Innocent victims of the US war on Terror: The sick evidence

[Ravineworld]

Here is your evidence:
http://costsofwar.org/article/civilians ... nd-wounded
http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 8&oe=UTF-8
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/world ... lties.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/iraq
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... -both-ways (sort of)
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... ions-about
http://costsofwar.org/article/detention
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... m-20110327
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl ... stpopular5
It is quite clear that the US has committed some serious atrocities.
This stuff made me get sick to the stomach. And people wonder why I think Bush and Obama should be tried for war crimes.

[Disserbia]

Here is your evidence:
http://costsofwar.org/article/civilians ... nd-wounded
http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 8&oe=UTF-8
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/world ... lties.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/iraq
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... -both-ways (sort of)
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... ions-about
http://costsofwar.org/article/detention
It is quite clear that the US has committed some serious atrocities.
This stuff made me get sick to the stomach. And people wonder why I think Bush and Obama should be tried for war crimes.

Bush yes. Obama not so much.

[THE NEW NEWLY UNITED STATES]

We already know this is happening. Derp

Yes I know its sick but at least Obama pulled the troops OUT of Iraq.

[Ravineworld]

Here is your evidence:
http://costsofwar.org/article/civilians ... nd-wounded
http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 8&oe=UTF-8
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/world ... lties.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/iraq
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... -both-ways (sort of)
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... ions-about
http://costsofwar.org/article/detention
It is quite clear that the US has committed some serious atrocities.
This stuff made me get sick to the stomach. And people wonder why I think Bush and Obama should be tried for war crimes.

Bush yes. Obama not so much.

The evidence is in front of you that Obama has done almost the exact same thing.

[Ravineworld]

We already know this is happening. Derp

Yes I know its sick but at least Obama pulled the troops OUT of Iraq.

And put extra ones in Afghanistan

[The Rich Port]

Of course, none of them matter because we now have our oil fields back... I think.

And freedom has been secured... I think.

And we found the WMDs... Oh, wait, those weren't there...

But we did find bin Laden... Well, he wasn't in Iraq or Afghanistan.

So... Yeah, these people and thousands more American soldiers died for in the name of vengeance.

Oh, I'm sorry, "justice".

And your "Blame Obama" palooza is, like much of it, misguided and bizarre.

[Episarta]

It's bound to happen. It is one of the realities of war. Can't be changed or stopped, except by not getting into a war in the first place, of course.

Although charging Bush and Obama with war crimes seems to go a bit far. I am not an expert on this of course, but I do not believe Bush or Obama had ordered the troops to murder civillians in mass droves. And it is not just US troops doing the killing. If anyone should be charged, it should be the soldiers themselves or the field commanders. But again, I don't know much on how war crime charges are handed out.

Oh well, people die everyday, why should these deaths hold any more meaning than the lost lives of others?

[Arumdaum]

We already know this is happening. Derp

Yes I know its sick but at least Obama pulled the troops OUT of Iraq.

The vast majority of Americans I'm pretty sure don't.

[Disserbia]

Bush yes. Obama not so much.

The evidence is in front of you that Obama has done almost the exact same thing.

This doesn't really constitute war crimes and Obama has been doing his best to reduce US military presence and violence all over the world. Just because civilians are killed while Obama is in office doesn't mean he could do anything about it. The repercussion of the Bush administration are going to be felt for a long time I'm sick of people expecting Obama to right all ills domestic and international overnight. Plus war crimes involve violating the laws of war as stipulated by the geneva conventions in an attempt to inflict casualties upon the civilian population.

[The UK in Exile]

It's bound to happen. It is one of the realities of war. Can't be changed or stopped, except by not getting into a war in the first place, of course.

Although charging Bush and Obama with war crimes seems to go a bit far. I am not an expert on this of course, but I do not believe Bush or Obama had ordered the troops to murder civillians in mass droves. And it is not just US troops doing the killing. If anyone should be charged, it should be the soldiers themselves or the field commanders. But again, I don't know much on how war crime charges are handed out.

Oh well, people die everyday, why should these deaths hold any more meaning than the lost lives of others?

they shouldn't but they should have a meaning. they should be investigated, amends should be made and where nessecary those responsible should be punished. the gov can't really hide behind omlette/eggs rhetoric.

