Rick Santorum Megathread: A Frothy Mixture of Opinions

[Lakeland]

Thank you for acknowledging reality, unlike some of your threadmates.

Actually I was comparing the respective environmental situations.

I'll cut right to the chase with the job market:

Production went overseas because it was cheaper to produce overseas. No amount of government policy will change that.

Government policy which prohibits outsourcing. Also corporate policy which discourages it. de-liberalization of trade laws, etc. There's plenty of government policy that can change it. China was just as cheap in the 50's as it is now.

[Wikkiwallana]

Actually I was comparing the respective environmental situations.

I'll cut right to the chase with the job market:

Production went overseas because it was cheaper to produce overseas. No amount of government policy will change that.

Government policy which prohibits outsourcing. Also corporate policy which discourages it. de-liberalization of trade laws, etc. There's plenty of government policy that can change it. China was just as cheap in the 50's as it is now.

When it was run by Mao who was busy accidentally killing his own people left and right and we were in a war with communism.

Edit: typo

[Lakeland]

And now it's men, much better this way.

Do you live in the real world, or are you from some imaginary one? That would work to explain a lot about your past series of posts and viewpoints.

Sorry, who receives more government handouts preferential treatment, etc. Men or Women? Who makes up the majority of students on campuses now. Men or Women? Women make up the majority of students on campus yet still have many more programs designed to help them and only them. Yay, reverse discrimination is great!

[Hittanryan]

Government policy which prohibits outsourcing. Also corporate policy which discourages it. de-liberalization of trade laws, etc. There's plenty of government policy that can change it. China was just as cheap in the 50's as it is now.

When it was run by Mao who was busy accidentally killing his own people left and right and we were in a war with communism.

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And didn't have the infrastructure to support heavy industry, the entire reason behind the Great Leap Forward.

[Lakeland]

Government policy which prohibits outsourcing. Also corporate policy which discourages it. de-liberalization of trade laws, etc. There's plenty of government policy that can change it. China was just as cheap in the 50's as it is now.

When it was run by Mao who was busy accidentally killing his own people left and right and we were in a war with communism.

Edit: typo

And didn't have the lopsided trade agreement we have with them now. Way more tariffs on our goods going in then their goods coming out, that's not "free trade".

[United Dependencies]

Government policy which prohibits outsourcing. Also corporate policy which discourages it. de-liberalization of trade laws, etc. There's plenty of government policy that can change it. China was just as cheap in the 50's as it is now.

The textile mills and other simple manufacturing jobs are not coming back. It doesn't matter why they went at this point in time.

Even if minimum wage was repealed tomorrow, citizens would not work for the same wage that manufacturing companies pay currently to their employees.

[Kaeshar]

Government policy which prohibits outsourcing. Also corporate policy which discourages it. de-liberalization of trade laws, etc. There's plenty of government policy that can change it. China was just as cheap in the 50's as it is now.

When it was run by Mao who was busy accidentally killing his own people left and right and we were in a war with communism.

Edit: typo

Also the taxes in China are LOW. In that link you posted Wikki, even though the US is listed as 4th, take a look at the numbers between China and the US.

Its no surprise that Singapore is at the top though because it is a trading powerhouse.

[Wikkiwallana]

When it was run by Mao who was busy accidentally killing his own people left and right and we were in a war with communism.

Edit: typo

And didn't have the infrastructure to support heavy industry, the entire reason behind the Great Leap Forward.

I thought the reason behind the Great Leap Forward was that saying no to Chairman Mao, no matter how dumb his idea, was literal suicide.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Government policy which prohibits outsourcing. Also corporate policy which discourages it. de-liberalization of trade laws, etc. There's plenty of government policy that can change it. China was just as cheap in the 50's as it is now.

The textile mills and other simple manufacturing jobs are not coming back. It doesn't matter why they went at this point in time.

Even if minimum wage was repealed tomorrow, citizens would not work for the same wage that manufacturing companies pay currently to their employees.

They very well could, depending on how India and China develop. Their wages are rising much faster than productivity, so it might be possible that transport costs will outweigh labor savings in the future.

[Wikkiwallana]

When it was run by Mao who was busy accidentally killing his own people left and right and we were in a war with communism.

Edit: typo

And didn't have the lopsided trade agreement we have with them now. Way more tariffs on our goods going in then their goods coming out, that's not "free trade".

Yes, let's all focus on the "important" things. The reason Johnny Analogyman can't walk isn't because he has no right leg, it's because his left leg has a stubbed toe.

[Revolutopia]

Do you live in the real world, or are you from some imaginary one? That would work to explain a lot about your past series of posts and viewpoints.

Sorry, who receives more government handouts preferential treatment, etc. Men or Women? Who makes up the majority of students on campuses now. Men or Women? Women make up the majority of students on campus yet still have many more programs designed to help them and only them. Yay, reverse discrimination is great!

