Does God hate homosexuality?

[Samuraikoku]

A little known fact even among Christians: The Bible does not prohibit female homosexual behavior.

Farnhamia once DID say everyone loves lesbians...

[Mad Monarch]

A little known fact even among Christians: The Bible does not prohibit female homosexual behavior.

Farnhamia once DID say everyone loves lesbians...

When FST supports your intercourse, you know your love is universally liked.

[Dyakovo]

It always seems to me that God hates whatever the individual believer telling you God's opinions hates.

Probably because 'God' only exists in their mind.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Because it was to ensure the dominance of his chosen peoples at the time, the people of Israel. You're applying modern morals and concepts to the ancient world, which entirely ignores the state of the world at the time.

1. So god's a utilitarian? Who'd could have guessed?

2. Even as utilitarianism, it still fails. Killing your own people for very minor infractions is not a way to get ahead. It's not a way to ensure dominance. Instead, it's a way to vastly decrease your population, not exactly something a fledgling nation would desire. Requiring everyone to breed I can see the logic behind. Killing someone who has homosexual intercourse I cannot.

[Cromarty]

Because it was to ensure the dominance of his chosen peoples at the time, the people of Israel. You're applying modern morals and concepts to the ancient world, which entirely ignores the state of the world at the time.

1. So god's a utilitarian? Who'd could have guessed?

2. Even as utilitarianism, it still fails. Killing your own people for very minor infractions is not a way to get ahead. It's not a way to ensure dominance. Instead, it's a way to vastly decrease your population, not exactly something a fledgling nation would desire. Requiring everyone to breed I can see the logic behind. Killing someone who has homosexual intercourse I cannot.

That's because you're applying fucking modern thinking to things that happened over 2000 fucking years ago.

[Farnhamia]

1. So god's a utilitarian? Who'd could have guessed?

2. Even as utilitarianism, it still fails. Killing your own people for very minor infractions is not a way to get ahead. It's not a way to ensure dominance. Instead, it's a way to vastly decrease your population, not exactly something a fledgling nation would desire. Requiring everyone to breed I can see the logic behind. Killing someone who has homosexual intercourse I cannot.

That's because you're applying fucking modern thinking to things that happened over 2000 fucking years ago.

I can sort of see FST's point, though. If Yahweh is all-knowing and all-powerful and, we're told, benevolent and loving, shouldn't the "love thy neighbor" stuff be all over the Old Testament? If he knows everything, he should know what's good and what's bad universally. But yes, since the OT is just the collected myths and legends of the ancient Hebrews, it is pointless projecting modern morality onto it.

[Four-sided Triangles]

I can sort of see FST's point, though. If Yahweh is all-knowing and all-powerful and, we're told, benevolent and loving, shouldn't the "love thy neighbor" stuff be all over the Old Testament? If he knows everything, he should know what's good and what's bad universally. But yes, since the OT is just the collected myths and legends of the ancient Hebrews, it is pointless projecting modern morality onto it.

Except that's exactly my point. If you want to say it was just the primitive morality of a philosophically and scientifically illiterate tribe, that's fine. However, if you claim it to be from god, I've got questions.

[Farnhamia]

I can sort of see FST's point, though. If Yahweh is all-knowing and all-powerful and, we're told, benevolent and loving, shouldn't the "love thy neighbor" stuff be all over the Old Testament? If he knows everything, he should know what's good and what's bad universally. But yes, since the OT is just the collected myths and legends of the ancient Hebrews, it is pointless projecting modern morality onto it.

Except that's exactly my point. If you want to say it was just the primitive morality of a philosophically and scientifically illiterate tribe, that's fine. However, if you claim it to be from god, I've got questions.

I agree.

[Salandriagado]

Well, of course, the "shameful acts" are no better defined than "as a man has with a woman".
I guess those verses mean "thou, man, shalt not have vaginal sex with other men". Anal sex and oral sex are ok. Expecially oral sex, because it is not what enters a man's mouth that defileth him. It is what comes forth: so, no spitting AFTER oral sex.

Deliberate misinterpretation.
The Bible is firmly against any homosexual acts and speaks of sexual relations. The verses quoted are aimed at any sexual relations and as marriage is an ancient union targetting procreation, the bible is firmly against it.
But if like me you do not care what the bible says, you may simply not care about homosexual acts. I will however not resort to making up religous quotes and meanings to try and justify my position.

If you're trying to justify a position on what the bible says, you'd better have a quote from the bible to back it up. This is the one and only thing on which the bible actually is an authoritative source. So go on then, chapter and verse, please, and I'll give you a literal translation of what it really says, rather than what some politically motivated translator added in millennia later.

