Rick Santorum Megathread: A Frothy Mixture of Opinions

[Hittanryan]

Are you gonna bark all day little doggy, or are you gonna bite?

First you claim Santorum's platform is not crazy, despite this thread being filled with evidence to the contrary. When made aware of his positions, you changed the subject to "Prove that Santorum and the Republicans will damage the country." When given examples of how a Tea Party government would be potentially disastrous, you didn't refute it and changed the subject once again to "The Republicans have principles." Their principles aren't worth defending. You must be getting tired, I bet those goalposts are heavy.

Last time I checked, I've just been responding to other people's posts. Your "evidence" so far has basically been your continual claim that he'll "be bad for the country". As to the OP, the only other part of the thread I've wasted my time on, I don't really care about 2%, 10%. People tried to make a big deal about Rev Wright, 57 states, and a bunch of other stupid stuff about Obama. The important thing is the platform. Obama has shown he can't lead, and if he's as far "left" we're going to get then we'd be better off going further right. Better to be committed to one solid ideology than a dysfunctional hodge podge of both. The dems are spineless, at least the republicans present a more or less unified front and ideology, which has been proven to work, because it's worked for most of human history.

When have you ever mentioned Tea Party anything? Those people are just the right wing version of OWS, both fools.

What, did you miss the balanced budget amendment? Cutting spending during a recession? The destruction of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security? Unilateral, aggressive foreign policy? You haven't exactly explained how these things would be good for the US at this point in time.

Furthermore, the Republicans' policies have been proven not to work at all. Businesses recently flat-out stated that lower corporate taxes wouldn't convince them to hire more people. You don't hire people for the hell of it, you hire when the market is right. Deregulation allowed the financial sector to take huge gambles on subprime mortgages that eventually came crumbling down around us. Lower taxes on the rich are one of the many Republican ideals that contribute to the deficits. Spreading democracy through invasion and occupation doesn't work. Consistency isn't a virtue when you're consistently wrong.

[Hittanryan]

Who, exactly, do you think is outsourcing manufacturing jobs to China?

Both parties.

Since when do political parties own businesses? Since when is the private sector under control of the government?

[Kaeshar]

I think you need to reread my post, he supports fetal personhood. It expands civil rights to unborn persons, ie the 9 month gestation period. You claim he supports taking away rights when the exact opposite is true.

Please point me to the plank in his platform that mentions religious or ethnic intolerance?

Meanwhile "African Americans for Obama", heh, imagine "Whites for Romney". Ah the double standards amuse me so.

In an interview with ABC's television program This Week, Santorum said, "I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute."

He has openly stated his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants. He supports the construction of a barrier along the U.S.–Mexican border, an increase in the number of border patrol agents on the border, and the stationing of National Guard troops along the border.

The second one isn't really a good example because amnesty is a touchy subject on both sides of the aisle and we do have to secure the border.

[United Dependencies]

Who, exactly, do you think is outsourcing manufacturing jobs to China?

Both parties.

Believe it or not, but this government does not control the economy like that.

[Kaeshar]

Both parties.

Since when do political parties own businesses? Since when is the private sector under control of the government?

The politicians are the ones making the policies that make companies outsource to China and elsewhere.

[Wikkiwallana]

The second one isn't really a good example because amnesty is a touchy subject on both sides of the aisle and we do have to secure the border.

No, but the GOP's constant framing of the DREAM act as "amnesty" is a good example.

[Lakeland]

I think you need to reread my post, he supports fetal personhood. It expands civil rights to unborn persons, ie the 9 month gestation period. You claim he supports taking away rights when the exact opposite is true.

Please point me to the plank in his platform that mentions religious or ethnic intolerance?

Meanwhile "African Americans for Obama", heh, imagine "Whites for Romney". Ah the double standards amuse me so.

In an interview with ABC's television program This Week, Santorum said, "I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute."

He has openly stated his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants. He supports the construction of a barrier along the U.S.–Mexican border, an increase in the number of border patrol agents on the border, and the stationing of National Guard troops along the border.

The president can't rewrite the constitution, so I'm not worried about that, he has a difference of opinion, big deal. I'm not religious and I couldn't care less about any of that garbage.

Good. Illegal immigrants should be deported, they take away opportunities for people in this country.

As for wage suppression, all studies show that the large infusion of immigrants has depressed the wages of low skilled workers. It is the illegal immigrant component of the immigration flow that has most certainly caused the most damage, but there is no way to isolate their singular harm. But even these studies most likely underestimate the true adverse impact because there is a floor on legal wages set by minimum wage laws that do not allow the market to set the actual wage level. What is known is that wages in the low wage labor market have tended to stagnate for some time. It is not just that the availability of massive numbers of illegal immigrants depress wages, it is the fact that their sheer numbers keep wages from rising over time, and that is the real harm experienced by citizen workers in the low skilled labor market.

[Lakeland]

Both parties.

Since when do political parties own businesses? Since when is the private sector under control of the government?

Haheheh. You've got it all backwards kid. Business owns both parties. Where have you been? It used to be a lot harder to outsource jobs from this country, who do you think lobbied for a change in the laws. It sure as hell wasn't the unions.

