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Postby Hippostania » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:30 am

A mormon is better than a socialist.
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Postby Kaeshar » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:32 am

Aren't you usually for socialism Hippotania?

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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:32 am

Kryozerkia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Religion doesn't seem to factor a lot into Americans' decisions these days.

In some instances, yes, in others no. See: gay marriage, contraception, abortion...


That's "religion".

Certainly, it's a factor with voters , but people, especially politicians, are quick to forget... Everything else.

Hippostania wrote:A mormon is better than a socialist.


... Because... Mormonism is an economic system? :blink:

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Postby The Corparation » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:35 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Hippostania wrote:A mormon is better than a socialist.


... Because... Mormonism is an economic system? :blink:

Obviously, you've never read the communist philosophies of Brigham Marx?
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Postby Olthar » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:35 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Hippostania wrote:A mormon is better than a socialist.


... Because... Mormonism is an economic system? :blink:

Yes. The Mormonism system generally involves large subsidies for underwear manufacturers.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:37 am

The Corparation wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:

... Because... Mormonism is an economic system? :blink:

Obviously, you've never read the communist philosophies of Brigham Marx?


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Postby Alyakia » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:37 am

A CATHOLIC MORMON AS PRESIDENT? WHY DON'T YOU JUST FLY TO THE VATICAN UTAH AND HAND OVER SOVERGINITY PERSONALLY?
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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:38 am

Hippostania wrote:A mormon is better than a socialist.


Hippo is more prejudice against anything on the left then Hitler was to Jews, Blacks, and generally anyone who wouldn't support him.
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Postby The-_Sicarii » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:39 am

Bottle wrote:Here's the thing about religious people.

I've met Catholics who profess to believe that the Pope is God's voice on Earth. I've met Mormons who believe that the leadership of their church are God's prophets and speak with the literal voice of the Divine. I've met Protestants of many stripes who believe that their church leadership has routine and direct contact with God, and speaks with his authority.

And I've never met a single politician who believed in any power higher than his own ego.

I wouldn't sweat it. The kind of Mormon who runs for president isn't the kind who actually drinks the koolaid himself.


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Postby Tekania » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:44 am

Eleutheria wrote:It seems that you Republicans are desperate to have that mormon as the republican presidential candidate, I mean supposing you were an american and a republican (i am neither), how could you cast your vote for mitt romney? the man is part of the most ludicrous and most obviously man made religion i can think of, its not only ludicrous but allied with racism, sexism and bigotry as well, could there be a worse candidate to run the "land of the free"? Obama is by no means perfect, but at least he doesn't believe that ridiculous book full of false religious dogma, written by the lifelong opiate smoker, and founder of the mormon church, joseph smith, who claims to have seen an angel who told him where these "golden plates" were buried so that he could dig them up and translate them from some unspeakable hebrew dialect into what would become the book of mormon. and when someone took away the translations (which he had obviously made up) and asked him to repeat them exactly so that he could prove he really was translating from golden plates, and he said that god had given him a different set of plates so he couldnt translate what he had before, these "plates" also propounded the extremely racist doctrine that black people were special but lesser creations of god, and that the colour of their skin was a sign that they were inferior, why would anyone believe in this idiocy? why would anyone vote for a man that did? I'd be interested to hear from any of you Republicans out there on NS?


Well, you know what is really sad? Even in light of all that... he's still more sane and level headed than other GOP contenders.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:46 am

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Eleutheria wrote:It seems that you Republicans are desperate to have that mormon as the republican presidential candidate, I mean supposing you were an american and a republican (i am neither), how could you cast your vote for mitt romney? the man is part of the most ludicrous and most obviously man made religion i can think of, its not only ludicrous but allied with racism, sexism and bigotry as well, could there be a worse candidate to run the "land of the free"? Obama is by no means perfect, but at least he doesn't believe that ridiculous book full of false religious dogma, written by the lifelong opiate smoker, and founder of the mormon church, joseph smith, who claims to have seen an angel who told him where these "golden plates" were buried so that he could dig them up and translate them from some unspeakable hebrew dialect into what would become the book of mormon. and when someone took away the translations (which he had obviously made up) and asked him to repeat them exactly so that he could prove he really was translating from golden plates, and he said that god had given him a different set of plates so he couldnt translate what he had before, these "plates" also propounded the extremely racist doctrine that black people were special but lesser creations of god, and that the colour of their skin was a sign that they were inferior, why would anyone believe in this idiocy? why would anyone vote for a man that did? I'd be interested to hear from any of you Republicans out there on NS?


Well, you know what is really sad? Even in light of all that... he's still more sane and level headed than other GOP contenders.


