**Living in a new country**

[North Suran]

I hope to move out of the satates during my adulthood.

To where?

A numerous ammount of posibilities.

Can I have a list of some of the top picks? I am very curious. You don't have to, if you don't want to. Would this move be for good? Why the move?

I would consider moving out of the US only for a few years at most. And only a Western or other developed country. Unless I was extremely well compensated of course.

It is frightening how inconceviable it is to you that someone may wish to leave the US.

And furthermore, if you emigrate from the US to another Western, developed country, what's the point?

Non-economic emigration is about experiencing new cultures; you're hardly going to broaden your horizons by moving from the US to the UK.

[Sibirsky]

And only a Western or other developed country. Unless I was extremely well compensated of course.

but you can just do what all expats do and save up about 40K (in sterling course) and live like a King in some godforsaken hell hole

*pays African children to fight for my amusement*

While I agree, it's not a pretty sight, we have no right to tell people how to dress, within reason, or what color to paint their houses etc.

nonsense! imagine how society could be molded into a strong unit if we all dressed the same and lived in the same houses

equality of design
equality of choice
equality of sense

or I could of been joking

I would rather live a mediocre western lifestyle, than like a king in a third world country. I think.

[Les Drapeaux Brulants]

I moved from the Soviet Union to the United States in 1991. It was shocking and amazing. In stores, shelves have products for sale on them. Everything imaginable. People are nice and courteous. A lot of people don't lock their doors. Ever. One of my good friend's family never locked their front door. NEVER. It was in a nice area and crime was not a problem, but such a thing would never happen in the USSR. The roads are well maintained, with few potholes. Cars are nice. Drivers are courteous. People live in nice homes. In summary, the drastic difference of the standard of living is visible at first sight.

Just wait... We'll catch up with Cuba and the former USSR pretty soon. After all, a country is judged by it's NHS, isn't it?

[Sibirsky]

I hope to move out of the satates during my adulthood.

To where?

A numerous ammount of posibilities.

Can I have a list of some of the top picks? I am very curious. You don't have to, if you don't want to. Would this move be for good? Why the move?

I would consider moving out of the US only for a few years at most. And only a Western or other developed country. Unless I was extremely well compensated of course.

It is frightening how inconceviable it is to you that someone may wish to leave the US.

And furthermore, if you emigrate from the US to another Western, developed country, what's the point?

Non-economic emigration is about experiencing new cultures; you're hardly going to broaden your horizons by moving from the US to the UK.

Leave me alone. I asked him a simple question. I was just curious about where he wants to go. He said, many places. I bet a lot more people want to come into the US, than leave it.

[North Suran]

I moved from the Soviet Union to the United States in 1991. It was shocking and amazing. In stores, shelves have products for sale on them. Everything imaginable. People are nice and courteous. A lot of people don't lock their doors. Ever. One of my good friend's family never locked their front door. NEVER. It was in a nice area and crime was not a problem, but such a thing would never happen in the USSR. The roads are well maintained, with few potholes. Cars are nice. Drivers are courteous. People live in nice homes. In summary, the drastic difference of the standard of living is visible at first sight.

Just wait... We'll catch up with Cuba and the former USSR pretty soon. After all, a country is judged by it's NHS, isn't it?

A country is judged by how it treats its worst-off citizens.

[Taeshan]

I hope to move out of the satates during my adulthood.

To where?

A numerous ammount of posibilities.

Can I have a list of some of the top picks? I am very curious. You don't have to, if you don't want to. Would this move be for good? Why the move?

I would consider moving out of the US only for a few years at most. And only a Western or other developed country. Unless I was extremely well compensated of course.

It is frightening how inconceviable it is to you that someone may wish to leave the US.

And furthermore, if you emigrate from the US to another Western, developed country, what's the point?

Non-economic emigration is about experiencing new cultures; you're hardly going to broaden your horizons by moving from the US to the UK.

