Obama or Bush?

[Mykola]

Us Americans are complete idiots to have ever fallen for the concept of "Political Parties". George Washington warned of the dangers that they could pose and of course instead of listening to him we just wipe our asses with his $1 bill(inflating big time, what happened to the gold?). Political parties have ruined America and as long as they exist we will always be only as good as the toilets we crap in. We need politicians who think independantly and do what is RIGHT. Not what their party wants, not what the insurance company wants, not what the oil company wants but what the PEOPLE want. Political parties are evil, every one of them but sadly we didn't listen to old George did we?

QFT

Well either you agree with me or you said one of the following:
quit frickin' talkin
or
Quack for trains

Sounds more like you agree with me

I agree with you sonny. QFT= Quoted for truth.

I know that. But you Puerto Ricans have it made. Because of this obscure little issue called "No taxation without representation" you don't have to pay Federal taxes. Unlike us here in Ohio.

[The Black Forrest]

Us Americans are complete idiots to have ever fallen for the concept of "Political Parties". George Washington warned of the dangers that they could pose and of course instead of listening to him we just wipe our asses with his $1 bill(inflating big time, what happened to the gold?). Political parties have ruined America and as long as they exist we will always be only as good as the toilets we crap in. We need politicians who think independantly and do what is RIGHT. Not what their party wants, not what the insurance company wants, not what the oil company wants but what the PEOPLE want. Political parties are evil, every one of them but sadly we didn't listen to old George did we?

Can you even name a major country in history that didn't have political parties?


Now for the big question; Is it the parties that mess everything up or is the people who voted them into office?

[Hydesland]

[Tunizcha]

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

[Gauthier]

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

When they have to compare Obama with one of their biggest fuckups to show how bad he supposedly is in less than a year of term, that says something.

[Rhodmhire]

Obama hasn't paid me personally to do his bidding yet.

I say Bush.

Disclaimer: However, neither has shown much affection towards me...

[Rhodmhire]

Curses!

The entire site, this NationStates, it's learning. It's mimicking my memes and Googling my pictures before even I can.

[Hydesland]

When they have to compare Obama with one of their biggest fuckups to show how bad he supposedly is in less than a year of term, that says something.

That isn't Obama, that's Beorge Obusha, a successful lab generated human created by fusing Bush and Obama's DNA together.

[Hydesland]

The entire site, this NationStates, it's learning. It's mimicking my memes and Googling my pictures before even I can.

Well I've had that pic for aaages, I think possibly before he was even elected president.

[Ralkovia]

When they have to compare Obama with one of their biggest fuckups to show how bad he supposedly is in less than a year of term, that says something.

That isn't Obama, that's Beorge Obusha, a successful lab generated human created by fusing Bush and Obama's DNA together.

The irony is that Beorge Obusha sounds more common than Barack Obama

[Hydesland]

The irony is that Beorge Obusha sounds more common than Barack Obama

I don't know, but I've decided that 'Beorge' sounds awesome. I think I'll name my kid that.

[Rhodmhire]

The entire site, this NationStates, it's learning. It's mimicking my memes and Googling my pictures before even I can.

Well I've had that pic for aaages, I think possibly before he was even elected president.

Even so, it must be stopped. The fate of humanity is at stake.

Disclaimer: And my joy of fun picture posting.

[Geniasis]

What? This makes no sense. If information gleaned from torture has prevented a terrorist attack, Bush's Administration would have broadcast it as justification.

Not really, its much more important to maintain secrecy then broadcast that we know what you guys are doing. I'm sure you would have had the British come out and tell the Nazi's that they had broken their code. Or for us to tell the Japanese we had the navajo and they wouldn't ever figure out what we said because we our so cool. Unlike in small scale life where your friends secret might affect like 4 or 5 people the ability to understand what terrorist are planning is a lot more important than saying to everyone HEY LOOK HOW SUCCESSFUL I AM. I FIGURED YOUR PLANS OUT. You do realize that when the terrorists or for that matter any enemy have no clue how much you know about what they are doing its sort of an advantage but thats just silly old me. I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to think like I do. Government's should definitely tell the people all about military top secrets. I say the government should allow us to roam area 51 and board Air Force 1.

The Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absense.

But beyond torture being morally abhorrent, it's also not efficient. Torture does not produce reliable results.

[Tunizcha]

The entire site, this NationStates, it's learning. It's mimicking my memes and Googling my pictures before even I can.

Well I've had that pic for aaages, I think possibly before he was even elected president.

Even so, it must be stopped. The fate of humanity is at stake.

Disclaimer: And my joy of fun picture posting.

It's not like NS is Skynet. Or is it?

[Hydesland]

Damn this offensively small text!

[Czardas]

All I have to say is Bush screwed our children with his spending and Obama screwed many generations to come with his spending and if the terrorists had attacked under Obama all he would have done is apologize to the world at how evil America is. At least Bush loved this country.

Loved it so much that he regularly undermined the Constitution that created it.

American presidents since Lincoln at very least have tended to consider the Constitution as more of a suggestion than anything else, to be honest. Bush is only the most recent example, and just the only one most NSG posters can remember because they tend to be under the age of twenty.

[Ralkovia]

What? This makes no sense. If information gleaned from torture has prevented a terrorist attack, Bush's Administration would have broadcast it as justification.

Not really, its much more important to maintain secrecy then broadcast that we know what you guys are doing. I'm sure you would have had the British come out and tell the Nazi's that they had broken their code. Or for us to tell the Japanese we had the navajo and they wouldn't ever figure out what we said because we our so cool. Unlike in small scale life where your friends secret might affect like 4 or 5 people the ability to understand what terrorist are planning is a lot more important than saying to everyone HEY LOOK HOW SUCCESSFUL I AM. I FIGURED YOUR PLANS OUT. You do realize that when the terrorists or for that matter any enemy have no clue how much you know about what they are doing its sort of an advantage but thats just silly old me. I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to think like I do. Government's should definitely tell the people all about military top secrets. I say the government should allow us to roam area 51 and board Air Force 1.

The Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absense.

But beyond torture being morally abhorrent, it's also not efficient. Torture does not produce reliable results.

Yeah but it gets them talking...well I seriously need to go to sleep.

[Geniasis]

Yeah but it gets them talking...well I seriously need to go to sleep.

Yeah it gets them talking. Problem is, it may not be the truth. See, people who are tortured will say whatever you want them to. They'll do whatever they think will make the torture stop.

That's why real interrogators try different tricks. Ones that work.

Real life =/= 24.

[Ralkovia]

Like what?
Torture is detrimental to making someone speak and its easy to make sure they are telling the truth. A lie coming from a tortured person is easy and then you waterboard them to make them speak the truth.

[New Kereptica]

Like what?
Torture is detrimental to making someone speak and its easy to make sure they are telling the truth. A lie coming from a tortured person is easy and then you waterboard them to make them speak the truth.

Because waterboarding is not torture. Obviously.

[Hobbes City and Lanos]

All I have to say is Bush screwed our children with his spending and Obama screwed many generations to come with his spending and if the terrorists had attacked under Obama all he would have done is apologize to the world at how evil America is. At least Bush loved this country.

This

[Unchecked Expansion]

Like what?
Torture is detrimental to making someone speak and its easy to make sure they are telling the truth. A lie coming from a tortured person is easy and then you waterboard them to make them speak the truth.

We think you lied last time we tortured you, so we'll torture you some more...

[Buffett and Colbert]

I know that. But you Puerto Ricans have it made. Because of this obscure little issue called "No taxation without representation" you don't have to pay Federal taxes. Unlike us here in Ohio.

Well actually, that's not true. We do have to pay federal sales tax.

[Exilia and Colonies]

Like what?
Torture is detrimental to making someone speak and its easy to make sure they are telling the truth. A lie coming from a tortured person is easy and then you waterboard them to make them speak the truth.

Since when did waterboarding gain magical truth creating properties? Its more renowned for its gibberish creating properties.

[Geniasis]

Torture is detrimental to making someone speak

What is it with all the Freudian slips recently?

and its easy to make sure they are telling the truth. A lie coming from a tortured person is easy and then you waterboard them to make them speak the truth.

That's... not how reality works.