Rick Santorum Megathread: A Frothy Mixture of Opinions

[Lakeland]

The fifties were pretty nice, in the north anyway.

Yeah, it was great in the 60's when the University of Michigan in Flint denied my mother tenure because she "had a husband who could provide" for her, and so it was better to give the spot to a less qualified man with less experience so that "he'll be able to provide for his family".

And then there was the marital rape.

Yeah, those were the days.

<spits>

Well yeah, if your mom wasn't happy the whole of society must have been shit, am I right?

Now that we have the reverse of that now, it's much better...

[United Dependencies]

Well yeah, if your mom wasn't happy the whole of society must have been shit, am I right?

Now that we have the reverse of that now, it's much better...

Except it wasn't just his mom, it was women everywhere who were more disadvantaged than they are now.

[Wikkiwallana]

No, history is on his side, we've had a much, much higher Debt to GDP rate than this and payed it back down.

Not really, we are fast passing or have passed our all time post WWII high debt to GDP ratio, and we had a much higher tax rate and better economy at that time.

[Lakeland]

Tough shit to the farmers, the regulatory environment has changed. Change or perish.

Yes, let's shoot our country in the foot, that will work so well.

And yet you defend the EPA, and industrial regulations that makes production in this country uncompetitive.

[Wikkiwallana]

Yes, let's shoot our country in the foot, that will work so well.

And yet you defend the EPA, and industrial regulations that makes production in this country uncompetitive.

Except they don't.

[United Dependencies]

Yes, let's shoot our country in the foot, that will work so well.

And yet you defend the EPA, and industrial regulations that makes production in this country uncompetitive.

Compared to China and India

[Lakeland]

Again, from such an unbiased judge too, I'm totally impressed by your opinion.

So let me get this straight, according to your own logic. The EPA has no ability to regulate pollution, am I hearing you correct? Because clearly the government has no ability to control what companies do or don't do within their own borders. Do you think you are being clever with such a stupid argument?

I don't know, maybe you'd like to explain how outsourcing and illegal immigration are still problems, if the government has the private sector well under control?

Do the words liberalization and Neoliberalism mean anything to you? I've stopped taking you seriously at this point by the way, because you don't seem to know how regulatory environments effect the decisions of entities like corporations.

[Lakeland]

Well yeah, if your mom wasn't happy the whole of society must have been shit, am I right?

Now that we have the reverse of that now, it's much better...

Except it wasn't just his mom, it was women everywhere who were more disadvantaged than they are now.

And now it's men, much better this way.

[Wikkiwallana]

I don't know, maybe you'd like to explain how outsourcing and illegal immigration are still problems, if the government has the private sector well under control?

Do the words liberalization and Neoliberalism mean anything to you? I've stopped taking you seriously at this point by the way, because you don't seem to know how regulatory environments effect the decisions of entities like corporations.

Neither do you. Do you know which countries are ranked the most attractive to businesses?

[Wikkiwallana]

Except it wasn't just his mom, it was women everywhere who were more disadvantaged than they are now.

And now it's men, much better this way.

No, it isn't men, the laws say neither can be discriminated against.

[Revolutopia]

Except it wasn't just his mom, it was women everywhere who were more disadvantaged than they are now.

And now it's men, much better this way.

Do you live in the real world, or are you from some imaginary one? That would work to explain a lot about your past series of posts and viewpoints.

[Lakeland]

Not really, we are fast passing or have passed our all time post WWII high debt to GDP ratio, and we had a much higher tax rate and better economy at that time.

Stops in 2010. Here's what the government would like to have happen, note, up to 2015. But we all know how Obama's job recovery plan went don't we...

[Hittanryan]

I don't know, maybe you'd like to explain how outsourcing and illegal immigration are still problems, if the government has the private sector well under control?

Do the words liberalization and Neoliberalism mean anything to you? I've stopped taking you seriously at this point by the way, because you don't seem to know how regulatory environments effect the decisions of entities like corporations.

That's fine, I never took you seriously in the first place. You are completely self-contradictory. First you argue that the government has control over patterns in a globalized economy largely beyond any one nation's control, and now you're telling me that trends towards liberalization and neoliberalism keep a government from *gasp* exercising control over its economy.

[Wikkiwallana]

Stops in 2010. Here's what the government would like to have happen, note, up to 2015. But we all know how Obama's job recovery plan went don't we...

And 2012 just started. Compiling charts takes time.