[Ravineworld]

It's bound to happen. It is one of the realities of war. Can't be changed or stopped, except by not getting into a war in the first place, of course.

Although charging Bush and Obama with war crimes seems to go a bit far. I am not an expert on this of course, but I do not believe Bush or Obama had ordered the troops to murder civillians in mass droves. And it is not just US troops doing the killing. If anyone should be charged, it should be the soldiers themselves or the field commanders. But again, I don't know much on how war crime charges are handed out.

Oh well, people die everyday, why should these deaths hold any more meaning than the lost lives of others?

Obama and Bush ordered a plate of drone strike, carpet bombing, and dumb racist soldiers for the war
and they expect to not be charged with war crimes?

[Ravineworld]

The evidence is in front of you that Obama has done almost the exact same thing.

This doesn't really constitute war crimes and Obama has been doing his best to reduce US military presence and violence all over the world. Just because civilians are killed while Obama is in office doesn't mean he could do anything about it. The repercussion of the Bush administration are going to be felt for a long time I'm sick of people expecting Obama to right all ills domestic and international overnight. Plus war crimes involve violating the laws of war as stipulated by the geneva conventions in an attempt to inflict casualties upon the civilian population.

Obama has ordered drone strikes in places that he knew there would be civilians, and bush did the same
But Obama is a democrat, so we should be softer on him?
That is what I got out of that post

[Episarta]

It's bound to happen. It is one of the realities of war. Can't be changed or stopped, except by not getting into a war in the first place, of course.

Although charging Bush and Obama with war crimes seems to go a bit far. I am not an expert on this of course, but I do not believe Bush or Obama had ordered the troops to murder civillians in mass droves. And it is not just US troops doing the killing. If anyone should be charged, it should be the soldiers themselves or the field commanders. But again, I don't know much on how war crime charges are handed out.

Oh well, people die everyday, why should these deaths hold any more meaning than the lost lives of others?

Obama and Bush ordered a plate of drone strike, carpet bombing, and dumb racist soldiers for the war
and they expect to not be charged with war crimes?

And I am sure they ordered those to specifically and intentionally target and harm civillians, right? THat's all they care about isn't it? Killing the civillian populations of these countries? And what do you mean by "dumb racist soldiers" exactly?

[Disserbia]

It's bound to happen. It is one of the realities of war. Can't be changed or stopped, except by not getting into a war in the first place, of course.

Although charging Bush and Obama with war crimes seems to go a bit far. I am not an expert on this of course, but I do not believe Bush or Obama had ordered the troops to murder civillians in mass droves. And it is not just US troops doing the killing. If anyone should be charged, it should be the soldiers themselves or the field commanders. But again, I don't know much on how war crime charges are handed out.

Oh well, people die everyday, why should these deaths hold any more meaning than the lost lives of others?

Obama and Bush ordered a plate of drone strike, carpet bombing, and dumb racist soldiers for the war
and they expect to not be charged with war crimes?

Dumb racist soldiers are not Obama's fault, those soldiers should maybe be tried.

[The UK in Exile]

It's bound to happen. It is one of the realities of war. Can't be changed or stopped, except by not getting into a war in the first place, of course.

Although charging Bush and Obama with war crimes seems to go a bit far. I am not an expert on this of course, but I do not believe Bush or Obama had ordered the troops to murder civillians in mass droves. And it is not just US troops doing the killing. If anyone should be charged, it should be the soldiers themselves or the field commanders. But again, I don't know much on how war crime charges are handed out.

Oh well, people die everyday, why should these deaths hold any more meaning than the lost lives of others?

Obama and Bush ordered a plate of drone strike, carpet bombing, and dumb racist soldiers for the war
and they expect to not be charged with war crimes?

the war is not the crime.

[Cill Charthaigh]

It's bound to happen. It is one of the realities of war. Can't be changed or stopped, except by not getting into a war in the first place, of course.

Although charging Bush and Obama with war crimes seems to go a bit far. I am not an expert on this of course, but I do not believe Bush or Obama had ordered the troops to murder civillians in mass droves. And it is not just US troops doing the killing. If anyone should be charged, it should be the soldiers themselves or the field commanders. But again, I don't know much on how war crime charges are handed out.

Oh well, people die everyday, why should these deaths hold any more meaning than the lost lives of others?

