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by Threlizdun » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:14 pm
by Motuka » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:33 pm
Page wrote:Jormengand wrote:*not true*
Thank you. Now you've finished pulling rubbish out of a hat, can we continue?
No I must admit, much of the bi/gay community has ignored transgender people and what they go through. I used to be one of those people, who didn't think it was on equal level, who saw it as a psychological disorder. But I changed for the better, I understand now that transgender people do not have anything wrong in their head, they were just born into the wrong body.
I had to overcome the transphobia indoctrinated into me by a large part of society, and so do many people, including some in the gay community.
by Eggy216 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:47 pm
Page wrote:Jormengand wrote:*not true*
Thank you. Now you've finished pulling rubbish out of a hat, can we continue?
No I must admit, much of the bi/gay community has ignored transgender people and what they go through. I used to be one of those people, who didn't think it was on equal level, who saw it as a psychological disorder. But I changed for the better, I understand now that transgender people do not have anything wrong in their head, they were just born into the wrong body.
I had to overcome the transphobia indoctrinated into me by a large part of society, and so do many people, including some in the gay community.
by Bottle » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:54 pm
Eggy216 wrote: For example, my girlfriend is Genderqueer so she feels very strongly about transgender rights. But I just can't make sense of any of it - the different pronouns and things. Everything about it confuses me, and I just need someone to explain it to me well enough that it makes sense.
by Motuka » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:20 pm
Eggy216 wrote:For me, it's not transphobia. I just don't understand it apparently. For example, my girlfriend is Genderqueer so she feels very strongly about transgender rights. But I just can't make sense of any of it - the different pronouns and things. Everything about it confuses me, and I just need someone to explain it to me well enough that it makes sense.
by Eggy216 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:41 pm
by Bottle » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:49 pm
Eggy216 wrote:Haha the pronoun thing that confuses me is that if I refer to her using any female or male pronouns (such as I just did by using "her") she starts to cry and says I just don't understand. . .
by Grave_n_idle » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:57 pm
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:The first two groups have to do with sexual orientation while the latter is about gender identity, something quite different.
1.Why the two issues are put together?
by Motuka » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:00 pm
Eggy216 wrote:Haha :P the pronoun thing that confuses me is that if I refer to her using any female or male pronouns (such as I just did by using "her") she starts to cry and says I just don't understand. . .
by The Free Isle of Wight » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:31 am
by Keceas » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:11 am
by Zeborg » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:12 am
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:Hello there.
Recently I realised my bisexual identity and I want to pose some questions to the LGBT community.
I know you might find these questions stupid or annoying but bare with me
The coalition
The LGBT community includes homosexuals, bisexuals and transexuals.
The first two groups have to do with sexual orientation while the latter is about gender identity, something quite different.
1.Why the two issues are put together? I think there should be different organisations for trans people
Moreover, bisexuals are just as different from homosexuals as from heterosexuals
2.Why should bisexuals and gays belong to the same community and organisation?
Symbols
I know that bisexuals, gays and trans have their own flags.
3.What is the point of having flags.Heterosexuals don't have flags.Why should we have flags?
4.And if flags are needed for some reasons, the current flags were not democratically chosen in a contest but rather just 'prevailed'.So shouldn't there be a new contest with more choices?
Pride and parades
I believe that no person, straight or LGBT, should be neither proud nor ashamed of its sexual orientation or gender.It's just who they are
5. What is the purpose of pride parades? It seems to me that the pride parade is something like a carnival, giving the chance to straight people to make fun of LGBT people.
So? what do you think?
by Distruzio » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:44 am
Threlizdun wrote:The LGBTQP community includes so many different orientations and gender identifications due to a common bond of being persecuted for who we are. All of us are seen as taboo when compared to the religious morals many have been raised to believe in. As such, we must band together and reach out to as many as we can to get others to understand their is nothing unusual about us or our lifestyle. We show pride in what we are not because we believe our orientation is superior to heterosexuality, but because we are not ashamed to be something that has been condemned for so long.
by Forsher » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:08 am
by Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:10 am
Keceas wrote:I really think there are only three orientations, hetero, bi, and homo. Pansexuality and the like just seems to be the same damn thing as bisexuality with a different name. Just what the hell is genderqueer anyway?
by Imperiya » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:22 am
Avenio wrote:Oh no! You've uncovered our secret ambition to control the world and twirl our moustaches evilly! Quick, left-wing hivemind, to the underground lair, before the God-fearing, honest conservative American patriots righteously strike us down and institute an apple pie-and-baseball-scented utopia!
by Page » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:40 am
Keceas wrote:I really think there are only three orientations, hetero, bi, and homo. Pansexuality and the like just seems to be the same damn thing as bisexuality with a different name. Just what the hell is genderqueer anyway?
by Ertae » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:46 am
Ifreann wrote:Flaming Soul Forces wrote:Hello there.