[Lakeland]

And yet you defend the EPA, and industrial regulations that makes production in this country uncompetitive.

Except they don't.

Except they do.

Then perhaps you can explain why manufacturing jobs have been fleeing this country for over 30 years. Meanwhile, Chinese industry has prospered.

How can you look reality square in the face and deny it? Oh right, carry on...

[Lakeland]

And yet you defend the EPA, and industrial regulations that makes production in this country uncompetitive.

Compared to China and India

Thank you for acknowledging reality, unlike some of your threadmates.

[Kaeshar]

Except they don't.

Except they do.

Then perhaps you can explain why manufacturing jobs have been fleeing this country for over 30 years. Meanwhile, Chinese industry has prospered.

How can you look reality square in the face and deny it? Oh right, carry on...

Corporate taxes I think, plus its a hell of alot cheaper to manufacture, etc over in China and India for various reasons.

Not sure if you're saying its okay with you if we outsource all our jobs....

[Wikkiwallana]

Except they don't.

Except they do.

Then perhaps you can explain why manufacturing jobs have been fleeing this country for over 30 years. Meanwhile, Chinese industry has prospered.

How can you look reality square in the face and deny it? Oh right, carry on...

Because I can look at Denmark, New Zealand, and Norway. What's to deny?

[Lakeland]

Do the words liberalization and Neoliberalism mean anything to you? I've stopped taking you seriously at this point by the way, because you don't seem to know how regulatory environments effect the decisions of entities like corporations.

That's fine, I never took you seriously in the first place. You are completely self-contradictory. First you argue that the government has control over patterns in a globalized economy largely beyond any one nation's control, and now you're telling me that trends towards liberalization and neoliberalism keep a government from *gasp* exercising control over its economy.

You are arguing primarily with yourself. As you've never understood what it is I'm saying. Have fun.

[Lakeland]

Except they do.

Then perhaps you can explain why manufacturing jobs have been fleeing this country for over 30 years. Meanwhile, Chinese industry has prospered.

How can you look reality square in the face and deny it? Oh right, carry on...

Because I can look at Denmark, New Zealand, and Norway. What's to deny?

Well known industrial powerhouses.

[Hittanryan]

Except they don't.

Except they do.

Then perhaps you can explain why manufacturing jobs have been fleeing this country for over 30 years. Meanwhile, Chinese industry has prospered.

How can you look reality square in the face and deny it? Oh right, carry on...

Manufacturing jobs are actually returning to the US in anticipation of China's bubble bursting and thanks to China's lack of skilled workers. Furthermore, are you saying paying workers next to nothing, nonexistent safety standards, propping up an authoritarian government, and environmental devastation are good things?

[United Dependencies]

Compared to China and India

Thank you for acknowledging reality, unlike some of your threadmates.

Actually I was comparing the respective environmental situations.

I'll cut right to the chase with the job market:

Production went overseas because it was cheaper to produce overseas. No amount of government policy will change that.

[Hittanryan]

That's fine, I never took you seriously in the first place. You are completely self-contradictory. First you argue that the government has control over patterns in a globalized economy largely beyond any one nation's control, and now you're telling me that trends towards liberalization and neoliberalism keep a government from *gasp* exercising control over its economy.

You are arguing primarily with yourself. As you've never understood what it is I'm saying. Have fun.

I will, as always. In the meantime, enjoy your circular logic and delusional grasp of politics.

[Lakeland]

Except they do.

Then perhaps you can explain why manufacturing jobs have been fleeing this country for over 30 years. Meanwhile, Chinese industry has prospered.

How can you look reality square in the face and deny it? Oh right, carry on...

Manufacturing jobs are actually returning to the US in anticipation of China's bubble bursting and thanks to China's lack of skilled workers. Furthermore, are you saying paying workers next to nothing, nonexistent safety standards, propping up an authoritarian government, and environmental devastation are good things?

Well first of all, I think I'd have to explain to you how trade agreements work, not to mention tariffs, labor law, corporate law, and a whole host of other things. Since you seem to be more interested in tilting at windmills than in having an actual discussion I'm going to suggest you give it one more try before I just ignore you outright.

[Wikkiwallana]

Because I can look at Denmark, New Zealand, and Norway. What's to deny?

Well known industrial powerhouses.

Yes, actually:
http://www.doingbusiness.org/rankings
http://www.forbes.com/2008/06/26/denmar ... tries.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenha ... -business/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Edit: damn board clipping my links