Income Taxes: Are They Theft?

[Yootwopia]

To be fair, dictionaries don't actually create definitions, only report them.

OK but if we take the Kantian view that you cannot experience undefined things, surely they are creating potential experiences and suchlike for those who had not heard about them, yeah?

[Sibirsky]

Money could be metal, like coins. Or it could be anything. It could be electronic. But it must meet the criteria above. Fiat money fails the 3rd function?

Right...

See the thing is, right, the thing is. You aren't right. What about currencies that are no longer accepted after states fall apart/come together/just change currency?

Because I have some D-marks kinda lying around, and that was a Top Currency. Now it isn't.

What is your point, exactly?

[Distruzio]

That doesn't address the issue at all, and you know it. The question was "are income taxes theft?" It was not, "if you feel income taxes are theft, why don't you leave?"

No, your personal debate is whether or not you want citizenship and the associated dues and privileges. If you don't want them, give them up. simple as that

And my response was that those dues and privileges would have to be desired, in order to be granted. To which you responded, "then leave." This does not address the concern at all.

[Mad Monarch]

Sibirsky ran away from both of my debates again. He and his comrades seem to really like doing that

It's likely he moved on to more appealing discussions.

So he admits defeat? 2.5 people beaten in one thread.

Break out the party hats

[Sibirsky]

Do you not understand what "store of value" means? Your money decreases in value. That's not storing it.

If I have 5 X and they are worth 3 Y each, then I get 3 more X, but as a consequence an X is now worth only 2 Y, I haven't lost anything, I've gained.

You show me a "safe" method of savings that outpaces the "official" inflation number.

[United Dependencies]

Again, when was citizenship asked for?

You didn't ask for it.

You have it by virtue of being born within this country or born of citizens of this country.(assuming you are a US citizen)

With that citizenships comes taxes. However, that citizenship also confers rights, like the right to go to court for just about anything, the right to say/worship damn near anything you want, the right to vote for the person who makes your laws. The right to assemble and petition when you feel the person you voted in is not doing a good job. The right not to lose life, liberty, or property without due process of law etc.

[Mad Monarch]

No, your personal debate is whether or not you want citizenship and the associated dues and privileges. If you don't want them, give them up. simple as that

And my response was that those dues and privileges would have to be desired, in order to be granted. To which you responded, "then leave." This does not address the concern at all.

If you don't desire them, then they are not granted. You're over complicating things.

[Jinos]

The proper word is renounced.

I fail to see how you've proved me wrong. If you continue being a citizen, you are benefiting from that citizenship. If you don't wish to pay the club due, stop being a member of the club.

Renounced then. Apologies.

As to the rest of your nonsense:

That doesn't address the issue at all, and you know it. The question was "are income taxes theft?" It was not, "if you feel income taxes are theft, why don't you leave?"

That's because the object of "Staying" is essential to determine that taxes are a fee instead of a theft.

By "Staying" you consent to taxes.

[Sibirsky]

It steals from retirees, the poor, people on fixed incomes, veterans, etc.

I said it right there, in the 2nd sentence. Why do you hate the poor?

And deflation steals from anyone with a savings account.

What? Deflation adds to anyone with a savings account.

You do know what deflation is, correct?

[Yootwopia]

What is your point, exactly?

That everywhere has a bullshit currency that serves its purpose and is replaced by something 'better' but not?

Decrying fiat currencies as being without value by design is an underanalysis of currency as a Thing.

[United Dependencies]

To be fair, dictionaries don't actually create definitions, only report them.

Conceded.

Is every member of an english-speaking society a thief?

[Conserative Morality]

Conceded.

Is every member of an english-speaking society a theif?

Yes, because English steals words willy-nilly from other languages.

[United Dependencies]

Conceded.

Is every member of an english-speaking society a thief?

Yes, because English steals words willy-nilly from other languages.

Damnit

Point conceded again

[Distruzio]

Again, when was citizenship asked for?

You didn't ask for it.

