Mitt Romney-is it safe to have a Mormon as President?

[Bottle]

Also, I think this belongs here:

http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/

[EnragedMaldivians]

Look at your sig.

Tell me what's the difference between refusing to vote for someone because s/he is a Sunni and refusing to vote for someone because he's Mormon?

If a Mitt Romney is a Mormon who will actually defer to scripture as a basis for policy, fair enough - but not voting for him just because he is Mormon is exactly like not voting for someone because s/he is Sunni/Catholic/Whatever.

Except far as I can tell there isn't any significant sectarian split amongst the Mormons. Plus when was the last time Muslims pumped money into an American campaign to legalize discrimination? Proposition 8 is proof that Mormons would try to subvert law to suit their bigotted beliefs given the opportunity. Can't say Muslims as a whole would try to do something similar in the United States given a chance.

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf

But Muslim Americans are not consistently liberal on all political questions. A solid majority (61%) says that homosexuality is a way of life that should be discouraged by society. Just 27% say homosexuality should be accepted, compared with 51% of the general public. Similarly, 59% of Muslim Americans believe that the government should do more to protect morality in society, while 29% worry that government is getting too involved in promoting morality. Among the general public, 51% worries about too much government involvement in protecting morality.

(approximately half are Sunni, 16% Shi'ites, the rest non-specific/other)

Dissapointing? Yes. But if a soild Muslim candidate comes along, I see no reason not to vote for her. And to exclude the possibility altogether because of her adherence to Islam (whicever sect) is rather silly, in my opinion. I think the same should hold true of Mormons. If a soild Mormon comes candidate along, that has no intention of imposing his faith on public policy - not voting for him, solely on the basis that he's Mormon, would be silly.

Though I will add, that since Mitt Romney isn't one of those Mormons - for the love of all that is decent, keep him the fuck away from the oval office.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Really?

There are a billion and two things wrong with Mitt Romney, and you latch on to the fact that he's a Mormon? Couldn't you be a bit more creative?

[The Rich Port]

Couldn't you be a bit more creative?

Probably not.

[Bontivate]

Having a Mormon as President is about as dangerous as having a Christian as President. So essentially, it's very dangerous. Nah, just kiddin'. I'd say Mitt Romney is currently the least dangerous Republican candidate. He doesn't seem like he'd execute gays (Santorum) or set up child labor sweat shops (Gingrich).

[Nationstatelandsville]

Having a Mormon as President is about as dangerous as having a Christian as President. So essentially, it's very dangerous. Nah, just kiddin'. I'd say Mitt Romney is currently the least dangerous Republican candidate. He doesn't seem like he'd execute gays (Santorum) or set up child labor sweat shops (Gingrich).

He would, however, lead his army of time-displaced Terminators in taking over Iran.

So there's that.

[Bontivate]

Having a Mormon as President is about as dangerous as having a Christian as President. So essentially, it's very dangerous. Nah, just kiddin'. I'd say Mitt Romney is currently the least dangerous Republican candidate. He doesn't seem like he'd execute gays (Santorum) or set up child labor sweat shops (Gingrich).

He would, however, lead his army of time-displaced Terminators in taking over Iran.

So there's that.

Well, that isn't dangerous to America, only to foreigners. And foreigners don't get to vote in our elections.

[Genivaria]

Change the word 'Mormon' to the word 'Jew' and you'll realize how backwards this entire line of thinking is.

[Ovisterra]

I don't want Mitt Romney in the White House not because of his Mormonism, but just because I don't think he'd make a good president.

[Gauthier]

Change the word 'Mormon' to the word 'Jew' and you'll realize how backwards this entire line of thinking is.

Jews didn't pump money into passing Proposition 8.

[The Rich Port]

Change the word 'Mormon' to the word 'Jew' and you'll realize how backwards this entire line of thinking is.

Hey, since you brought it up...

[Cill Charthaigh]

most ludicrous and most obviously man made religion i can think of

Look, someone's calling! Who could it be?

Oh, yeah, also, loving the "bigotry" part and the part where you group all Mormon's beliefs all into one.

[Putria]

I would have to be ignorant to not see how offensive thay may be to some faiths, I personally would be honored if a Jewish faith offered me a similiar gift, but that is because I was raised in a different Religious culture. But our Commandments are already given; we cannot simply stop because popular demand says so.

If you are seriously arguing that you are incapable of stopping when somebody says stop because your religion tells you to do something, then you just provided an absolutely convincing argument for why NOBODY of your faith should ever be allowed to serve in public office. Hell, you're making a good case for why you shouldn't be permitted to walk free at all...

Now, I personally think you're quite capable of stopping when people say stop. I think you choose to continue doing things that you know are offensive and rude, for a range of reasons which all just boil down to garden variety character flaws and cultural problems. I don't think your rudeness is actually a sign that Mormonism is a pathology, it's just a sign that you, personally, are acting like a jerk. I wouldn't vote for YOU for that reason, but I also wouldn't automatically hold it against all people who are Mormon.

You took that about... 3 and a half thousands miles too far.

[Cill Charthaigh]

Also, I think this belongs here:

http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/

Mitt Romney is now gay and/or dead. Oops.

[Bottle]

If you are seriously arguing that you are incapable of stopping when somebody says stop because your religion tells you to do something, then you just provided an absolutely convincing argument for why NOBODY of your faith should ever be allowed to serve in public office. Hell, you're making a good case for why you shouldn't be permitted to walk free at all...

