Arrogant Atheists and Crazy Christians

[Romatticus]

This has likely been beaten to death on the Forum here, but so be it. After all, everything there is to say has likely already been said here on NationStates. Regardless, I would like to ramble on about my inane opinions, because that is the purpose of a forum, right?

I seem to see a lot of this back and forth between atheists and theists, both claiming the other to be ignorant, despite the fact that no one was around when the omniverse was created, if it was created. You see many Christians proclaiming that believing in nothing is foolish, that there absolutley must be a creator. Conversely, many (but not all) atheists think it's foolish to believe in "a bearded dude in the sky that grants wishes". Whilst being of any religious preference is perfectly acceptable (except maybe Scientology, but whatever floats your boat), the only wrong idea about theisms is to be close-minded. The most foolish opinion of all then, is to believe one way or the other and deem others to be fools when there is no evidence to support either. This is especially true when you consider that they essentially believe the same thing.

Many Christians believe that God created the universe, and that God either created himself or that he simply always was.
Most Atheists agree that the universe created itself, or that it simply always was.

Thus, I submit that it is pointless to argue one way or the other. If there is a god, I am not sure sure he/she/it would allow undeniable proof of his/her/its existence, simply because it would not be faith if there was. I reserve judgement always, but if you believe in God due to an overwhelming amount of proof, you are probably doing it wrong.

[Pope Joan]

Possible point of interest:

I was taught in seminary that the beginning line of B'reshith (Genesis) is not actually "In the beginning, God created" but rather "In A beginning, God created"
.

Which leaves open the possibility of multiverses, God and some basal reality coexisting before our universe, and so on.

[Ifreann]

Thus, I submit that it is pointless to argue one way or the other.

You, like so many others before you, wholly misunderstand what is going on here. Arguing is the point. We enjoy it. That's why we do it all the fucking time.

[Romatticus]

Possible point of interest:

I was taught in seminary that the beginning line of B'reshith (Genesis) is not actually "In the beginning, God created" but rather "In A beginning, God created"
.

Which leaves open the possibility of multiverses, God and some basal reality coexisting before our universe, and so on.

Whoa. That is some deep, mind blowing shit.

[Wikkiwallana]

Possible point of interest:

I was taught in seminary that the beginning line of B'reshith (Genesis) is not actually "In the beginning, God created" but rather "In A beginning, God created"
.

Which leaves open the possibility of multiverses, God and some basal reality coexisting before our universe, and so on.

Did Ancient Hebrew even have articles? I know some languages don't, and the translator has to pick an appropriate one when writing into a language that does.

[Romatticus]

Thus, I submit that it is pointless to argue one way or the other.

You, like so many others before you, wholly misunderstand what is going on here. Arguing is the point. We enjoy it. That's why we do it all the fucking time.

But I am arguing. I am arguing that they are both wrong.

[Ceannairceach]

Thus, I submit that it is pointless to argue one way or the other.

You, like so many others before you, wholly misunderstand what is going on here. Arguing is the point. We enjoy it. That's why we do it all the fucking time.

This. I don't do this for my health, you know. I do it for the shits and giggles, especially the mo'fucking giggles.

[Romatticus]

You, like so many others before you, wholly misunderstand what is going on here. Arguing is the point. We enjoy it. That's why we do it all the fucking time.

This. I don't do this for my health, you know. I do it for the shits and giggles, especially the mo'fucking giggles.

The point of a forum? Fuck yeah.

[Wikkiwallana]

Thus, I submit that it is pointless to argue one way or the other.

You, like so many others before you, wholly misunderstand what is going on here. Arguing is the point. We enjoy it. That's why we do it all the fucking time.

Right, that's going in Awesome Quotes.

[Meon]

You've set up a false dichotomy between Christianity and Atheism. Where then do other religions fit into this thread, eg Shintoists, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Jains.

[Nationstatelandsville]

You've set up a false dichotomy between Christianity and Atheism. Where then do other religions fit into this thread, eg Shintoists, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Jains.

Pfft. Pagans are just fairy tales told by creepy uncles to small children before they scream about Satan living in toasters.

[Astrolinium]

I am an atheist.
I think it is foolish to believe otherwise.
I also think you have every damn right to be foolish if you want to, if it makes you happy or a better person and doesn't hurt anything. Perfectly wonderful people make complete fools of themselves every day, and I love them all the more for it.
Religion, it has been said, is like a penis: It's perfectly fine to have one, it's perfectly fine to be proud of it. But don't whip it out in public, and don't shove it down my throat unless I ask.