[Kaeshar]

The president can't rewrite the constitution, so I'm not worried about that, he has a difference of opinion, big deal. I'm not religious and I couldn't care less about any of that garbage.

Good. Illegal immigrants should be deported, they take away opportunities for people in this country.

As for wage suppression, all studies show that the large infusion of immigrants has depressed the wages of low skilled workers. It is the illegal immigrant component of the immigration flow that has most certainly caused the most damage, but there is no way to isolate their singular harm. But even these studies most likely underestimate the true adverse impact because there is a floor on legal wages set by minimum wage laws that do not allow the market to set the actual wage level. What is known is that wages in the low wage labor market have tended to stagnate for some time. It is not just that the availability of massive numbers of illegal immigrants depress wages, it is the fact that their sheer numbers keep wages from rising over time, and that is the real harm experienced by citizen workers in the low skilled labor market.

The problem is also in handling the deportations, how do you deal with those who have children born here in the US, are those children grown or not, do you split apart families, etc. It was even a major topic in one of the debates.

[Wikkiwallana]

The president can't rewrite the constitution, so I'm not worried about that, he has a difference of opinion, big deal. I'm not religious and I couldn't care less about any of that garbage.

Good. Illegal immigrants should be deported, they take away opportunities for people in this country.

As for wage suppression, all studies show that the large infusion of immigrants has depressed the wages of low skilled workers. It is the illegal immigrant component of the immigration flow that has most certainly caused the most damage, but there is no way to isolate their singular harm. But even these studies most likely underestimate the true adverse impact because there is a floor on legal wages set by minimum wage laws that do not allow the market to set the actual wage level. What is known is that wages in the low wage labor market have tended to stagnate for some time. It is not just that the availability of massive numbers of illegal immigrants depress wages, it is the fact that their sheer numbers keep wages from rising over time, and that is the real harm experienced by citizen workers in the low skilled labor market.

And so the solution is to harass everyone with the last name "Hernandez" or brown skin?

[Hittanryan]

The president can't rewrite the constitution, so I'm not worried about that, he has a difference of opinion, big deal. I'm not religious and I couldn't care less about any of that garbage.

Good. Illegal immigrants should be deported, they take away opportunities for people in this country.

So, let me get this straight:

1. Companies hire illegal immigrants preferentially so they can pay them less while firing US citizens.
2. Illegal immigrants flood across the borders in hopes of finding a job.
3. Instead of regulating the companies who hire illegals and removing the incentive for them to come here in the first place, we need to spend millions hunting down and deporting them after the fact.

Why are you attacking the effect instead of the cause?

[Kaeshar]

Seriously though, we should get the border secured first before we talk about amnesty or whatever they want to call it,

[Lakeland]

Last time I checked, I've just been responding to other people's posts. Your "evidence" so far has basically been your continual claim that he'll "be bad for the country". As to the OP, the only other part of the thread I've wasted my time on, I don't really care about 2%, 10%. People tried to make a big deal about Rev Wright, 57 states, and a bunch of other stupid stuff about Obama. The important thing is the platform. Obama has shown he can't lead, and if he's as far "left" we're going to get then we'd be better off going further right. Better to be committed to one solid ideology than a dysfunctional hodge podge of both. The dems are spineless, at least the republicans present a more or less unified front and ideology, which has been proven to work, because it's worked for most of human history.

When have you ever mentioned Tea Party anything? Those people are just the right wing version of OWS, both fools.

What, did you miss the balanced budget amendment? Cutting spending during a recession? The destruction of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security? Unilateral, aggressive foreign policy? You haven't exactly explained how these things would be good for the US at this point in time.

Furthermore, the Republicans' policies have been proven not to work at all. Businesses recently flat-out stated that lower corporate taxes wouldn't convince them to hire more people. You don't hire people for the hell of it, you hire when the market is right. Deregulation allowed the financial sector to take huge gambles on subprime mortgages that eventually came crumbling down around us. Lower taxes on the rich are one of the many Republican ideals that contribute to the deficits. Spreading democracy through invasion and occupation doesn't work. Consistency isn't a virtue when you're consistently wrong.

I already responded to the balanced budget amendment, you must have missed it. We aren't in a recession anymore, and yeah let's become Greece great idea. You mean people might actually have to rely on their families again? Perish the thought, why in only the last 5000 years of recorded human history people managed to get by without them. Unilateral aggressive policy, not seeing it, Iran isn't getting invaded.

Yup, democrats suck on social policy and economic policy, republicans just suck on economic policy. Pretty crappy choice I've got.

[Lakeland]

The president can't rewrite the constitution, so I'm not worried about that, he has a difference of opinion, big deal. I'm not religious and I couldn't care less about any of that garbage.

Good. Illegal immigrants should be deported, they take away opportunities for people in this country.

The problem is also in handling the deportations, how do you deal with those who have children born here in the US, are those children grown or not, do you split apart families, etc. It was even a major topic in one of the debates.

