Obama or Bush?

[Emericanland]

Arguments that Bush is a war criminal: 1347
Whineings about Obama being an Islamo-Nazi Communist: 942
Sitting back and watching the partisan hacks make fools of themselves: Priceless

I agree, my friend. Oh, it's good to be a Socialist...

If Bush is a war criminal then so is Lincoln, FDR, truman,and every other president that was in office during a war.
If you're socialist then you must not have a job where your hard earned money goes to people who sit on couches all day or your money is given to failing companies with no chance of payback; therefore, you must be the guy sitting on the couch getting handouts.

[Ralkovia]

Epic, and I do say, EPIC win.

Not really. It presents Obama's position as a strawman, reverses into something ridiculous and then accuses him of hypocrisy.

It'd be like if I was for capital punishment and then switched my position when I found out I was going to be sentenced to death for murder

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[Emericanland]

Yeah we're definitely not interested in fairness or logic...

That is what I said, yes.

I guess no one is interested in fairness or logic because Liberals sure aren't and if Conservative's are not then that doesn't leave anyone.

[Geniasis]

If Bush is a war criminal then so is Lincoln, FDR, truman,and every other president that was in office during a war.

Lincoln: suspended habeas corpus
FDR: internment camps
Truman: the bomb?

I imagine this is what you're talking about?

If you're socialist then you must not have a job where your hard earned money goes to people who sit on couches all day or your money is given to failing companies with no chance of payback; therefore, you must be the guy sitting on the couch getting handouts.

That does not follow. Why can't socialists have jobs?

[Greed and Death]

On the first September 13th after both their presidencies had begun?
Bush was doing well. given we suddenly found ourselves pearl harbored.

[Geniasis]

Epic, and I do say, EPIC win.

Not really. It presents Obama's position as a strawman, reverses into something ridiculous and then accuses him of hypocrisy.

It'd be like if I was for capital punishment and then switched my position when I found out I was going to be sentenced to death for murder

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Actually, all you did was make the second half of my post contradict the first half.

Not a very good fix.

[Emericanland]

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That is a proper greeting for people of EQUAL power. Obama openly showed submission. Their is a slight, but important difference.

This is simply, fucking undeniably and reliably untrue.

Just like kissing, bowing is a customary greeting in many Asian cultures. It's a sign of respect, not submission.

Did the king bow back? If he did then your right, but if he didn't then Obama just showed he was weak to the king.

[Katganistan]

All I have to say is Bush screwed our children with his spending and Obama screwed many generations to come with his spending and if the terrorists had attacked under Obama all he would have done is apologize to the world at how evil America is. At least Bush loved this country.

No, he loved his buddies in Halliburton and Blackwater and the oil companies.
He most certainly did not love the many thousands of soldiers he embroiled in pointless conflict nor did he give a rat's ass about the rest of us at home.

And lest you forget, Bush spent plenty on bailouts before he went http://detroit.about.com/od/bigthreebai ... ailout.htm http://knowledge.emory.edu/article.cfm?articleid=412 http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/ ... index.html ... and his own stimulus package... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23143814/...

[Buffett and Colbert]

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That is a proper greeting for people of EQUAL power. Obama openly showed submission. Their is a slight, but important difference.

This is simply, fucking undeniably and reliably untrue.

Just like kissing, bowing is a customary greeting in many Asian cultures. It's a sign of respect, not submission.

Did the king bow back? If he did then your right, but if he didn't then Obama just showed he was weak to the king.

Can you link me to something that proves he didn't?

[Emericanland]

Lincoln: suspended habeas corpus
FDR: internment camps
Truman: the bomb?

I imagine this is what you're talking about?


That does not follow. Why can't socialists have jobs?

Im talking about the fact that each president has to do something to fight their enemy and in all cases it's bad. War is not a good thing and sometimes in order to ensure victory in it you have to do things that are not normally acceptable, but in all the cases it was always to the enemy of the country.

and no sane person would give their hard earned dollars to someone who will not work because they don't feel like it, but you know what you're right. The reason you're socialist is because it makes you feel good by having money taken from people who worked hard for their riches and giving it to the lazy, but when your taxes increase you start whining about how unfair life is because you shouldn't be paying for these things. Socialist are usually insane or hypocritical.

[Geniasis]

Im talking about the fact that each president has to do something to fight their enemy and in all cases it's bad. War is not a good thing and sometimes in order to ensure victory in it you have to do things that are not normally acceptable, but in all the cases it was always to the enemy of the country.

But is it too much to expect the president to follow the laws of our country?

