free Will, evil acts being resultant from being allowed to do as we will on the Earth and receiving our just desserts after death.

We didn't "free will" the black plague. We didn't Free Will hurricanes. We didn't Free Will droughts. And hell is a horribly unjust punishment.

Believe it or not, Hell was mostly fabricated by the Catholic Church, which, back in the Medieval Ages, was just a political office using religion for power.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Because it's too narrow a context and can easily be worked around with the argument that God respects Free Will, evil acts being resultant from being allowed to do as we will on the Earth and receiving our just desserts after death.

We didn't "free will" the black plague. We didn't Free Will hurricanes. We didn't Free Will droughts. And hell is a horribly unjust punishment.

Just out of curiosity, and it wouldn't be a basis to invalidate your points, nor deride you, if true...

But I'm assuming you're in high school, and that you were a religious person at one point?

[The Cummunist State]

Yes. Jesus was disproved before he existed. By Epicurus (341–270 B.C.), Greek philosopher. Famous for this quote:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
The quote pretty much logically disproves a God that is considered all Loving.

There is no indication in the Bible that God can't stop evil, even Satan himself is absolutely powerless compared to God.

Why does God have to prevent evil and make sure everyone lives on a perfect planet with perfect people? Maybe he has a different purpose in mind for mankind have you considered that? As for the existence of evil God gaves us free will apparently he didn't want or need perfect machine servants both humans and angels are given free will to decide to serve him or not, and evil is the natural result of beings with free will abusing their free will.

"apparently he didn't want or need perfect machine servants"
Then why does he threaten to burn you forever if you aren't a perfect machine servant? If God exists, he is not loving.

[The Cummunist State]

We didn't "free will" the black plague. We didn't Free Will hurricanes. We didn't Free Will droughts. And hell is a horribly unjust punishment.

Just out of curiosity, and it wouldn't be a basis to invalidate your points, nor deride you, if true...

But I'm assuming you're in high school, and that you were a religious person at one point?

I'm 20 and I've always been a Atheist, actually! Not a very common answer, I guess, but that's how it happened. I was far more interested in the wonders of Science than religion as a child. I only figured out how right I was later.

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

There is no indication in the Bible that God can't stop evil, even Satan himself is absolutely powerless compared to God.

Why does God have to prevent evil and make sure everyone lives on a perfect planet with perfect people? Maybe he has a different purpose in mind for mankind have you considered that? As for the existence of evil God gaves us free will apparently he didn't want or need perfect machine servants both humans and angels are given free will to decide to serve him or not, and evil is the natural result of beings with free will abusing their free will.

"apparently he didn't want or need perfect machine servants"
Then why does he threaten to burn you forever if you aren't a perfect machine servant? If God exists, he is not loving.

Hell is merely complete separation from God, which is torture in and of itself, apparently. I wouldn't know. I even read in my Catholic school textbook that if you were a sufficiently self-deluding jerk, you could actually like Hell.

[Giovenith]

No, beliving in God (or gods) isn't.
However, running around saying you're Jesus is.

What if your legal name on your birth certificate is "Jesus"?

[Xsyne]

Ah, the Problem From Evil. Baby's First Atheism. It's a pretty terrible argument, hinging on two things: humanity having the correct understanding of evil, and God having a moral obligation towards its creations.

Also, that's an argument against an omnipotent and omnibenevolent god, not Jesus.

Humans know what evil is. Evil is causing suffering. That is the word. We made it with our own minds and hands. Also, Jesus is not loving? Yahweh is not omnipotent or loving? You might want to explain what exactly you believe then. I assumed it was the normal.

Judges 1:19 suggests that YHVH was not considered omnipotent, and even a cursory reading of the text would demonstrate that YHVH was not considered even remotely omnibenevolent. I'm not particularly familiar with the New Testament, but I believe there are several passages that put the kibosh to Jesus being omnibenevolent.

As to what I believe? I believe many things. I believe in nothing.

[The Cummunist State]

"apparently he didn't want or need perfect machine servants"
Then why does he threaten to burn you forever if you aren't a perfect machine servant? If God exists, he is not loving.

Hell is merely complete separation from God, which is torture in and of itself, apparently. I wouldn't know. I even read in my Catholic school textbook that if you were a sufficiently self-deluding jerk, you could actually like Hell.

Separation from that mass-murdering lunatic and all other Christians/Jews/Muslims would be heaven to anyone with a mind.