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Postby Natty Narwhal » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:47 am

Personally, I hope Romney or some other religious candidate becomes President. I, myself, am not religious, or even a Republican; I just want the populace to face the consequences of electing people like him.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:48 am

A politician's religious beliefs are irrelevant to me.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:52 am

Genivaria wrote:A politician's religious beliefs are irrelevant to me.


And as perfect as you are, Geni, some people can only aspire to those same heights.

This may or may not be sarcasm. /)^3^(\

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:53 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Genivaria wrote:A politician's religious beliefs are irrelevant to me.


And as perfect as you are, Geni, some people can only aspire to those same heights.

This may or may not be sarcasm. /)^3^(\

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Postby Inutoland » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:54 am

The one concern I have is how much the Mormon church appears to push its people into politics (as in seeking office), like they are trying to gain positions of power for their co-religionists. It makes me uneasy when you look at Romney's candidacy. What do they think they can gain for their church?

Now, I know there are plenty of actual Christian denominations and organisations (I don't care what Mormons claim about their church being another denomination, their doctrine doesn't remotely support this position) who have politically active people in positions of leadership (yeah, I'm looking at you, Focus on the Family), there isn't a single one of them that appear to push their people into political office as a denominations. It could be ok, but it might not. Frankly, their religion is way too secretive to really be sure.

(That's aside from me wondering about the sanity of anyone who can believe the bad 1950s sci-fi B-movie that is their basic conception of cosmology. They tell you right off the bat that they want you to base your trust in their religion off a "feeling of truthfulness". Any Christian will tell you this is backwards. Any Jew or Muslim, too, for that matter.)

Now, in general, I follow Martin Luther's dictum that "I would rather be governed by a competent Turk (i.e. Muslim) than an incompetent Christian", but the office-seeking history of the Mormon religion makes me uneasy.
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Postby Natty Narwhal » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:57 am

Hippostania wrote:A mormon is better than a socialist.

For you, maybe.
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Postby Wellboneland » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:58 am

Hippostania wrote:A mormon is better than a socialist.

No. Go read up on the Morons.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:59 am

Eleutheria wrote:It seems that you Republicans are desperate to have that mormon as the republican presidential candidate,

Really? That's what you see? Not that they're in fact desperate to find anyone else to nominate, it's just every alternate choice they have border on banging a spoon on the cereal bowl on their head nuts? With Romeny's support not really moving from that 30 or so percent and the fortunes of almost every other candidate rising at some point (Sorry Paul, Huntsman, and Pawlenty...), or the fact that a guy with a now funny definition for his name just won three states in a row...that's what you're calling 'desperate' to have a Mormon as the Republican candidate?

Bottle touched on this sort of, but went another direction with it. Catholics practice ritual cannibalism on a weekly basis...once you've given up the conceit that people gather in buildings to talk about how awesome their imaginary friend is, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that one is particularly more made up than the others.
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Postby Wellboneland » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:59 am

Genivaria wrote:A politician's religious beliefs are irrelevant to me.

Wrong. Scientologist and Morons cant be presidents.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:02 am

Natty Narwhal wrote:Personally, I hope Romney or some other religious candidate becomes President. I, myself, am not religious, or even a Republican; I just want the populace to face the consequences of electing people like him.

It depends on how severely Mormon a president Romney turns out to be. There is that little clause in the First Amendment prohibiting the establishment of a religion. Of course, that's establishment by Congress, but the President's powers don't run to that. It isn't as if he can issue an Executive Order proclaiming Mormonism to be the official religion of the United States of America. Well, I suppose he could but the firestorm that would ignite would melt his face off.

The attitudes towards women and gays, and the general worldview ingrained by Mormonism are more of a worry, especially in a man as severely conservative as Mitt Romney is. I mean, really, look at what he did in Massachusetts with health care and all.
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Postby West Failure » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:10 am

I can't help thinking Little Jimmy Osmond would make a better Mormon candidate.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:13 am

Wellboneland wrote:
Genivaria wrote:A politician's religious beliefs are irrelevant to me.

Morons cant be presidents.


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Postby The Corparation » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:20 am

To be honest I don't care, he could be from one of those crazy offshoot cults for all I care, so long as he isn't a puppet for the church leaders and doesn't try to force his beliefs on the populace, his religion is irrelevant to his ability to govern.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:33 am

The Corparation wrote:To be honest I don't care, he could be from one of those crazy offshoot cults for all I care, so long as he isn't a puppet for the church leaders and doesn't try to force his beliefs on the populace, his religion is irrelevant to his ability to govern.


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