You have it by virtue of being born within this country or born of citizens of this country.(assuming you are a US citizen)

With that citizenships comes taxes. However, that citizenship also confers rights, like the right to go to court for just about anything, the right to say/worship damn near anything you want, the right to vote for the person who makes your laws. The right to assemble and petition when you feel the person you voted in is not doing a good job. The right not to lose life, liberty, or property without due process of law etc.

That would be a satisfactory response, had I any choice as to the manner of gov't that I preferred. Since I do not, and I never did, I find that feudalism, or as near to that as the current paradigm is, is not to my liking, regardless of the "benefits" that such an existence grants me.

[Forsher]

Theft by Definition: The act of stealing property.
So, income taxes, are when the government forces you to give up your property. How is that not stealing property?
I believe that taxes are an act of theft. I believe that since theft is illegal, then taxes are illegal.
So, NSG, what do you think about income taxes? Illegal, legal, good, bad?

Legal and very good. Tax hate is evil.

[Sibirsky]

I never said the 1990s formula is the true formula, just that it is closer to reality.

Being more convenient politically =/= closer to reality. Inflation is complicated, because in the real world things are ALWAYS CHANGING. Perhaps a high range intel processor back in 1990 costed $400, and now a high range processor costs $700, however the processor today is several hundred thousand times more efficient. So what is the inflation rate for this product? 75%? Or is it -500,000% when taking into account efficiency gain? All inflation measures are samples, why on earth would the sample used in the 1990 measure (which inherently MUST be weighted to some products more and other products less) be any better than the modern sample?

Furthermore, reality actually shows that modern CPI is perfectly close to reality, because you can easily compare it to independent statistical price indexes, like billion price index which uses no 'hedonics'.

I never claimed it was simple.

[Distruzio]

And my response was that those dues and privileges would have to be desired, in order to be granted. To which you responded, "then leave." This does not address the concern at all.

If you don't desire them, then they are not granted. You're over complicating things.

It's nice when your ego admits confusion, isn't it?

[Sibirsky]

Then for the 4th time what are hedonics, geometric weighting, and substitution, and why are they bad. Seriously you're just waving them about as boogeymen at this point.

Hedonics-the branch of psychology that deals with pleasurable and unpleasurable states of consciousness.
geometric weighting- doesn't exist in any online dictionary
substitution- Do I even have to define this?

He is throwing around big words that are in no way connected in an effort to make a point.

My response: 911, terrorism, intercourse, INTERCOURSE!

[Death Metal]

Conceded.

Is every member of an english-speaking society a theif?

Yes, because English steals words willy-nilly from other languages.

True.

Though to be fair, other languages borrow from others too, just not as much as English does.

[Conserative Morality]

Sib, I'm a little confused about your position on Fiat currency's worth. Could you elaborate?

[Sibirsky]

It steals from retirees, the poor, people on fixed incomes, veterans, etc.

I said it right there, in the 2nd sentence. Why do you hate the poor?

Also retirees don't they get social services which are returns on there taxes. The poor gets IRS returns. Fixed Income people so? Veterans they can get a job.

[Patriqvinia]

No, that would be a fallacy. It's theft because something is taken from you without your consent.

Your consent is the willful continuation of living within the borders of said country as its citizen.

Social contract is bullshit. Birth isn't a valid contract.

Guess what, the government has the legal right to tax. It's not theft.

You forget that they say they don't believe the government has the right, on the grounds that saying so will justify their argument.

Which, ironically, is itself George is right because George says he is right.

No, it wouldn't. It's simple logic. Government can't have valid legal right because it gives itself the right, that's a circular argument and totally invalid.

[Conserative Morality]

True.

Though to be fair, other languages borrow from others too, just not as much as English does.

Other languages "forget" to return pens they picked up at the biweekly staff meeting. English breaks into the supply closet and runs off with every writing utensil it can find.

[Sibirsky]

And? Your point is? Those are city run departments. You know, the fucks that write the laws.

Thank you for saying that.

You hear that guys, he just admitted taxes are good. We can pack up and go home now.

Only in your twisted, economically illiterate head is that what I said.

[United Bakota Front]

I suppose the government should just magic money out of the air to pay for the roads, hospitals, and emergency services.

pritivitze the roads

Please be a joke post...