Obama and Bush ordered a plate of drone strike, carpet bombing, and dumb racist soldiers for the war
and they expect to not be charged with war crimes?

They thought they were targeting the enemy, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban and whatnot. And they don't handpick the soldiers.

[United Districts of 1]

Of course, none of them matter because we now have our oil fields back... I think.

And freedom has been secured... I think.

And we found the WMDs... Oh, wait, those weren't there...

But we did find bin Laden... Well, he wasn't in Iraq or Afghanistan.

So... Yeah, these people and thousands more American soldiers died for in the name of vengeance.

Oh, I'm sorry, "justice".

And your "Blame Obama" palooza is, like much of it, misguided and bizarre.

Are you me?

[Lydenburg]

There are innocent victims in every war. It's an accepted fact of life. Why should what Americans are and have been doing for the past decade or so news?

And why exactly should it surprise anyone?

[The Rich Port]

Of course, none of them matter because we now have our oil fields back... I think.

And freedom has been secured... I think.

And we found the WMDs... Oh, wait, those weren't there...

But we did find bin Laden... Well, he wasn't in Iraq or Afghanistan.

So... Yeah, these people and thousands more American soldiers died for in the name of vengeance.

Oh, I'm sorry, "justice".

And your "Blame Obama" palooza is, like much of it, misguided and bizarre.

Are you me?

I could be 50% of you. Are you a woman?

Obama and Bush ordered a plate of drone strike, carpet bombing, and dumb racist soldiers for the war
and they expect to not be charged with war crimes?

the war is not the crime.

Well, kind of.

Again, this is only a problem because the OP has something against Obama, much like a lot of the 'Baggage.

We should be focusing on Bush and his cronies.

[Ravineworld]

Are you me?

I could be 50% of you. Are you a woman?

the war is not the crime.

Well, kind of.

Again, this is only a problem because the OP has something against Obama, much like a lot of the 'Baggage.

We should be focusing on Bush and his cronies.

Tell me how Obama using targeted drone strikes that kill civilians is different and better than when Bush did it?
Please, tell me.

[Steel Talons]

There are innocent victims in every war. It's an accepted fact of life. Why should what Americans are and have been doing for the past decade or so news?

And why exactly should it surprise anyone?

because it is America and Obama two of the things people in the world seem to hate the most.

[The UK in Exile]

Well, kind of.

Again, this is only a problem because the OP has something against Obama, much like a lot of the 'Baggage.

We should be focusing on Bush and his cronies.

we should focus on Obama, if only because his wars are going on right now whereas bush is no longer in charge.

[Cill Charthaigh]

Of course, none of them matter because we now have our oil fields back... I think.

And freedom has been secured... I think.

And we found the WMDs... Oh, wait, those weren't there...

But we did find bin Laden... Well, he wasn't in Iraq or Afghanistan.

So... Yeah, these people and thousands more American soldiers died for in the name of vengeance.

Oh, I'm sorry, "justice".

And your "Blame Obama" palooza is, like much of it, misguided and bizarre.

Blame Obama? What is this I don't even

I thought back in 2008 we were expecting Obama to fix everything especially the economy, and now we're like "It's alright, Barry, at least you're reducing troop presence. Now, now, don't cry. You'll be reelected, I promise."

Okay, that's not 100% true but that's kind of what it sounds like.

Srsly.

[The Rich Port]

I could be 50% of you. Are you a woman?



Well, kind of.

Again, this is only a problem because the OP has something against Obama, much like a lot of the 'Baggage.

We should be focusing on Bush and his cronies.

Tell me how Obama using targeted drone strikes that kill civilians is different and better than when Bush did it?
Please, tell me.

Unless you have written documents stating Obama, himself, intentionally mandated the targetting of civilians as some sort of psychological warfare tactic, you're spewing horker turds.

On top of that, you're underestimating the corruption and the power the military-industrial-corporate complex has over both the government and the public.

[Ravineworld]

Tell me how Obama using targeted drone strikes that kill civilians is different and better than when Bush did it?
Please, tell me.

Unless you have written documents stating Obama, himself, intentionally mandated the targetting of civilians as some sort of psychological warfare tactic, you're spewing horker turds.

Not going to go into this. He has authorised drone strikes, many of which have killed civilians.