Homosexuality and parenthood: your thoughts.

[Jormengand]

here here! you can use all of mine too... give this person a good shot from me too will you? thanks.

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with a homosexual couple or a single homosexual either for that matter wanting to raise a child. i think these people and the ops friends should be EXTREMELY proud of what they want to do and i hope that they get what they wish for. a person should be judged on their actions NOT their lifestyles, choices, or sexuality. if only everyone else thought this way...

Jormengand argued that, if there are differences between gay and straight parents AND we are to oppress gay people/parents, straight parents would be worse parents than gay parents. Which, I have to agree with Lacky here, is pretty bigoted. Your opinion of a group of people does not or should not influence your parenting style. Otherwise, we can say that white parents are worse than black parents before 1850s, which is just ridiculously absurd. Ridiculous.

Moreover, perhaps we SHOULD oppress parents to make them better parents. Which, again, absurd.

I argued that straight people are more likely to be homophobic than gays. If their child is gay, this causes problems. How is this bigoted, or what you said I said?

[Norstal]

Jormengand argued that, if there are differences between gay and straight parents AND we are to oppress gay people/parents, straight parents would be worse parents than gay parents. Which, I have to agree with Lacky here, is pretty bigoted. Your opinion of a group of people does not or should not influence your parenting style. Otherwise, we can say that white parents are worse than black parents before 1850s, which is just ridiculously absurd. Ridiculous.

Moreover, perhaps we SHOULD oppress parents to make them better parents. Which, again, absurd.

I argued that straight people are more likely to be homophobic than gays. If their child is gay, this causes problems. How is this bigoted, or what you said I said?

No, you argued that if there are differences in parenting between straight and homosexual couples, homosexuals would be better parents.

That's what you posted. I suggest you revise your post or choose your words carefully if that's not what you meant.

[Pope Joan]

Let's just have the same standards for every would-be adoptive couple.

Do a home study. Do they have employment, or a reliable income? Is the rap sheet clean? Do they live next to a nuclear dump? etc.

Blank out the names, just call them Z and K or something.

I have known homosexual parents to be good at the task, and some were not. It's about the same ratio as hetero parents.

[Jormengand]

I argued that straight people are more likely to be homophobic than gays. If their child is gay, this causes problems. How is this bigoted, or what you said I said?

No, you argued that if there are differences in parenting between straight and homosexual couples, homosexuals would be better parents.

That's what you posted. I suggest you revise your post or choose your words carefully if that's not what you meant.

I said that homosexuals could be better, because and only because there is practically no chance of them being homophobic themselves. I thought that was obvious from the fact that I said it.

[The Armed Persons Project]

The chances of them being good or shitty parents are just as great as for straight couples - so treat them the same.

Everyone is entitled to have their opinion on homosexuality, but some of those opinions are just plain wrong.

[Distruzio]

Straight parents bring up gay kids all the time. Your friends may bring up a straight kid... likely with impeccable fashion sense and a quality of class, but a straight kid, nonetheless.

I've no issue with it. I love seeing two people in love caring for a child no matter what.

Not, of course, that it would be a problem if the child did turn out to be gay

Of course it wouldn't. I figured that was a given considering my comment regarding people in love.

[Wazkyraque]

Well, I don't see any difference between homosexual parenting and heterosexual parenting. I think it's discriminatory that they are treated less.

[Forsher]

I gather now that your comment wasn't necessarily aimed at using the "natural/unnateral" argument in this debate. Anyway, dropping "natural/unnatural" in an issue where "innaturality" has been exploited by at least one of the sides might lead to misunderstanding, don't you think so?

In hindsight, I would have to say yes. Luckily I think my explanations have been clear enough.

[Forsher]

Politics.

One thing I've always felt is that politics should never be the deciding factor on anything.

Too true. In this case I mean politics of everyone involved.

[Salandriagado]

How on earth is this still an issue? Seriously, this is the 21st Century, and for the majority of us, the developed world. Surely we're past this shit already?

[Ifreann]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MassResistance Those guys are your source? The people described as an active anti-gay hate group?

Believe it or not, sometimes extremists are right...

That's as may be, but they're far from trustworthy.

[Auremena]

Could the take me as parents? I'd love it.

[Norstal]

No, you argued that if there are differences in parenting between straight and homosexual couples, homosexuals would be better parents.

That's what you posted. I suggest you revise your post or choose your words carefully if that's not what you meant.

I said that homosexuals could be better, because and only because there is practically no chance of them being homophobic themselves. I thought that was obvious from the fact that I said it.

No, it isn't "obvious" because you just pulled it out of your arse. If there are any difference between gays or straight parenting skills you wouldn't know it. I wouldn't know it. Lacky wouldn't know it.

Point is, and really you should've stopped it right there, there's no real difference between gay or straight parenting. Homophobia, heterophobia, etc. has no bearing on parenting skills. Completely different issues.

[New Rogernomics]

How on earth is this still an issue? Seriously, this is the 21st Century, and for the majority of us, the developed world. Surely we're past this shit already?