Recently I realised my bisexual identity and I want to pose some questions to the LGBT community.
I know you might find these questions stupid or annoying but bare with me
The coalition
The LGBT community includes homosexuals, bisexuals and transexuals.
The first two groups have to do with sexual orientation while the latter is about gender identity, something quite different.
1.Why the two issues are put together? I think there should be different organisations for trans people
Moreover, bisexuals are just as different from homosexuals as from heterosexuals
2.Why should bissexuals and gays belong to the same community and organisation?
Because they're all discriminated against on the same grounds, i.e. not being a traditional cisgendered heterosexual.Symbols
I know that bisexuals, gays and trans have their own flags.
3.What is the point of having flags.Heterosexuals don't have flags.Why should we have flags?
Presumably to have something to wave during parades or protests. *shrug*4.And if flags are needed for some reasons, the current flags were not democratically chosen in a contest but rather just 'prevailed'.So shouldn't there be a new contest with more choices?
I don't really see why. They're just flags.Pride and parades
I believe that no person, straight or LGBT, should be neither proud nor ashamed of its sexual orientation or gender.It's just who they are
5. What is the purpose of pride parades? It seems to me that the pride parade is something like a carnival, giving the chance to straight people to make fun of LGBT people.
The point is to counter and defy the shame LGBT individuals are told they should feel because they aren't cisgendered heterosexuals. They are told that they are sick, broken, evil, and that they should hide their differences away and never speak of them or act on them. And with pride parades they respond "No, fuck you, there's nothing sick, broken or evil about us and we won't hide away because you say so, you shitstain on the underwear of humanity".
by Bottle » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:49 am
Grave_n_idle wrote:Keceas wrote:I really think there are only three orientations, hetero, bi, and homo. Pansexuality and the like just seems to be the same damn thing as bisexuality with a different name. Just what the hell is genderqueer anyway?
"...same damn thing...", "...what the hell is..."
Someone seems to be using a lot of anger language.
Why would you be so bent out of shape by the sexuality of someone else?
by Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:22 am
Bottle wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
"...same damn thing...", "...what the hell is..."
Someone seems to be using a lot of anger language.
Why would you be so bent out of shape by the sexuality of someone else?
For serious. Why do people act like it is such a big fucking deal if people want to identify as something beyond the narrow conventional labels? They act like it is such a hardship to have to remember to use the terms that people have chosen to self-identify with.
I know a guy named Robert who prefers to be called Bob. His son, Robert Jr., is Bobby. I've also got a friend named Robert who goes by Rob. I worked for a Robert who was Robert, nothing else. And a kid on my street was Robbie.
If I started calling Bob "Robbie" instead of Bob, that would be weird. If I kept doing it after he gently reminded me that he goes by Bob, it would graduate to being rude. It is not that fucking hard for me to learn, and accept, that some people pick how they identify, even if the root "term" is the same thing. It's simple courtesy.
Who the fuck cares if somebody refers to their sexuality as "queer" but you think they ought to call themselves "gay"? Unless you're trying to fuck them, their sexuality isn't any of your fucking business anyhow. Just use the term they have selected, the same way you call them by the name they prefer, and get the fuck over it.
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:22 am
Faolinn wrote:I have to agree with the line about this idea of "pride". Maybe if it were overcoming adversity pride or something of that nature it would make more sense. It seems foolish to have pride in things that merely are.
Genivaria wrote:Ifreann wrote:The point is to counter and defy the shame LGBT individuals are told they should feel because they aren't cisgendered heterosexuals. They are told that they are sick, broken, evil, and that they should hide their differences away and never speak of them or act on them. And with pride parades they respond "No, fuck you, there's nothing sick, broken or evil about us and we won't hide away because you say so, you shitstain on the underwear of humanity".
Mike the Progressive wrote:Um, when you use the shower room at the local gym, is that like Christmas morning to you people?
(Ha, Family Guy reference, I kid, I kid).
by Celephais » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:08 am
Ifreann wrote:Function in society while openly gay or transgendered often does involve overcoming adversity. Because, you know, people keep treating them like shit.
by Jormengand » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:44 am
Page wrote:-snip-
Jormengand wrote:It would be really meta if I sigged this.
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:50 am
by Alyakia » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:53 am
Jormengand wrote:Page wrote:-snip-
Not where I come from that doesn't happen - it's considered about as crazy as saying, for example autistic people have something majorly wrong with them, and are crazy people who should be ignored and made to feel like shit.
And Alyakia, it's called personal experience. Maybe It'd help if you read the sixth word in my sig
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