Income Taxes: Are They Theft?

[Ravineworld]

Breaking news. None of the shit you listen is paid for by income taxes. [citation needed]

So, then, what do income taxes pay for, then?

Politicians salaries, bailouts of greedy bankers, imperialistic wars, guantanamo bay, and enforcing tax laws to pay for all of those things.

[Sibirsky]

Breaking news. None of the shit you listen is paid for by income taxes. [citation needed]

So, then, what do income taxes pay for, then?

Federal spending. The things you mention are paid for by property taxes and the gasoline excise tax.

[Zeppy]

I can. The services I have used are all funded by other taxes and user fees. The only service I would have to use income taxes for, is the military. Considering how it's not been used in defense since I've been here, nothing I have used was paid for by income taxes. Which is a specific tax the OP is talking about.

I don't know the US budget process but isn't think like public infrastructure founded from a omnibus budget, which is later earmarked but the money came from one big fund of federal revenue?

I know there are gasoline taxes and other non-income related taxation that funds it but how can you differentiate where the tax money came from and when it was later used?

[Sibirsky]

And go where?

Hey, libertarians are the people who are always using "vote with your feet" as an argument. No fair pointing out the obvious flaws when you're the ones it's being used on.

Like that's a valid fucking comparison.

[Chinese Regions]

Hmm should Taxes be more like subscriptions?

Can you elaborate?

Well its not fun to pay for a hospital bill all at once but it is not fun to pay for someone's injuries either, how about you pay for your healthcare but only your own just like a subscription to a tv channel.

[Ovisterra]

So, then, what do income taxes pay for, then?

Politicians salaries, bailouts of greedy bankers, imperialistic wars, guantanamo bay, and enforcing tax laws to pay for all of those things.

And roads, hospitals, police, fire fighters, healthcare...

[Sibirsky]

And if he doesn't use them? What choice does he have in not paying taxes?

How do you not use public services?

I have never used the FBI, DEA, CIA, the military, etc. Not a single fucking time.

The services I do use, are paid for by property taxes, sales taxes, and the gasoline excise tax. Taxes not questioned in the OP.

[Zeppy]

Well its not fun to pay for a hospital bill all at once but it is not fun to pay for someone's injuries either, how about you pay for your healthcare but only your own just like a subscription to a tv channel.

Then the government is one big mutual insurance company.

Tyranny!

[Alyakia]

Hey, libertarians are the people who are always using "vote with your feet" as an argument. No fair pointing out the obvious flaws when you're the ones it's being used on.

Like that's a valid fucking comparison.

but seriosuly let's pause here for a second

how are you actually going to accomplish anything ideologically

when can i expect to be living in the free-market paradise

Well its not fun to pay for a hospital bill all at once but it is not fun to pay for someone's injuries either, how about you pay for your healthcare but only your own just like a subscription to a tv channel.

Holy shit is this a serious post? Like, seriously?

[Sibirsky]

I personally agree with this. I think that there should be government, but it should only protect those who pay for it's protection

It does. It protects (or is supposed to protect) everyone, and everyone pays it.

Not everyone pays it.

[Bostok]

I don't know about other nations but in america the income tax is only used to pay the intrest on the national debt.

Now give me your money or i will send my goons to get it for you.

[Genivaria]

How do you not use public services?

I have never used the FBI, DEA, CIA, the military, etc. Not a single fucking time.

The services I do use, are paid for by property taxes, sales taxes, and the gasoline excise tax. Taxes not questioned in the OP.

I think that citizens should have the right to withhold taxes for services they disapprove of or do not use.
How's that?

[Ovisterra]

It does. It protects (or is supposed to protect) everyone, and everyone pays it.

Not everyone pays it.

Who doesn't?

[Wikkiwallana]

Hey, libertarians are the people who are always using "vote with your feet" as an argument. No fair pointing out the obvious flaws when you're the ones it's being used on.

Like that's a valid fucking comparison.

