Mitt Romney-is it safe to have a Mormon as President?

[Farnhamia]

I'd be interested to hear from any of you Republicans out there on NS?

That's a good one, Republicans. Almost evrybody on NS is a liberal.
I want Mitt Romney to win because he's the only candidate that I think will be able to win enough independants to get Mr. Socialist out of office. Since in America we have separation of church and state unlike the backwards country you apparently live in Romney won't create policies based on his retarded religion.

But he would create policies based on his wrong understanding of economics. The man is the son of privilege who has never had to worry about supporting his family or paying his mortgage or rent, never had to worry about losing his job. Wrong for America.

[Ashmoria]

That's a good one, Republicans. Almost evrybody on NS is a liberal.
I want Mitt Romney to win because he's the only candidate that I think will be able to win enough independants to get Mr. Socialist out of office. Since in America we have separation of church and state unlike the backwards country you apparently live in Romney won't create policies based on his retarded religion.

But he would create policies based on his wrong understanding of economics. The man is the son of privilege who has never had to worry about supporting his family or paying his mortgage or rent, never had to worry about losing his job. Wrong for America.

yeah

he is so obviously a man of private equity who only sees issues in terms of profit and loss. that is why he opposed the auto bailout--it was a loser financially. he didnt prioritize the lives of the people who would be thrown out of work. the president, including george bush, thought it well worth the risk necessary to at least try to save the auto industry and all its associated jobs.

he cant even admit today that it was a good idea. we got our money back and saved millions of jobs. still not a good idea.

[New Conglomerate]

I'd be interested to hear from any of you Republicans out there on NS?

That's a good one, Republicans. Almost evrybody on NS is a liberal.
I want Mitt Romney to win because he's the only candidate that I think will be able to win enough independants to get Mr. Socialist out of office. Since in America we have separation of church and state unlike the backwards country you apparently live in Romney won't create policies based on his retarded religion.

He's losing to Obama by 8% in the polls, and Obama hasn't even started campaigning yet.

You guys are in for a hell of a campaign season.

[Ora Amaris]

Mormonism is one of the stupidest system of beliefs that I've ever seen, equatable with scientology. I can't believe that anyone in their right goddamn mind could ever believe in that pile of shit.
The stuff that Romney has done in the past in regards to mormonism is pretty astounding.

[Farnhamia]

Mormonism is one of the stupidest system of beliefs that I've ever seen, equatable with scientology. I can't believe that anyone in their right goddamn mind could ever believe in that pile of shit.
The stuff that Romney has done in the past in regards to mormonism is pretty astounding.

Astonish me. What's he done in regards to Mormonism?

[Ashmoria]

Mormonism is one of the stupidest system of beliefs that I've ever seen, equatable with scientology. I can't believe that anyone in their right goddamn mind could ever believe in that pile of shit.
The stuff that Romney has done in the past in regards to mormonism is pretty astounding.

latter day saints have some sketchy beliefs on precolumbian america but outside of that what is so stupid compared to any other religion?

[Farnhamia]

Mormonism is one of the stupidest system of beliefs that I've ever seen, equatable with scientology. I can't believe that anyone in their right goddamn mind could ever believe in that pile of shit.
The stuff that Romney has done in the past in regards to mormonism is pretty astounding.

latter day saints have some sketchy beliefs on precolumbian america but outside of that what is so stupid compared to any other religion?

"Sketchy" ... how diplomatic, Ash!

[Ashmoria]

latter day saints have some sketchy beliefs on precolumbian america but outside of that what is so stupid compared to any other religion?

"Sketchy" ... how diplomatic, Ash!

i find certain aspects of mormon beliefs to be inappropriately hilarious so i try to modify how i talk about them.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Mormonism is one of the stupidest system of beliefs that I've ever seen, equatable with scientology. I can't believe that anyone in their right goddamn mind could ever believe in that pile of shit.
The stuff that Romney has done in the past in regards to mormonism is pretty astounding.

