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Postby The Cosmos » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:39 am

Myself, I do not have a very high view of Mitt Romney. However, I have no objection to a Mormon occcupying the Presidential office, as long as the person is not a member of the FDC (or the polygamist Mormons).
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:42 am

The Cosmos wrote:Myself, I do not have a very high view of Mitt Romney. However, I have no objection to a Mormon occcupying the Presidential office, as long as the person is not a member of the FDC (or the polygamist Mormons).


The polygamy wouldn't be a problem, really. The racism, on the other hand, would be.

Really, though, one would be assuming that The Mitt would get into office in the first place if we're going along with this train of thought, and The Mitt has about as much chance as George W. Bush has of finding WMDs in Iraq.

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Postby Jinos » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:52 am

The Rich Port wrote:Religion doesn't seem to factor a lot into Americans' decisions these days.


Unless you're a Muslim or an Atheist.

In that case, it factors in a lot.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:55 am

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The Rich Port wrote:Religion doesn't seem to factor a lot into Americans' decisions these days.


Unless you're a Muslim or an Atheist.

In that case, it factors in a lot.


Difference between religion and "religion".

For the most part, people who are "religious" don't do things in the name of God. They do it for... Well, everything else.

Acceptance into a group, rewards, glory, esteem, comfort, altruism, positions of power, etc.

Spirituality is the secondary purpose of religion, if not the sole secondary purpose of it.

But I suppose I can't speak for Muslims or Atheists.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:07 am

The Cosmos wrote:Myself, I do not have a very high view of Mitt Romney. However, I have no objection to a Mormon occcupying the Presidential office, as long as the person is not a member of the FDC (or the polygamist Mormons).

Would they all be first wives or would they be numbered? And why, of all the things that you might find fault with a religion would this one thing change things?
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:52 pm

For fuck's sake, Romney has a shitload of things making him illegible for the presidency. Being a Mormon is not one of them.
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Postby Pendragonia » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:58 pm

The Rich Port wrote:98% of Catholic women don't wholly follow the Catholic Church's views on contraception.

The poor and the disabled are seen as drains on society.

The rich and powerful continue to be rich and powerful, despite the fact they may have acquired their wealth illegally.

Religion doesn't seem to factor a lot into Americans' decisions these days ever.


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Postby Death Metal » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:10 pm

There is nothing dangerous about a Mormon president.
Or a Muslim one.
Or an Athiest one.
Or a LaVeyan one.

Or any religion for that matter.

It's as ridiculous as not voting for a candidate on race, or gender, or age, or if they were born in New Jersey.
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Death Metal wrote: or if they were born in New Jersey.

No, that's a very good reason for not voting them in.
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Postby Putria » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:20 pm

Fellow Posters, as the resident member of the Church of Jesus Christ and of Latter Day Saints, I feel like it is my duty to dispell any misconceptions everyone may have about my Faith.

Racism? Seriously in question. For a religion that openly freed slaves 30 years before the Civil War, I find that mighty impressive.
Homophobic? My Ward (or local grouping of fellow members) has several open Gay members in it. Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.
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Postby Cromarty » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:23 pm

So long as they kept their religion separate from their politics, then sure.

Just in the same way I'd expect a Catholic, a Baptist, a Muslim, a Hindu or a Satanist to.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:25 pm

Yes.

Now is it safe to have Romney as President?

Hell the fuck no.
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Postby Cameroi » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:04 am

it isn't safe to have ANYTHING as president. i remember this same silliness argument of religious prejudice against kennidy.
i wouldn't want romney for president, but not bacause his religion has anything to do with it.

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Postby Tekania » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:49 am

Well, if it were between Romney and Santorum; all as I can say the presence of that second "M" is important.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:52 am

The Rich Port wrote:
The Cosmos wrote:Myself, I do not have a very high view of Mitt Romney. However, I have no objection to a Mormon occcupying the Presidential office, as long as the person is not a member of the FDC (or the polygamist Mormons).


The polygamy wouldn't be a problem, really. The racism, on the other hand, would be.

The raping of little girls would be a bit of a sticking point for me.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:54 am

what would a mormon president do that a protestant president wouldnt do?
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Postby Risottia » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:54 am

Eleutheria wrote:the man is part of the most ludicrous and most obviously man made religion i can think of

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Postby Bottle » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:08 am

Putria wrote:Fellow Posters, as the resident member of the Church of Jesus Christ and of Latter Day Saints, I feel like it is my duty to dispell any misconceptions everyone may have about my Faith.