[Buffett and Colbert]

Im talking about the fact that each president has to do something to fight their enemy and in all cases it's bad. War is not a good thing and sometimes in order to ensure victory in it you have to do things that are not normally acceptable, but in all the cases it was always to the enemy of the country.

So it's alright if it isn't happening to you?

[Ralkovia]

When your dead, no one can here you bitch about how bad torture is.

Torture doesn't save lives.

Compared to chopping off heads, chopping off fingers and toes, gouging out their eyes, cutting off private parts, all preferred methods of torture used by Islamic terrorists - what we do is a simple slap. Torture does save lives...why haven't we had a major terrorist attack since 9/11?

There is a difference, in perspective its like trying someone for jaywalking to save a kitty(Iraq/World) from being run over(Saddam Hussein) vs. Open Genocide.

So let me put this in a hypothetical to you, You have 2 minutes before a nuke somewhere in new york city is about to go off, you captured the guy who has the code and the location of the nuke. What are you going to do? Ask him nicely, wait for him. What are you going to do?Even then, has the torture of Iraqi's and terrorists affected you in anyway besides preventing hrmmm another terrorist attack. Your comparing apples to bombs here...and guess what bombs are a lot deadlier than some water dripped on your face for extended periods of time or being scared out of your mind.

Fanaticals who want to kill you < mock death scenes, pain, and prison time

Ridiculous hypothetical that has never happened outside of 24 and has no connection to reality. Next?

Not really, it can be substituted for anything. A car bomb, a biological attack, an assassination. I'm just trying to prove a worst case scenario but as someone said before. The needs of the many over the needs of the few.

[Ralkovia]

Epic, and I do say, EPIC win.

Not really. It presents Obama's position as a strawman, reverses into something ridiculous and then accuses him of hypocrisy.

It'd be like if I was for capital punishment and then switched my position when I found out I was going to be sentenced to death for murder

Fix'd for accuracy

Actually, all you did was make the second half of my post contradict the first half.

Not a very good fix.

Perhaps you should read the cartoon again. Thats what the cartoon was, Obama contradicting his policies.

[Gauthier]

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That is a proper greeting for people of EQUAL power. Obama openly showed submission. Their is a slight, but important difference.

This is simply, fucking undeniably and reliably untrue.

Just like kissing, bowing is a customary greeting in many Asian cultures. It's a sign of respect, not submission.

Did the king bow back? If he did then your right, but if he didn't then Obama just showed he was weak to the king.

Can you link me to something that proves he didn't?

Awww, but Emericanland is trying to prove Obama's obviously a sleeper agent for Al'Qaeda and that his submission to Kind Saud is just the first step before he capitulates to Bin Ladin and turns the United States into the Ameri-Caliphate.

[Geniasis]

Compared to chopping off heads, chopping off fingers and toes, gouging out their eyes, cutting off private parts, all preferred methods of torture used by Islamic terrorists - what we do is a simple slap.

That's not at all relevant.

Torture does save lives...why haven't we had a major terrorist attack since 9/11?

There's a host of reasons why that might be. Considering that torture has been proven to provide unreliable information I very much doubt it is the reason why we have not had another successful attack.

Not really, it can be substituted for anything. A car bomb, a biological attack, an assassination. I'm just trying to prove a worst case scenario but as someone said before. The needs of the many over the needs of the few.

Yes really. Interrogation works a lot differently from 24.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Compared to chopping off heads, chopping off fingers and toes, gouging out their eyes, cutting off private parts, all preferred methods of torture used by Islamic terrorists - what we do is a simple slap.

Torture is torture. No form is better than the other.

Torture does save lives...why haven't we had a major terrorist attack since 9/11?

Why did we only have on terrorist attack in modern US history beforehand?[/quote]

[Geniasis]

Perhaps you should read the cartoon again. Thats what the cartoon was, Obama contradicting his policies.

Yeah, I know what the cartoon was. It just doesn't hold up. It accuses him of contradictions based on a strawman and not on his actual policies.

[Rolling squid]

When your dead, no one can here you bitch about how bad torture is.

There is a difference, in perspective its like trying someone for jaywalking to save a kitty(Iraq/World) from being run over(Saddam Hussein) vs. Open Genocide.

So let me put this in a hypothetical to you, You have 2 minutes before a nuke somewhere in new york city is about to go off, you captured the guy who has the code and the location of the nuke. What are you going to do? Ask him nicely, wait for him. What are you going to do?Even then, has the torture of Iraqi's and terrorists affected you in anyway besides preventing hrmmm another terrorist attack. Your comparing apples to bombs here...and guess what bombs are a lot deadlier than some water dripped on your face for extended periods of time or being scared out of your mind.