Most Likely
Germany
Spain
Ivory Coast
Russia
Middle Likely
UK
Egypt
Chile

Mosly places id like to at least go on a trip to for a few weeks.

[Les Drapeaux Brulants]

I am living and studying in southern Spain.

I like Spain a lot. Not enough to move there permanently, but it is certainly a favorite vacation spot.

[Les Drapeaux Brulants]

I moved from the Soviet Union to the United States in 1991. It was shocking and amazing. In stores, shelves have products for sale on them. Everything imaginable. People are nice and courteous. A lot of people don't lock their doors. Ever. One of my good friend's family never locked their front door. NEVER. It was in a nice area and crime was not a problem, but such a thing would never happen in the USSR. The roads are well maintained, with few potholes. Cars are nice. Drivers are courteous. People live in nice homes. In summary, the drastic difference of the standard of living is visible at first sight.

Just wait... We'll catch up with Cuba and the former USSR pretty soon. After all, a country is judged by it's NHS, isn't it?

A country is judged by how it treats its worst-off citizens.

As long as they all have an equal chance at success, then things are fine. When everyone has an equal outcome, then things suck.

[Call to power]

Non-economic emigration is about experiencing new cultures; you're hardly going to broaden your horizons by moving from the US to the UK.

speak for yourself coffee drinker

I would rather live a mediocre western lifestyle, than like a king in a third world country. I think.

O_o why your money buys more theres nothing wrong with that

[Democratic Eurasia]

I spent six and a half years in Zambia. Moved there from Northern Ireland when I was 12 and moved bavk to NI last December. I wouldn't want to compare the two- they're just different thats all- but I guess I feel more comfortable in the UK. That said, I do want to travel more and see other parts of the world. India, Europe, Australia. The West can learn so much from the rest of the world. And the world would do well to learn from the west as well. Travel does broaden the mind.

[Czardas]

I would consider moving out of the US only for a few years at most. And only a Western or other developed country. Unless I was extremely well compensated of course.

That's odd, since I would only consider living in the US again (after I leave this fall) for a few years at most. To be fair, this has little to do with its laws and government, of which I mostly approve (generally more so than the people who actually want to continue living there, for some reason), and more to do with the people and the culture, which I hate.

Not sure where I'd wind up living after all that. I'm thinking maybe Iceland, it's got glaciers and volcanoes and waterfalls and such, and the economy probably won't suck quite so much once I'm out of university and everything. To some degree I don't really mind where I wind up living, as long as it doesn't get too hot and the inhabitants aren't total whackjobs.

[Arcadianumland]

I'd like to sample Canada, particularly Vancouver.

Canada is probably, or at least used to be, my favourite place to go, even before Sweden. Then suddenly I realised that getting a free medical degree as opposed to paying absurd amounts for it, knowing the culture out and in, and having friends and family close by really does count for more than you'd think. Language was never a problem. After I lived in Canada, I really wanted to go there again, and I still might... but the more I actually live in my native country the more I appreciate it. Not to say there's no problems here, but they're not as bad as other places. For instance, we might have a slightly less powerful economy than, say, Singapore, but after I lived there (too) for another year I came to appreciate the freedom of speech, the press and to vote for whomever you want that we have here.

As for moving between Western countries... I know that I'll most likely work in a lot of strange places after I get my medical degree (Medecins Sans Frontiers ftw!) but I also know exactly what it feels like to actually _live_ somewhere totally different from where you're used to - it isn't necessarily a bad thing, but you should pick and choose carefully to make sure you get a place that you can agree with on the whole. Also, it's not always about you - bringing a family halfway across the world can be fun, but also very exhausting and isn't always what you thought it would be.

Still, Vancouver along with the rest of the Pacific Northwest, California and New England are the places in North America I'd most consider living in, just because they feel the nicest. I'm still looking for a way to go there again after my awesome visit 10 years ago that was only equalled by Estonia this summer in friendlyness, cleanliness and general nicety, and I know what I'm talking about (or like to pretend I do ) as that was the 34th country I've been to so far.