[The Cummunist State]

Humans know what evil is. Evil is causing suffering. That is the word. We made it with our own minds and hands. Also, Jesus is not loving? Yahweh is not omnipotent or loving? You might want to explain what exactly you believe then. I assumed it was the normal.

Judges 1:19 suggests that YHVH was not considered omnipotent, and even a cursory reading of the text would demonstrate that YHVH was not considered even remotely omnibenevolent. I'm not particularly familiar with the New Testament, but I believe there are several passages that put the kibosh to Jesus being omnibenevolent.

As to what I believe? I believe many things. I believe in nothing.

Many things yet nothing? Then we have nothing to discuss.

[Arghos]

No, it isn't. Holding an irrational belief does not make you mentally ill.

This person. He spake the truth.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Yes. Jesus was disproved before he existed. By Epicurus (341–270 B.C.), Greek philosopher. Famous for this quote:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
The quote pretty much logically disproves a God that is considered all Loving.

There is no indication in the Bible that God can't stop evil, even Satan himself is absolutely powerless compared to God.

Why does God have to prevent evil and make sure everyone lives on a perfect planet with perfect people? Maybe he has a different purpose in mind for mankind have you considered that? As for the existence of evil God gaves us free will apparently he didn't want or need perfect machine servants both humans and angels are given free will to decide to serve him or not, and evil is the natural result of beings with free will abusing their free will.

So, someone who is abused by their parents and trained to abuse or kill others and knows nothing else chooses to kill by carefully weighing the options?

[Nornalhorst]

Humans know what evil is. Evil is causing suffering. That is the word. We made it with our own minds and hands. Also, Jesus is not loving? Yahweh is not omnipotent or loving? You might want to explain what exactly you believe then. I assumed it was the normal.

Judges 1:19 suggests that YHVH was not considered omnipotent, and even a cursory reading of the text would demonstrate that YHVH was not considered even remotely omnibenevolent. I'm not particularly familiar with the New Testament, but I believe there are several passages that put the kibosh to Jesus being omnibenevolent.

As to what I believe? I believe many things. I believe in nothing.

Iron chariots we meet again.

I need to just write a book and save it on my computer and call it answers for atheists and skeptics and just refer everyone to it.

Anyway, that passage of scripture means that the Lord had already given the men of Judah favor to take the land, but they were unable to take it because of their own short comings and fears and doubts. There's nothing indicating that God himself was incapable of killing men in iron chariots, and if this was the case it would go against everything in the Bible.

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

Hell is merely complete separation from God, which is torture in and of itself, apparently. I wouldn't know. I even read in my Catholic school textbook that if you were a sufficiently self-deluding jerk, you could actually like Hell.

Separation from that mass-murdering lunatic and all other Christians/Jews/Muslims would be heaven to anyone with a mind.

Good to know I don't have a mind.

[Xsyne]

Judges 1:19 suggests that YHVH was not considered omnipotent, and even a cursory reading of the text would demonstrate that YHVH was not considered even remotely omnibenevolent. I'm not particularly familiar with the New Testament, but I believe there are several passages that put the kibosh to Jesus being omnibenevolent.

As to what I believe? I believe many things. I believe in nothing.

Many things yet nothing? Then we have nothing to discuss.

I do not believe nothing. I believe in nothing. There's a key difference there.

Since you don't appear to get it, I'm an atheist. Normally I'd call myself an antitheist, but apparently that word is no longer a synonym for "explicit atheist". I rather liked the word, but such is life.

[Daarlexon]

no.

its too common to be an illness.

So is the common cold.

[New Kesheru]

Arg see what you have done OP . You are officially a HUGE BIGGOT.

[Furious Grandmothers]

Hell is merely complete separation from God, which is torture in and of itself, apparently. I wouldn't know. I even read in my Catholic school textbook that if you were a sufficiently self-deluding jerk, you could actually like Hell.

Separation from that mass-murdering lunatic and all other Christians/Jews/Muslims would be heaven to anyone with a mind.

Ah, I much prefer hell to heaven as well, and I inform any proselytizer who approaches me of this.

[Orcoa]

Can we let this fucking topic die? Seriously, this is getting kinda annoying

[The Cummunist State]

Separation from that mass-murdering lunatic and all other Christians/Jews/Muslims would be heaven to anyone with a mind.

Ah, I much prefer hell to heaven as well, and I inform any proselytizer who approaches me of this.

I'll see all of you in hell, Grandmothers.