[Pope Joan]

Possible point of interest:

I was taught in seminary that the beginning line of B'reshith (Genesis) is not actually "In the beginning, God created" but rather "In A beginning, God created"
.

Which leaves open the possibility of multiverses, God and some basal reality coexisting before our universe, and so on.

Did Ancient Hebrew even have articles? I know some languages don't, and the translator has to pick an appropriate one when writing into a language that does.

I don't recall; this was my first semester of Hebrew, in 1985. Maybe it had to do with word positioning or something? Anyway Hebrew has a definite article, meaning "the", but no consistent indefinite article such as "a" or "an" although you could use substitutes such as "one". So there was at least NO DEFINITE article in the passage.

Here is an amazing translation of B'reshith 1:1 from "The Mechanizally Translated Hebrew Bible" (a literal translation, obviousuly):
"in~ Summit he~ did~ Fatten “Elohiym
[Powers]” At the~ Sky~ s2 and~ At
the~ Land"

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/bookstore/e-books/mtg.pdf

[Great Britan and Ireland]

*yawn*

The first one.

*mean comment about how this path is like Rhianna*

[Azhuru]

Eh, I'm a Zen Buddhist so don't really care what Atheists and Christians ramble about. You guys go ahead and argue, I'm just gonna chill in the corner meditating.

[The Merchant Republics]

What do you mean by "I think there's nothing wrong with being an atheist". Because I certainly understand and accept atheists, but clearly if I believe in God, and I do, there is something "wrong" with being an atheist and that's namely that it isn't a route to salvation. There's nothing irrational about atheism perhaps, but there is something wrong, from a Christian perspective.

[Hallistar]

God and religion are illogical when you get down to their very core. Some concepts as well are just downright silly. However, if there really was a god, they could do whatever they wanted. If there really was a god, they could make themselves stay behind the scenes and do dickish things and burn people in eternal hell because us the inferior beings didn't blindly believe him (assuming we landed the right belief system out of thousands). Its like the whole lion in the forest thing. Even though you don't like it, its still there. Religious belief is based on faith, but as much as tempting as it is to conclude there is absolutely no god and that no religion is correct, you just can't. So either I enjoy my life and burn in hell, or I blindly follow some belief and restrict myself from alot and turns out its not true. This kind of ambiguity in the universe, however, is why I dislike it, and won't have kids.

[New Sapienta]

Number 1, I have nothing against atheists as long as they don't start insulting me or my beliefs for it.

[Ceannairceach]

What do you mean by "I think there's nothing wrong with being an atheist". Because I certainly understand and accept atheists, but clearly if I believe in God, and I do, there is something "wrong" with being an atheist and that's namely that it isn't a route to salvation. There's nothing irrational about atheism perhaps, but there is something wrong, from a Christian perspective.

No,their is something deeply wrong with you, you irrational nonheathen.
*Slaps with a stack of biology textbooks*

[Genivaria]

The title alone is a flame magnet.

[Genivaria]

Thus, I submit that it is pointless to argue one way or the other.

You, like so many others before you, wholly misunderstand what is going on here. Arguing is the point. We enjoy it. That's why we do it all the fucking time.

Quoted for awesome.

[New Sapienta]

The title alone is a flame magnet.

A least he insults us equally.

Fuckin commie.

[New Rogernomics]

Do a google search on Atheist forums, the 'right-wing' ones are full of self hating gays against gay marriage, the 'left-wing' ones are full of people that refuse to act like intelligent human beings, and deny that there is any way forward save state capitalism and democratic socialism. /End truthful statement about how 'atheist' doesn't always imply common sense or rationality of an individual.

Edit: I never want to visit such horrors again.

[The Merchant Republics]

What do you mean by "I think there's nothing wrong with being an atheist". Because I certainly understand and accept atheists, but clearly if I believe in God, and I do, there is something "wrong" with being an atheist and that's namely that it isn't a route to salvation. There's nothing irrational about atheism perhaps, but there is something wrong, from a Christian perspective.

No,their is something deeply wrong with you, you irrational nonheathen.
*Slaps with a stack of biology textbooks*

That's always the first response with you Atheists, violence.

Now lay back in that comfy chair before I call out the Spanish Inquisition.

[New Sapienta]

Do a google search on Atheist forums, the 'right-wing' ones are full of self hating gays against gay marriage, the 'left-wing' ones are full of people that refuse to act like intelligent human beings, and deny that there is any way forward save state capitalism and democratic socialism. /End truthful statement about how 'atheist' doesn't always imply common sense or rationality of an individual.

Nice sweeping generalization.