[Alsatian Knights]

The cars made here are fine. The cars made here are amazing compared to Soviet cars.

QFT...

The roads are well maintained compared to Soviet roads.

You obviously haven't driven through Knoxville

The people are nice compared to Russians.

Go up and give Rush Limbaugh a hug...or better yet, spend some time as a black person in the deep south...

There is trust,

I tend not to give people my trust here in the US...never know when they'll take your SSN.

I explained in another thread how UPS just leaves packages, sometimes with valuables, at the door. That would never happen in the Soviet Union, because they would be instantly stolen.

I've stolen a few....

Street lights that actually light the streets. Because some hooligans don't constantly break them.

Ever been in the projects? Probably not...

I am in America and your joke is anything but funny.

Which America?

[Ossetia Federation]

Yes, I would say that is the major reason for me being a capitalist. I was 10 years old. Negatives? You have to work. In the Soviet Union, there is a joke, we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us. Which is obviously an exaggeration, but it's based on the truth. Of course that negative is one of the major reasons for America's success.

A big exaggeration indeed.

You were ten years old, I take it this was in the 1980s?

[JarVik]

Thank you. Most Americans don't go abroad and just don't understand how good they have it.

I lived in Windsor Ontario (Canada) for a year but all the work was in the states, so I got to travel to and stay in many of the cities and Towns in the US States near the Great lakes ( I'm a Canuck if you don't know). For those of you who don't know Windsor Ontario is a complete shit hole by Canadian standards, and of all the US cities I stayed in, only Detriot was obviously worse. Gary Indiana had a nasty vibe too (a quite undercurrent of bitter sadness and repressed anger if that makes sense) but otherwise I found the cities and the people quite nice and friendly, even those drinking out of paper bags in Toledo parks were very friendly.

Anyways, overall I found that most US people and cities seemed quite nice and open. A few needed some serious road work but I also saw lots of roadwork in progress. I also saw a few things that rasied my eyebrow in the more rural areas but that goes for here too.
Of the dozens of cities, towns and villages I worked in, almost all beat Windsor Canada as a place I'd like to live.

So I guess I'm saying USA was pretty decent, but some places like Detroit are holes, but every country has a few of those.

[Rejistania]

Excellent topic. I am about to move to the UK (from Germany) for one year of studying. About to move means that the suitcase is packed, the train tickets are bought and the alarm clock is set to 6 am. tomorrow, I will leave the FRG for the longest time ever. While I am not that concerned about the language, it will be an issue for me. I am scared and looking forward at the same time.


BTW: Any other NSisto in Southampton, UK?

[Sibirsky]

I would consider moving out of the US only for a few years at most. And only a Western or other developed country. Unless I was extremely well compensated of course.

That's odd, since I would only consider living in the US again (after I leave this fall) for a few years at most. To be fair, this has little to do with its laws and government, of which I mostly approve (generally more so than the people who actually want to continue living there, for some reason), and more to do with the people and the culture, which I hate.

Not sure where I'd wind up living after all that. I'm thinking maybe Iceland, it's got glaciers and volcanoes and waterfalls and such, and the economy probably won't suck quite so much once I'm out of university and everything. To some degree I don't really mind where I wind up living, as long as it doesn't get too hot and the inhabitants aren't total whackjobs.

Not odd at all. To each his own.

[The Romulan Republic]

I have moved between countries twice, but I don't know if either really counts.

The first time I was a baby, and I don't remember it. I moved from Canada to America.

The second time was going back to Canada. Given the language and cultural similarities, and the fact that we'd been regularly visiting family here my whole life, it wasn't that big a change.

[Sibirsky]

You obviously haven't driven through Knoxville.

I have driven through DC. The major roads are fine, the smaller ones are bad. I've driven through Atlantic City. The major roads are fine, the smaller roads are horrible. Still better than Soviet roads however.

Go up and give Rush Limbaugh a hug...or better yet, spend some time as a black person in the deep south...