I find your insults petty, groundless, and uninformed. But please, do continue with the breathless attempts to present yourself as a bigoted jerk. These never cease to amuse me. (Or rather, don't, and learn how to debate without the mudflinging. I've found that to be the more effected method over the years, but hey. Whatever lifts your skirts.)

What else never ceases to amaze is how insulting, derogatory, and outright inflammatory people can be when spouting their hatred, misguided or otherwise, of anyone and anything remotely of a religious bent, but powers that be forbid if the tables are ever turned. Then it's all 'bastard religious assholes' this, and 'intolerant idiots' that.

I wonder sometimes if some of you ever stop to actually read what you're writing and think how it must look from a point of view that isn't yours, and how you would react to these same phrases were they turned on you.

Just a thought.

[Ora Amaris]

Mormonism is one of the stupidest system of beliefs that I've ever seen, equatable with scientology. I can't believe that anyone in their right goddamn mind could ever believe in that pile of shit.
The stuff that Romney has done in the past in regards to mormonism is pretty astounding.

I find your insults petty, groundless, and uninformed.

Petty, maybe. I'll give you that. I tend to go over the top sometimes.
But groundless and uninformed, no. Do you think, that after you die you get your own planet? That your messiah is a guy who found some magic blocks that said Missouri was the garden of Eden?

Why are religions above criticism?

But please, do continue with the breathless attempts to present yourself as a bigoted jerk. These never cease to amuse me. (Or rather, don't, and learn how to debate without the mudflinging. I've found that to be the more effected method over the years, but hey. Whatever lifts your skirts.)

I do go over the top sometimes, I do apologize. Perhaps I should explain why I think that Mormonism is a ridiculous religion, before I go off mudslinging.
I apologize.

What else never ceases to amaze is how insulting, derogatory, and outright inflammatory people can be when spouting their hatred, misguided or otherwise, of anyone and anything remotely of a religious bent,

Not all religions. Only stupid ones.

but powers that be forbid if the tables are ever turned. Then it's all 'bastard religious assholes' this, and 'intolerant idiots' that.

Because they've been the ones doing the oppressing for, oh, two thousand years? More? I have no tolerance for a stupid system of belief. I have inherent respect for people who hold them as human beings, and would die for their right to hold it. But converting religions, religions that actively try to oppress, and those that carry that out, I don't. Big difference.

I wonder sometimes if some of you ever stop to actually read what you're writing and think how it must look from a point of view that isn't yours, and how you would react to these same phrases were they turned on you.

I'll take it on a case-by-case basis. But you're right. I need to be less emotional. I apologize for coming off hot-headed. I'll cool off from now on

[The Rich Port]

The polygamy wouldn't be a problem, really. The racism, on the other hand, would be.

The raping of little girls would be a bit of a sticking point for me.

If you can't marry a damn minor, you shouldn't be able to marry 5.

Again, polygamy wouldn't be a problem if it's practised... You know, like normal marriage, between consenting adults.

[Vousielle]

Is it safe to have a Christian as President?

[The Rich Port]

Is it safe to have a Christian as President?

If George W. Bush wasn't any indication, NO.

But he didn't suck because he was Christian. He sucked for a bunch of other reasons.

[Ashmoria]

The raping of little girls would be a bit of a sticking point for me.

If you can't marry a damn minor, you shouldn't be able to marry 5.

Again, polygamy wouldn't be a problem if it's practised... You know, like normal marriage, between consenting adults.

as long as divorce is easy to obtain.

and property rights and child custody/responsibility are handled justly.

[The Rich Port]

If you can't marry a damn minor, you shouldn't be able to marry 5.

Again, polygamy wouldn't be a problem if it's practised... You know, like normal marriage, between consenting adults.

as long as divorce is easy to obtain.

and property rights and child custody/responsibility are handled justly.