You mean women are more advantaged in how there are still more of them in poverty and having to take care of kids, thus receive more in government assistance? Yeah that truly is a real advantage.

And for the other stuff source please of all the benefits women get that us poor men are denied.

[Kaeshar]

And didn't have the infrastructure to support heavy industry, the entire reason behind the Great Leap Forward.

I thought the reason behind the Great Leap Forward was that saying no to Chairman Mao, no matter how dumb his idea, was literal suicide.

No, it was all about industrializing China and bringing it into the modern era. Take a look at how China was pre WWI/WWII, it didn't have any of the industrial capacity that the West had.

[Hittanryan]

And didn't have the infrastructure to support heavy industry, the entire reason behind the Great Leap Forward.

I thought the reason behind the Great Leap Forward was that saying no to Chairman Mao, no matter how dumb his idea, was literal suicide.

The Great Leap Forward was an attempt at industrialization, which turned into a horrific famine when "rural industrialization" was given priority over, well, farming. Attempts at private farming were treated, as you put it, as "Saying no to Chairman Mao."

[New England and The Maritimes]

When it was run by Mao who was busy accidentally killing his own people left and right and we were in a war with communism.

Edit: typo

And didn't have the infrastructure to support heavy industry, the entire reason behind the Great Leap Forward.

Not really. The great leap forward was a dismal failure in every respect. Chinese steel produced by peasant farming communes was completely and totally useless in any sort of industry. It wasn't until the 80s that China really started to fix itself up for proper industry.

[Wikkiwallana]

When it was run by Mao who was busy accidentally killing his own people left and right and we were in a war with communism.

Edit: typo

Also the taxes in China are LOW. In that link you posted Wikki, even though the US is listed as 4th, take a look at the numbers between China and the US.

Its no surprise that Singapore is at the top though because it is a trading powerhouse.

American taxes are also "LOW". Seriously, they are at the lowest they've been in decades.

[Kaeshar]

Also the taxes in China are LOW. In that link you posted Wikki, even though the US is listed as 4th, take a look at the numbers between China and the US.

Its no surprise that Singapore is at the top though because it is a trading powerhouse.

American taxes are also "LOW". Seriously, they are at the lowest they've been in decades.

Compared to China on that chart I mean, unless I'm misinterpreting it.

[Hittanryan]

And didn't have the infrastructure to support heavy industry, the entire reason behind the Great Leap Forward.

Not really. The great leap forward was a dismal failure in every respect. Chinese steel produced by peasant farming communes was completely and totally useless in any sort of industry. It wasn't until the 80s that China really started to fix itself up for proper industry.

I said industrialization was a reason for the Great Leap Forward. I never said it worked. See my last post.

[Lakeland]

Government policy which prohibits outsourcing. Also corporate policy which discourages it. de-liberalization of trade laws, etc. There's plenty of government policy that can change it. China was just as cheap in the 50's as it is now.

The textile mills and other simple manufacturing jobs are not coming back. It doesn't matter why they went at this point in time.

Even if minimum wage was repealed tomorrow, citizens would not work for the same wage that manufacturing companies pay currently to their employees.

Actually that's not technically true, because such simple jobs can be automated, and it takes people to design, build, operate the automation equipment. That should be the direction of manufacturing, but it's much easier to just let poor third worlders do it. Just like you people are perfectly happy to let poor third worlders pick your strawberries so you don't have to pay a dollar more, when you could have something like this.

Oh well, science and technology sucks anyway.

[Wikkiwallana]

Crap, I just realized this is a massive threadjack. If you wish to continue discussing it with me, start a new thread, because I'm only talking about Santorum in this one from now on.

:: hides from the mods ::

[Hittanryan]

Yeah, I tried to kick it back in the right direction, but I was evidently ignored.

[Kaeshar]

And I kind of continued along with the threadjack

*hides from mods*

I agree though in that the threadjacked portion should be split into a new thread.

[Osthia]

Yeah, and he has released a Little Red Book that lists ways on how to be the perfect communist.

Ah, good, you found a copy of the book, comrade! Come, let us redistribute a pool cue from a bar to the intestinal tract of an investment banker. After that, I bring Sasha and spend $400,000 on executives who received bonuses from TARP.

Huh?

[Lakeland]

We've been talking about policy which all the candidates agree or disagree with. Not least of all Santorum. I think you guys are worrying too much. But whatever. Discussion essentially over anyway.

[Hittanryan]

Ah, good, you found a copy of the book, comrade! Come, let us redistribute a pool cue from a bar to the intestinal tract of an investment banker. After that, I bring Sasha and spend $400,000 on executives who received bonuses from TARP.

Huh?

That was a joke, I say that's a joke, son.

[Osthia]

Huh?

That was a joke, I say that's a joke, son.

Ok, I just couldn't tell without an emlticon or something xD