Turn about is fair play. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean that it is any less telling that you object to hearing your own argument. Because this isn't even a comparison, it's the same damn thing.

[Alyakia]

Not everyone pays it.

Who doesn't?

general electric the poors

[Sibirsky]

I can. The services I have used are all funded by other taxes and user fees. The only service I would have to use income taxes for, is the military. Considering how it's not been used in defense since I've been here, nothing I have used was paid for by income taxes. Which is a specific tax the OP is talking about.

I don't know the US budget process but isn't think like public infrastructure founded from a omnibus budget, which is later earmarked but the money came from one big fund of federal revenue?

I know there are gasoline taxes and other non-income related taxation that funds it but how can you differentiate where the tax money came from and when it was later used?

You can't really. But the gasoline excise tax funds most of the roads, for example. That's why we have federal and state gasoline taxes.

[Ovisterra]

Who doesn't?

general electric the poors

Go on...

[Sibirsky]

Can you elaborate?

Well its not fun to pay for a hospital bill all at once but it is not fun to pay for someone's injuries either, how about you pay for your healthcare but only your own just like a subscription to a tv channel.

I do pay for my own healthcare.

[Ravineworld]

Politicians salaries, bailouts of greedy bankers, imperialistic wars, guantanamo bay, and enforcing tax laws to pay for all of those things.

And roads, hospitals, police, fire fighters, healthcare...

and roads: a monopoly on travel.
Hospitals: I'll give you that one
police: a monopoly on enforcement of laws that are artificial and serve no value
fire fighters: a monopoly lacking a pricing mechanism to fight fires.
healthcare: Sort of

[Chinese Regions]

Well its not fun to pay for a hospital bill all at once but it is not fun to pay for someone's injuries either, how about you pay for your healthcare but only your own just like a subscription to a tv channel.

Then the government is one big mutual insurance company.

Tyranny!

Or Monopoly what are AnCaps opinions on that?

[Sibirsky]

Politicians salaries, bailouts of greedy bankers, imperialistic wars, guantanamo bay, and enforcing tax laws to pay for all of those things.

And roads, hospitals, police, fire fighters, healthcare...

Nope. Not a single one of those is funded by income taxes.

[Consaria]

No. People don't complain that they have to pay to live in a house. Why can't a government put charges on living in their country? If you don't want to pay taxes for some reason, you can leave.

And go where?

Admittedly, not many places. However, it's not like the governments of the world are all scheming together to force everyone to pay income tax. The greater of society decided that taxation was for the best, just like most apartment owners think that charging rent is for the best.

[Revolutopia]

Hey, libertarians are the people who are always using "vote with your feet" as an argument. No fair pointing out the obvious flaws when you're the ones it's being used on.

Like that's a valid fucking comparison.

Hmm, someone disagrees with a State Government policy told by Libertarians if they don't like it they can go "Vote with their Feet" by leaving the State. Libertarian bitches about Federal Policy gets told if they don't like it they can go "Vote with their Feet" by leaving the Country. Seems to me like it is comparable as the solution is the same in both scenarios. Not all Nation-States have income taxes thus you have the option of moving there.

[Wikkiwallana]

Well its not fun to pay for a hospital bill all at once but it is not fun to pay for someone's injuries either, how about you pay for your healthcare but only your own just like a subscription to a tv channel.

I do pay for my own healthcare.

And the people with genetic conditions that cost a few million just to stay alive?

[The Congregationists]

Since theft, and the legal concept of property on which the concept of theft is based is just that - a legal concept, which in turn implies the existance of a legal system which in turn implies the necesity of a state, or at least a government, which must be funded somehow, then no, taxes are not theft. Furthermore, how much of our incomes are really due to infrastructure and services that the state provides - infrastructure, legal systems and so forth? On what grounds can anyone assert 100% owership over all their income when much of that income depends on factors of production provided by the state in the first place? Given that, I'd say NOT paying taxes is theft.