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Postby Gothinia » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:40 pm

white people are already the worlds minority, so in a way it's important. I love how so many people on here are calling the OP racist even though he said nothing hostile towards any other race.
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Postby Keronians » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:43 pm

Salvarity wrote:
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China has a bubble based economy. Look at its real estate market. It's a bubble. A friggin huge bubble.

Securities are severely overvalued. Many financial institutions have already begun shorting Chinese real estate securities. The Chinese model is also based largely on subsidising the West's standard of living via artificially devaluing the yuan, which, ultimately, costs the Chinese middle class a lot. Because their currency loses out against the dollar, the euro, the pound, the yen, etc. It's good, to an extent, for exports.

It's also based on consumption. But, what the Chinese government forgets, is that all consumption depends, in the long run, on investment. Now, due to the yuan's devaluation, little domestic investment occurs. Most of it is either from the government itself, or from foreign investors. Foreign investors won't remain forever, and the returns don't remain in China, but are taken to whatever country the foreign investors are from. So, the process of wealth creation is severely reduced.

Then we have the ethnic tensions between western and eastern China. Western China remains severely underdeveloped. And the demographic crisis. China is aging. And, unlike Japan, it's aging while not yet rich. To top it off, due to its sexist culture, there is an extremely lopsided male to female ratio.

As for outsourcing, you need not worry about that. Outsourcing has no net effect on jobs. What it does do, though, is increase inflow of cash from other nations and reduce cost of living.



The Second to last paragraph brings something everyone forgets. China is aging and even if the One Child Only Policy is temporary. It's still gonna cut the generation in half. And with half the population That means the Labor Supply is low and the Demand for the labor is gonna be the same.
Low Supply of Labour and High Demand for Labour means that the workers are gonna demand better conditions from the companies that demand them. Companies are either gonna have to provide to these demands or Move back to there host countries.


Demand is actually going up. The labour market will thus be in constant disequilibrium, and "prices" (wages) will soar. So companies will relocate to south east Asia. Unlike developed nations, China doesn't have a skilled population, so for China, it will be detrimental.

And, even more importantly, is the fact that there will just not be enough people. Businesses will go bust because there is no labour. There is no labour to drive growth. There is, thus, no growth.
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Postby Peoples Republic of Old Russia » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:45 pm

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Just kidding. Trotsky already has that position filled.
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Postby Salvarity » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:45 pm

Keronians wrote:
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The Second to last paragraph brings something everyone forgets. China is aging and even if the One Child Only Policy is temporary. It's still gonna cut the generation in half. And with half the population That means the Labor Supply is low and the Demand for the labor is gonna be the same.
Low Supply of Labour and High Demand for Labour means that the workers are gonna demand better conditions from the companies that demand them. Companies are either gonna have to provide to these demands or Move back to there host countries.


Demand is actually going up. The labour market will thus be in constant disequilibrium, and "prices" (wages) will soar. So companies will relocate to south east Asia. Unlike developed nations, China doesn't have a skilled population, so for China, it will be detrimental.

And, even more importantly, is the fact that there will just not be enough people. Businesses will go bust because there is no labour. There is no labour to drive growth. There is, thus, no growth.


Indochina doesn't have anything like the One Child Policy so it will take a while before companies leave there.

Also what i expect will happen in China is what will happen after The Bubonic Plague in Europe. Demand for Labor soured so conditions improved and things got better for the lower classes. But since i know very little on economics. I'm probably wrong.
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Postby Keronians » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:46 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Keronians wrote:Oh, in that case, it's perfectly understandable. And desirable too.

It's consumers like you that get businesses to be socially responsible.


Indeed, I've been trying to research which countries have bad working conditions for their workers in China. Apparently Dell is up there and possibly worse than China (I feel disgusted that I have a Dell computer). It's made me rethink buying another Dell computer (mine is currently 5 years old and I desperately need a new one). I'm thinking of buying an Asus laptop.


Nike is a famous example.

It's the eternal dilemna for businesses.

Child labour and unfair wages result in lower costs, and so increased profits. However, they can lead to bad publicity, and consumer boycotts and destruction of brand image, and so reduced revenue and status.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:49 pm

Right then. Given how so many seem to be lacking in the civility department, and others in the 'keep on topic' department, How about we just put this to rest for now and try again some time in the far distant future when perhaps y'all can discuss with less venom, personal insults, and global economics discussions.

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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:58 pm

Orcoa wrote:Don't you have a fucking Stormfront meeting to go to?

This was uncalled for. *** Warned *** for flamebait.

Other bits to come as I run across them in the thread. Not cool, folks. Not cool.

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