Now, I personally think you're quite capable of stopping when people say stop. I think you choose to continue doing things that you know are offensive and rude, for a range of reasons which all just boil down to garden variety character flaws and cultural problems. I don't think your rudeness is actually a sign that Mormonism is a pathology, it's just a sign that you, personally, are acting like a jerk. I wouldn't vote for YOU for that reason, but I also wouldn't automatically hold it against all people who are Mormon.

You took that about... 3 and a half thousands miles too far.

Again with this weird attitude that you get to dictate how other people should feel about your behavior. Sorry, but you have no right to have people be okay with your rudeness.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Change the word 'Mormon' to the word 'Jew' and you'll realize how backwards this entire line of thinking is.

Jews didn't pump money into passing Proposition 8.

Change it to Sunni Muslim or Catholic then. They've hardly been progressive religions historically, when it comes to gay rights/women/whatnot and I've given you a link to a survey that indicates that the majority of one of those groups, within the American context want to expand the scope of the state in enforcing morality, condemning homosexuality. But if a decent candidate comes along...what's the point in holding his faith against him, if he's not actually going to enforce it?

The Catholic Church is hardly an innocent organization, yet its still poor taste to say that you won't vote for a Catholic candidate, because he's Catholic.

If you are seriously arguing that you are incapable of stopping when somebody says stop because your religion tells you to do something, then you just provided an absolutely convincing argument for why NOBODY of your faith should ever be allowed to serve in public office. Hell, you're making a good case for why you shouldn't be permitted to walk free at all...

Now, I personally think you're quite capable of stopping when people say stop. I think you choose to continue doing things that you know are offensive and rude, for a range of reasons which all just boil down to garden variety character flaws and cultural problems. I don't think your rudeness is actually a sign that Mormonism is a pathology, it's just a sign that you, personally, are acting like a jerk. I wouldn't vote for YOU for that reason, but I also wouldn't automatically hold it against all people who are Mormon.

You took that about... 3 and a half thousands miles too far.

Nowhere near the same level as baptizing deceased members of other religious groups.

[Astrolinium]

John F. Kennedy-is it safe to have a Catholic as President?

[Gauthier]

John F. Kennedy-is it safe to have a Catholic as President?

Kennedy never pushed a Catholic agenda in the White House.

Thanks for playing.

[Wellboneland]

Of all of the things to complain about with Romney, you pick his religion? Seriously?

This.

[The Republic of Lanos]

John F. Kennedy-is it safe to have a Catholic as President?

Too late. Already happened.

[Disserbia]

So you've never heard of scientology...

[Putria]

You took that about... 3 and a half thousands miles too far.

Again with this weird attitude that you get to dictate how other people should feel about your behavior. Sorry, but you have no right to have people be okay with your rudeness.

If you are seriously arguing that you are incapable of stopping when somebody says stop because your religion tells you to do something, then you just provided an absolutely convincing argument for why NOBODY of your faith should ever be allowed to serve in public office. Hell, you're making a good case for why you shouldn't be permitted to walk free at all...
Now, I personally think you're quite capable of stopping when people say stop. I think you choose to continue doing things that you know are offensive and rude, for a range of reasons which all just boil down to garden variety character flaws and cultural problems. I don't think your rudeness is actually a sign that Mormonism is a pathology, it's just a sign that you, personally, are acting like a jerk. I wouldn't vote for YOU for that reason, but I also wouldn't automatically hold it against all people who are Mormon.

Both are incredibly personal and extremely offensive. Probably on the scale of reporting to Moderators.

[Gauthier]

So you've never heard of scientology...

A $cientologist President would never push a Couchhopper agenda in office, never!

[EnragedMaldivians]

John F. Kennedy-is it safe to have a Catholic as President?

Kennedy never pushed a Catholic agenda in the White House.

Thanks for playing.

That's kinda the point; if a Mormon comes along that doesn't push a Mormon agenda, it's hardly fair to hold his religious affiliation against him; same with a Muslim that doesn't want to enforce Sharia law; same with a Hindu that doesn't want to change the constitution to Vedic scripture. Shouldn't it depend on the person and not the religious affiliation?

Are Mormons (not Mitt Romney but in general) more incapable of keeping their faith seperate from public policy than members of whatever sect of Muslim/Christians,/Jews/other? I don't buy it.

In any event, wasn't there significant Catholic backing for proposition 8 as well?

[Bottle]

Again with this weird attitude that you get to dictate how other people should feel about your behavior. Sorry, but you have no right to have people be okay with your rudeness.

If you are seriously arguing that you are incapable of stopping when somebody says stop because your religion tells you to do something, then you just provided an absolutely convincing argument for why NOBODY of your faith should ever be allowed to serve in public office. Hell, you're making a good case for why you shouldn't be permitted to walk free at all...
Now, I personally think you're quite capable of stopping when people say stop. I think you choose to continue doing things that you know are offensive and rude, for a range of reasons which all just boil down to garden variety character flaws and cultural problems. I don't think your rudeness is actually a sign that Mormonism is a pathology, it's just a sign that you, personally, are acting like a jerk. I wouldn't vote for YOU for that reason, but I also wouldn't automatically hold it against all people who are Mormon.

Both are incredibly personal and extremely offensive. Probably on the scale of reporting to Moderators.

Go right ahead. I stand by everything I said.

Also, do try to remember that this whole thing is about how Mormon people persist in baptizing dead people even after countless people have expressed how much the practice offends them. Do you really want to try to whine about how offended you are that I'm offended by that behavior? I mean, go right ahead and all, but don't say I didn't warn you.