[Kulverint]

No because he doesn't exist.

[Zottistan]

I just love how the devout Christians danced around my post saying that if god hated gays, he'd simply strike them down.

[Coffee Cakes]

I just love how the devout Christians danced around my post saying that if god hated gays, he'd simply strike them down.

Uh, God don't hate anybody, he hates their sinning. There is a difference.
That said, in Christian theology, Jesus died to cleanse people of their sins.
Doesn't sound like hate to me. Not one bit.

[Norstal]

I just love how the devout Christians danced around my post saying that if god hated gays, he'd simply strike them down.

Uh, God don't hate anybody, he hates their sinning. There is a difference.
That said, in Christian theology, Jesus died to cleanse people of their sins.
Doesn't sound like hate to me. Not one bit.

Welp, this horse is dead.

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[Farnhamia]

Uh, God don't hate anybody, he hates their sinning. There is a difference.
That said, in Christian theology, Jesus died to cleanse people of their sins.
Doesn't sound like hate to me. Not one bit.

Welp, this horse is dead.

"This thread has been brought to you by Behr. Try our new Exotic Rainbows line of paint today!"

Whether or not the horse is dead is meaningless. Look at the Falkland Islands thread, where the same three or four people have been saying, "Is not! Is too!" for 60 pages.

[Coffee Cakes]

Welp, this horse is dead.

"This thread has been brought to you by Behr. Try our new Exotic Rainbows line of paint today!"

Whether or not the horse is dead is meaningless. Look at the Falkland Islands thread, where the same three or four people have been saying, "Is not! Is too!" for 60 pages.

I thought you both knew that dead horse beating is the pastime of NSG.

[Norstal]

Welp, this horse is dead.

"This thread has been brought to you by Behr. Try our new Exotic Rainbows line of paint today!"

Whether or not the horse is dead is meaningless. Look at the Falkland Islands thread, where the same three or four people have been saying, "Is not! Is too!" for 60 pages.

It was a joke started with Tekania. :<

[Nilotia]

How many gays and lesbians does God have to create before we accept that homosexuality is part of His creation?

[Farnhamia]

Whether or not the horse is dead is meaningless. Look at the Falkland Islands thread, where the same three or four people have been saying, "Is not! Is too!" for 60 pages.

It was a joke started with Tekania. :<

I hate the three-quote limit.

[Four-sided Triangles]

I agree.

It's like modern, moderate religious belief comes with an invisible disclaimer, "Note: even though all of this stuff is true, it's not true true but "true" true."

It's like they all know, but there's some kind of magic they get out of going along with the pretense of it.

[New England and The Maritimes]

I agree.

It's like modern, moderate religious belief comes with an invisible disclaimer, "Note: even though all of this stuff is true, it's not true true but "true" true."

It's like they all know, but there's some kind of magic they get out of going along with the pretense of it.

Having personal beliefs is fine, but insisting their exclusive validity and rejecting out of hand any criticism seems to me to cast doubt on you and whatever you profess belief in.

[Dyakovo]

Whether or not the horse is dead is meaningless. Look at the Falkland Islands thread, where the same three or four people have been saying, "Is not! Is too!" for 60 pages.

I thought you both knew that dead horse beating is the pastime of NSG.

NSG, where sadom-necrobestiality is our favorite pastime...

[Four-sided Triangles]

Having personal beliefs is fine, but insisting their exclusive validity and rejecting out of hand any criticism seems to me to cast doubt on you and whatever you profess belief in.

That's not my point. So-called moderates don't act like someone would act if they thought that some set of propositions about god were true. They don't act as if they have a model of god.

[Coffee Cakes]

I thought you both knew that dead horse beating is the pastime of NSG.

NSG, where sadom-necrobestiality is our favorite pastime...

I'll drink to that.

[Skywarp]

Yes, of course God hates homosexuals In fact, the only thing he hates more than homosexuals is conceited holier-than-thou religious fundamentalists, as homosexuals are typically at worst only comitting one sin.

[Zottistan]

I just love how the devout Christians danced around my post saying that if god hated gays, he'd simply strike them down.

Uh, God don't hate anybody, he hates their sinning. There is a difference.
That said, in Christian theology, Jesus died to cleanse people of their sins.
Doesn't sound like hate to me. Not one bit.

God also turned a load of people into salt, flooded the world and killed the firstborn son of every non-Jewish house in Egypt. I'm pretty sure, that, if he wanted to, he would strike down the gays. The fact that he hasn't shows that he doesn't hate gays.