To be fair, it's hard enough for homosexuals to handle divorce appropriately, so I guess I don't know how the hell the goddamn courts are going to handle multiple marriages between the same people.

[Ashmoria]

Is it safe to have a Christian as President?

If George W. Bush wasn't any indication, NO.

But he didn't suck because he was Christian. He sucked for a bunch of other reasons.

god was telling him some pretty sketchy stuff.

maybe it was an abrahamic kinda test that mr bush failed.

[Ashmoria]

as long as divorce is easy to obtain.

and property rights and child custody/responsibility are handled justly.

To be fair, it's hard enough for homosexuals to handle divorce appropriately, so I guess I don't know how the hell the goddamn courts are going to handle multiple marriages between the same people.

we have good laws to cover the divorce of 2 married people.

how to deal with 1 of 4 sisterwives divorcing the group and getting the support and property settlement she deserves and getting some custody of the children that she didnt make herself is far more complicated.

[Totalitariana]

Anyone BUT Mitt Romney!

[Geilinor]

I don't think Romney's religion matters.

[Katganistan]

The one concern I have is how much the Mormon church appears to push its people into politics (as in seeking office), like they are trying to gain positions of power for their co-religionists. It makes me uneasy when you look at Romney's candidacy. What do they think they can gain for their church?

Now, I know there are plenty of actual Christian denominations and organisations (I don't care what Mormons claim about their church being another denomination, their doctrine doesn't remotely support this position) who have politically active people in positions of leadership (yeah, I'm looking at you, Focus on the Family), there isn't a single one of them that appear to push their people into political office as a denominations. It could be ok, but it might not. Frankly, their religion is way too secretive to really be sure.

(That's aside from me wondering about the sanity of anyone who can believe the bad 1950s sci-fi B-movie that is their basic conception of cosmology. They tell you right off the bat that they want you to base your trust in their religion off a "feeling of truthfulness". Any Christian will tell you this is backwards. Any Jew or Muslim, too, for that matter.)

Now, in general, I follow Martin Luther's dictum that "I would rather be governed by a competent Turk (i.e. Muslim) than an incompetent Christian", but the office-seeking history of the Mormon religion makes me uneasy.

Ye Gods, what evil plan have the Protestants been cooking up since forever, since they've MOSTLY held the Presidency (except that one Catholic)!!!

Seriously, what?

[Katganistan]

A mormon is better than a socialist.

No. Go read up on the Morons.

A politician's religious beliefs are irrelevant to me.

Wrong. Scientologist and Morons cant be presidents.

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[Salandriagado]

Of all of the things to complain about with Romney, you pick his religion? Seriously?

[Gauthier]

There is nothing dangerous about a Mormon president.
Or a Muslim one.
Or an Athiest one.
Or a LaVeyan one.

Or any religion for that matter.

It's as ridiculous as not voting for a candidate on race, or gender, or age, or if they were born in New Jersey.

Mormons pumped money into the Proposition 8 campaign in California.

Don't tell me they wouldn't be dangerous gay rights and possibly race relations if they had a direct hand in government.

[Salandriagado]

There is nothing dangerous about a Mormon president.
Or a Muslim one.
Or an Athiest one.
Or a LaVeyan one.

Or any religion for that matter.

It's as ridiculous as not voting for a candidate on race, or gender, or age, or if they were born in New Jersey.

Mormons pumped money into the Proposition 8 campaign in California.

Don't tell me they wouldn't be dangerous gay rights and possibly race relations if they had a direct hand in government.

The fact that he's a crazy bigot is a reason to not want him as president. His religion isn't.

[Gauthier]

Mormons pumped money into the Proposition 8 campaign in California.

Don't tell me they wouldn't be dangerous gay rights and possibly race relations if they had a direct hand in government.

The fact that he's a crazy bigot is a reason to not want him as president. His religion isn't.

And if said religion is chock full of crazy bigots that had to be yanked slowly towards equality and yet still pushes divisiveness given the chance, then it's not a reason?