Racism? Seriously in question. For a religion that openly freed slaves 30 years before the Civil War, I find that mighty impressive.

A religion that only allowed black to become priestholders in 1978?

And, oh my heck, guess what else was going on right around the time that the leaders of the Mormon Church got word from God that they should stop being so overtly racist...hmm, the Sao Paolo Temple was being built (finished in September of 1978). A massively expensive temple that was part of the expanding conversion efforts in Brazil. You know, Brazil? Where the people are not so much with the being pure whitey-whites? Where 85% of the new converts would probably not stick around and keep paying their dues if they were flat out told that they wouldn't be allowed into the best parts of Heaven?

Where would ANYBODY get the idea that such an organization had a problem with race relations???

It's true that Joseph Smith was an abolitionist, and that's literally the best thing I can say about the guy. But Smith died, and Brigham Young took over, and then some black guy in Navoo decided to get all uppity and marry himself a bunch of white women, including a white woman Brigham Young wanted to, ahem, cover with the protection of his priesthood if you know what I mean, and suddenly God was revealing the Curse of Cain to Young.

At least black people will get to become "white and delightsome" if they're righteous though, right? (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 30:6)

Putria wrote:Homophobic? My Ward (or local grouping of fellow members) has several open Gay members in it. Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.

Proposition 8.

I mean seriously. I'm not even gonna dignify your claims with anything more than that.
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Postby IMR1fley » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:12 am

Putria wrote:Fellow Posters, as the resident member of the Church of Jesus Christ and of Latter Day Saints, I feel like it is my duty to dispell any misconceptions everyone may have about my Faith.

Racism? Seriously in question. For a religion that openly freed slaves 30 years before the Civil War, I find that mighty impressive.
Homophobic? My Ward (or local grouping of fellow members) has several open Gay members in it. Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.


I happen to be a Mormon as well, and all the above are true.

One thing that we believe that contradicts everything you have said about us, is what we call "free agency." We believe you were sent to make choices here on earth. The choices you make here will effect what your outcome is, but we wont prosecute you here on earth. This isn't the dark ages people.
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Putria wrote:Fellow Posters, as the resident member of the Church of Jesus Christ and of Latter Day Saints, I feel like it is my duty to dispell any misconceptions everyone may have about my Faith.

Racism? Seriously in question. For a religion that openly freed slaves 30 years before the Civil War, I find that mighty impressive.
Homophobic? My Ward (or local grouping of fellow members) has several open Gay members in it. Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.


I happen to be a Mormon as well, and all the above are true.

One thing that we believe that contradicts everything you have said about us, is what we call "free agency." We believe you were sent to make choices here on earth. The choices you make here will effect what your outcome is, but we wont prosecute you here on earth. This isn't the dark ages people.

Use your free will to take it up with your church leadership. Get them to stop campaigning for bigotry, and maybe people will stop assuming that your religion is one of bigotry.
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Postby New Conglomerate » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:27 am

Sure it's safe to have a Mormon as President.

It's just not safe to have Romney as President.
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Postby IMR1fley » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:30 am

New Conglomerate wrote:Sure it's safe to have a Mormon as President.

It's just not safe to have Romney as President.


Now your opinion I understand. I was of similar opinion when Obama was up for election.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:33 am

IMR1fley wrote:
New Conglomerate wrote:Sure it's safe to have a Mormon as President.

It's just not safe to have Romney as President.


Now your opinion I understand. I was of similar opinion when Obama was up for election.

"I have no problems with a black president, in fact, I'm all for it.

I just don't want that one."

Romney would be wrong for America if he were a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Baptist. The man hasn't taken a strong stance on anything that's lasted more than an election cycle, if that.
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Eleutheria wrote:I'd be interested to hear from any of you Republicans out there on NS?

:lol: That's a good one, Republicans. Almost evrybody on NS is a liberal.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:39 am

Basra wrote:
Eleutheria wrote:I'd be interested to hear from any of you Republicans out there on NS?

:lol: That's a good one, Republicans. Almost evrybody on NS is a liberal.
I want Mitt Romney to win because he's the only candidate that I think will be able to win enough independants to get Mr. Socialist out of office. Since in America we have separation of church and state unlike the backwards country you apparently live in Romney won't create policies based on his retarded religion.

of course he would create policies based on his retarded religion. not "all HHS employees must read the book of mormon" kinda policies but his religion is a big part of his life and it informs his opinions of how things ought to be run.

same for any president.

i dont see that the end result would be particularly different from what any republican would do.
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