If only that were true, unfortunately normally intelligent people become irrational when it comes to homosexuality, and spend their lives finding pseudo-intellectual arguments against homosexual rights.

[Kaizerxisiv]

Brief background:
A couple who are friends of mine got married a year ago, more or less. They're homosexuals. As many couples do, they are thinking about parenting. Nothing wrong there, right? Wrong, it seems.

Because of the stigma that exists in many places, since they're gay, this apparently renders them immediately as bad candidates for parenting. Adoption, for example, has been made very difficult for them. It seems some think that homosexuality automatically turns them into bad people and, therefore, unfit for parenthood.

(Yes, I am aware that they can go the IVF way, surrogate parenting, yadda yadda. But they wish to adopt.)

My friends want to adopt, they fervently believe that they have all that is necessary to give a needy child (and they're not dead set on adopting a baby) all the love this child needs. They're economically stable, they have a good house and will be able to provide excellently for this child. These, IMO, are sufficient reasons for them to be able to adopt. The desire alone, to give love to an abandoned child, is enough.

However, this doesn't seem to be the case for the adoption agency. And the main strike against them is, sadly, their sexuality. Something that I don't see as key to bring up a happy and healthy child. If they're able to lovingly care for a son/daughter, why should their sexuality matter?

My question is simple: what do you think of homosexual parenting? Aye or nay and why do you think this way? (aside from the religion excuse)

I think it's great. Wasn't there a study about two months ago that said kids from gay households were more stable or something? Either way, it's fantastic that they were allowed to marry. In my home state it's now illegal under the constitution..

[Hathradic States]

Though I myself am not a large supporter of gay rights and its advocates, this is a case in which I side with them. If someone is going to be a good parent, it doesn't matter if they are attracted to men, women, or purple sheep. (Paedophiles, ont he other hand...)

[Ceannairceach]

Though I myself am not a large supporter of gay rights and its advocates, this is a case in which I side with them. If someone is going to be a good parent, it doesn't matter if they are attracted to men, women, or purple sheep. (Paedophiles, ont he other hand...)

Unless they act on their desires, even paedophiles could be good parents.

[Desperate Measures]

Though I myself am not a large supporter of gay rights and its advocates, this is a case in which I side with them. If someone is going to be a good parent, it doesn't matter if they are attracted to men, women, or purple sheep. (Paedophiles, ont he other hand...)

I don't know if I can vouch for the dude dying his sex sheep purple but... other than that, it's horrible not to let loving people care for children that need loving people.

[Osterra]

This reluctance to put two loving same sex prospective parents through this denial reflects how the world is still too judgmental. I wanted to punch my classmate who said he was against it when he tried to point out a correlation between homosexual men and paedophiles. DISGUSTING.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I am sure there is no real reason for that belief, that homosexuals make worse/better parents than straight couples. To some, the main problem is their sexual orientation, which somehow, in the minds of the bigots, impedes them from raising a child. That because they're gay, parenting is out of the question.

A lame reason to disallow gay people from becoming parents, if you ask me.

It's at least partly because the idea that homosexuality is the same as pederasty or pedophilia still has traction for some stupid reason.

That reminds me of something I was told a few days ago. That a woman ceases to be a woman if she's a lesbian. I still don't see how sexual preference cancels gender.

I guess that's the same with parenthood. That some consider sexual preference as a 'yay/nay' characteristic for how 'suited' one is as a parent. Something I don't see factoring in into that. A gay parent could be as good of a parent as a straight parent. Or not.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I would sooner see a kid in a loving, stable home than to be passed around the foster care system or in a state-run institution.

That's exactly my thought. If a loving family is there, why would the parents's sexuality matter?

[Ifreann]

I would sooner see a kid in a loving, stable home than to be passed around the foster care system or in a state-run institution.

That's exactly my thought. If a loving family is there, why would the parents's sexuality matter?

We have to protect kids from gaydiation!

[SaintB]

Best we can do is work on improving the future generation's perception of homosexuality. Its that or hope for some miracle disease that only affects homophobes.

[Hathradic States]

Though I myself am not a large supporter of gay rights and its advocates, this is a case in which I side with them. If someone is going to be a good parent, it doesn't matter if they are attracted to men, women, or purple sheep. (Paedophiles, ont he other hand...)

Unless they act on their desires, even paedophiles could be good parents.

I will cede that point to you.

Though I myself am not a large supporter of gay rights and its advocates, this is a case in which I side with them. If someone is going to be a good parent, it doesn't matter if they are attracted to men, women, or purple sheep. (Paedophiles, ont he other hand...)

I don't know if I can vouch for the dude dying his sex sheep purple but... other than that, it's horrible not to let loving people care for children that need loving people.

There is nothing wrong with dying a sex sheep purple...and I agree.

[Desperate Measures]

Unless they act on their desires, even paedophiles could be good parents.

I will cede that point to you.

I don't know if I can vouch for the dude dying his sex sheep purple but... other than that, it's horrible not to let loving people care for children that need loving people.

There is nothing wrong with dying a sex sheep purple...and I agree.

There... might not be anything wrong with the purple sex sheep. I'm still not letting my kid play in that yard.