How about spending time as a black person in Russia? If you live, you're lucky.

I tend not to give people my trust here in the US...never know when they'll take your SSN.

I am not talking about SSNs. I am talking about retail for instance. Go in and look around, touch, feel, play with the item. UPS leaving stuff at the door. People not locking doors. That was like another planet to me.

Ever been in the projects? Probably not...

I have. How is that the country's fault?

Which America?

The United States of America, Northern Virginia.

[Sibirsky]

Yes, I would say that is the major reason for me being a capitalist. I was 10 years old. Negatives? You have to work. In the Soviet Union, there is a joke, we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us. Which is obviously an exaggeration, but it's based on the truth. Of course that negative is one of the major reasons for America's success.

A big exaggeration indeed.

You were ten years old, I take it this was in the 1980s?

1991

[Sibirsky]

Thank you. Most Americans don't go abroad and just don't understand how good they have it.

I lived in Windsor Ontario (Canada) for a year but all the work was in the states, so I got to travel to and stay in many of the cities and Towns in the US States near the Great lakes ( I'm a Canuck if you don't know). For those of you who don't know Windsor Ontario is a complete shit hole by Canadian standards, and of all the US cities I stayed in, only Detriot was obviously worse. Gary Indiana had a nasty vibe too (a quite undercurrent of bitter sadness and repressed anger if that makes sense) but otherwise I found the cities and the people quite nice and friendly, even those drinking out of paper bags in Toledo parks were very friendly.

Anyways, overall I found that most US people and cities seemed quite nice and open. A few needed some serious road work but I also saw lots of roadwork in progress. I also saw a few things that rasied my eyebrow in the more rural areas but that goes for here too.
Of the dozens of cities, towns and villages I worked in, almost all beat Windsor Canada as a place I'd like to live.

So I guess I'm saying USA was pretty decent, but some places like Detroit are holes, but every country has a few of those.

I have not been anywhere near there, but have read enough to know about them. Detroit, "The Motor City"... enough said. Gary, Indiana is a steel town, and it's fate is related, and similar to that of Detroit. Being smaller, it was hit harder. I like what you said though, and agree with you. I have been to Motreal, Ottawa and Toronto, and liked it very much. Ottawa is stunning. So is Montreal. Toronto, I thought of as a mini New York.

[I Heart A H1N1]

Being in Canada for the past 8 years. I am from Argentina. No comparisons, but moving here was quite scary, although I will not go back to Argentina.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I've lived on the same awesome island for all my life. No experiences of moving to a foreign place for me to share.

[The Atlantian islands]

Excellent topic. I am about to move to the UK (from Germany) for one year of studying. About to move means that the suitcase is packed, the train tickets are bought and the alarm clock is set to 6 am. tomorrow, I will leave the FRG for the longest time ever. While I am not that concerned about the language, it will be an issue for me. I am scared and looking forward at the same time.


BTW: Any other NSisto in Southampton, UK?

Good luck. The key is making friends as fast as possible by being very social and going out alot so you don't sit at home and dwell on things. After a few days of this, if you are having a good time, you should have no problem.

[Grave_n_idle]

I moved from the Soviet Union to the United States in 1991. It was shocking and amazing. In stores, shelves have products for sale on them. Everything imaginable. People are nice and courteous. A lot of people don't lock their doors. Ever. One of my good friend's family never locked their front door. NEVER. It was in a nice area and crime was not a problem, but such a thing would never happen in the USSR. The roads are well maintained, with few potholes. Cars are nice. Drivers are courteous. People live in nice homes. In summary, the drastic difference of the standard of living is visible at first sight.

Just wait... We'll catch up with Cuba and the former USSR pretty soon. After all, a country is judged by it's NHS, isn't it?

A country is judged by how it treats its worst-off citizens.

As long as they all have an equal chance at success, then things are fine. When everyone has an equal outcome, then things suck.

There's no such thing as 'equal chance at success'.