Fanaticals who want to kill you < mock death scenes, pain, and prison time

Your hypothetical doesn't work, and would never occur in real life. So please stop getting your arguments off 24. And please show me one terrorist attack torture has prevented. THe fact is, Bush broke the Geneva conventions, not to mention our own constitution, and should therefore be punished.

[Ralkovia]

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That is a proper greeting for people of EQUAL power. Obama openly showed submission. Their is a slight, but important difference.

This is simply, fucking undeniably and reliably untrue.

Just like kissing, bowing is a customary greeting in many Asian cultures. It's a sign of respect, not submission.

Did the king bow back? If he did then your right, but if he didn't then Obama just showed he was weak to the king.

Can you link me to something that proves he didn't?

Actually he's pretty much asking for you to provide him with the link saying the king didn't bow back. You can't do the provide me with evidence first thing thats against the rules. Sort of like torture and we all know that torture is exactly like genocide amirite Rolling Squid. So in effect Buffet you just committed Genocide according to rolling squid. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Actually he's pretty much asking for you to provide him with the link saying the king didn't bow back. You can't do the provide me with evidence first thing thats against the rules. Sort of like torture and we all know that torture is exactly like genocide amirite Rolling Squid. So in effect Buffet you just committed Genocide according to rolling squid. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Wait, what?

LIES AND SLANDER I TELL YOU!

EDIT-- http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... _king.html

The King did nod his head. But also, it is not mandatory to bow back. Technically, that was a little rude, but hey, he persecutes anyone who isn't his version of Sunni Muslim. What can you expect?

[Emericanland]

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That is a proper greeting for people of EQUAL power. Obama openly showed submission. Their is a slight, but important difference.

This is simply, fucking undeniably and reliably untrue.

Just like kissing, bowing is a customary greeting in many Asian cultures. It's a sign of respect, not submission.

Did the king bow back? If he did then your right, but if he didn't then Obama just showed he was weak to the king.

Can you link me to something that proves he didn't?

Awww, but Emericanland is trying to prove Obama's obviously a sleeper agent for Al'Qaeda and that his submission to Kind Saud is just the first step before he capitulates to Bin Ladin and turns the United States into the Ameri-Caliphate.

no Im trying to prove Obama is either a typical liberal wuss or just prefers the Arab's over Israel. Besides he couldn't because not all of America would blindly follow his teleprompter. Many states would succeed most of which keep food on your table allowing you to continue to make stupid comments such as this in an attempt to degrade my view point, but not really providing a counter view point.

[Emericanland]

Actually he's pretty much asking for you to provide him with the link saying the king didn't bow back. You can't do the provide me with evidence first thing thats against the rules. Sort of like torture and we all know that torture is exactly like genocide amirite Rolling Squid. So in effect Buffet you just committed Genocide according to rolling squid. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Wait, what?

LIES AND SLANDER I TELL YOU!

Buffet just doesn't want to go look at facts because he would rather I did so that he could attack whatever source I find as not being fair and if it proves his point then he will just say how stupid I am without ever actually debating. This is a typical Liberal move which is why I'm not actually expecting any links from Buffet.


So as I posted the above Buffet actually found a link, which actually upon reading proved my idea that Obama showed his submissive nature towards arabs.

[Buffett and Colbert]

no Im trying to prove Obama is either a typical liberal wuss or just prefers the Arab's over Israel.

That's exactly what you've been trying to do.

Many states would succeed most of which keep food on your table allowing you to continue to make stupid comments such as this in an attempt to degrade my view point, but not really providing a counter view point.

I've been constantly disproving your views and rightfully dismissing them with evidence of my own due to their nonsensical traits. You seem to still be under the illusion that you are winning this debate.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Actually he's pretty much asking for you to provide him with the link saying the king didn't bow back. You can't do the provide me with evidence first thing thats against the rules. Sort of like torture and we all know that torture is exactly like genocide amirite Rolling Squid. So in effect Buffet you just committed Genocide according to rolling squid. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Wait, what?

LIES AND SLANDER I TELL YOU!

Buffet just doesn't want to go look at facts because he would rather I did so that he could attack whatever source I find as not being fair and if it proves his point then he will just say how stupid I am without ever actually debating. This is a typical Liberal move which is why I'm not actually expecting any links from Buffett.

I think someone is a little slow on the sarcasm detection.