Tough luck kid. If they're 18 they can stay. Personally I'd get rid of jus soli and move towards jus sanguinis like Mexico. That way we can just deport them all, no problem.

[Lakeland]

The president can't rewrite the constitution, so I'm not worried about that, he has a difference of opinion, big deal. I'm not religious and I couldn't care less about any of that garbage.

Good. Illegal immigrants should be deported, they take away opportunities for people in this country.

And so the solution is to harass everyone with the last name "Hernandez" or brown skin?

Oversimplification, meet bad argument, oversimplification, bad argument.

[Hittanryan]

Since when do political parties own businesses? Since when is the private sector under control of the government?

Haheheh. You've got it all backwards kid. Business owns both parties. Where have you been? It used to be a lot harder to outsource jobs from this country, who do you think lobbied for a change in the laws. It sure as hell wasn't the unions.

I asked you "Who is responsible for outsourcing?" You said "Both parties." Talk about getting it backwards. You're the one who said that the government is responsible for outsourcing by private industry. Which, of course, is completely ridiculous even by your own claim of "Business owns both parties."

[Wikkiwallana]

And so the solution is to harass everyone with the last name "Hernandez" or brown skin?

Oversimplification, meet bad argument, oversimplification, bad argument.

It's how the GOP did it in Georgia and Arizona, I see no reason they wouldn't try to do the same in the rest of the country.

[Lakeland]

The president can't rewrite the constitution, so I'm not worried about that, he has a difference of opinion, big deal. I'm not religious and I couldn't care less about any of that garbage.

Good. Illegal immigrants should be deported, they take away opportunities for people in this country.

So, let me get this straight:

1. Companies hire illegal immigrants preferentially so they can pay them less while firing US citizens.
2. Illegal immigrants flood across the borders in hopes of finding a job.
3. Instead of regulating the companies who hire illegals and removing the incentive for them to come here in the first place, we need to spend millions hunting down and deporting them after the fact.

Why are you attacking the effect instead of the cause?

Actually, e-verify is part of that business regulation that morons like Maddow like to mock as "self-deportation". It worked in Alabama, I made a thread on it a while ago, they had the fastest drop in the unemployment rate the month it was enacted and the second fastest the month after, we'll see what the next quarter's report looks like in a bit.

[Lakeland]

Oversimplification, meet bad argument, oversimplification, bad argument.

It's how the GOP did it in Georgia and Arizona, I see no reason they wouldn't try to do the same in the rest of the country.

Alabama, I believe. And I made a thread on that, it did wonders in Alabama.

[Wikkiwallana]

It's how the GOP did it in Georgia and Arizona, I see no reason they wouldn't try to do the same in the rest of the country.

Alabama, I believe. And I made a thread on that, it did wonders in Alabama.

No, this was something different, not just about farm workers. Also, Georgia did the farm thing before Alabama did, and it left crops rotting in the fields across the state.

[Lakeland]

Haheheh. You've got it all backwards kid. Business owns both parties. Where have you been? It used to be a lot harder to outsource jobs from this country, who do you think lobbied for a change in the laws. It sure as hell wasn't the unions.

I asked you "Who is responsible for outsourcing?" You said "Both parties." Talk about getting it backwards. You're the one who said that the government is responsible for outsourcing by private industry. Which, of course, is completely ridiculous even by your own claim of "Business owns both parties."

I suppose you're going to tell me "GOP always bad! DNC always good!", get real. NAFTA. Who signed that legislation? Go on look it up.

[Hittanryan]

I already responded to the balanced budget amendment, you must have missed it. We aren't in a recession anymore, and yeah let's become Greece great idea. You mean people might actually have to rely on their families again? Perish the thought, why in only the last 5000 years of recorded human history people managed to get by without them. Unilateral aggressive policy, not seeing it, Iran isn't getting invaded.

Yup, democrats suck on social policy and economic policy, republicans just suck on economic policy. Pretty crappy choice I've got.

You didn't respond, you dismissed. We're nowhere near Greece, and your views on poverty sound like something from the 1800s. Furthermore, how is anti-abortion, anti-contraception, pro-death penalty, anti-gun control, pro-war, pro-rich, pro-religion, anti-intellectual, anti-environment a consistent, logical, and sane social policy?

[Lakeland]

Seriously though, we should get the border secured first before we talk about amnesty or whatever they want to call it,

I agree, militarize the border. We should use that giant army of ours for some good for once.

[Hittanryan]

I asked you "Who is responsible for outsourcing?" You said "Both parties." Talk about getting it backwards. You're the one who said that the government is responsible for outsourcing by private industry. Which, of course, is completely ridiculous even by your own claim of "Business owns both parties."

I suppose you're going to tell me "GOP always bad! DNC always good!", get real. NAFTA. Who signed that legislation? Go on look it up.

I'm going to take that non-sequitur as conceding the argument.

[Kaeshar]

Seriously though, we should get the border secured first before we talk about amnesty or whatever they want to call it,

I agree, militarize the border. We should use that giant army of ours for some good for once.

We don't want to make it look like we're planning on invading Mexico by putting too many.