Obama or Bush?

[North Suran]

Wasn't he talking to kindengartners or something? Oh what fun it would have been,"Sorry kids I have to go now, we just had a major terrorist attack and a bunch of people are dead."

As opposed to just - you know - leaving early?

I doubt the kids would have demanded to know why he had to leave.

And if the worst came to worst, he could have lied; Christ knows, he has enough experience.

And risk fright. You obviously have never had a president just get up and leave without knowing something horribly wrong happened. Its an OSHI- kind of state of mind when the leader of the free world gets up and leaves in the middle of something. I'm sure he could have lied but you want him to lie when the oppurtunity suits you best.

The President of the USA has better things to do than read "My Pet Goat" with a bunch of pre-teens?

OGOD ANARCHY WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE AH JIHAD AHAHAHAH.

At any rate, I'm pretty sure the whole nation takes priority over a bunch of kids.

And there's a big difference between lying to some school children and lying to the UN.

The whole nation? So your preaching lets go out and traumatize some kids for life. The President was acting calm, do you think that possibly while he finished it up he was planning some sort of response or do you think he was preoccupied with reading his book and can't multi-task. I'm sure if your human you can read a Pre-K book and formulate some sort of plan.

1. I'm not preaching to "traumatize some kids for life", as you so eloquently attacked that strawman. I am merely stating that pre-teens aren't going to immediately realise that the country was under attack because the President had to leave early. Hell, they would have been much more traumatised by the various news reports that clearly displayed the World Trade Centre being taken down.

2. As has been established many a time, Bush's intelligence often reached sub-human standards.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Nazi Germany started with a bailout, then a takeover of the auto industry, and after that was their socialized medicine.

You've just described all of modern Europe.

They treated the Jew's like how Liberal's treat the rich.

Is it just me, or is has there been a lack of concentration camps for the rich, lately?

Besides, we all know Obama prefers Muslim countries over Israel.

In what way?

He even bows to muslim leaders.

So?

[Emericanland]

All I have to say is Bush screwed our children with his spending and Obama screwed many generations to come with his spending and if the terrorists had attacked under Obama all he would have done is apologize to the world at how evil America is. At least Bush loved this country.

Both attempt to enforce their petty morals on us.

One seeks to install a strong sense of individual morality, aka related to Christian morality.

The other seeks to install a collective morality, at the expense of the rights of the individual. To impose a false sense of morality for the sake of the 'greater good'.

Both seek to damn us into a cycle of regret and failure.

at least it has been proven that the individualism outperforms the collectivism

[Gauthier]

Besides, we all know Obama prefers Muslim countries over Israel. He even bows to muslim leaders.

While a Good Christian Man stood up to the Ebil Mozlem Horde-

Oh wait...

[Buffett and Colbert]

right now they are not, but half the time they are trying to be friends with the Liberal party at every turn.

You're argument is collapsing, and I think you know it.

The democrats just want Republican support on these issues,

Who wouldn't? America isn't only comprised of democrats.

So if something goes wrong then they have someone to blame.

No, I think they actually (gasp) want input.

[Tunizcha]

Nazi Germany started with a bailout, then a takeover of the auto industry, and after that was their socialized medicine. They treated the Jew's like how Liberal's treat the rich. Besides, we all know Obama prefers Muslim countries over Israel. He even bows to muslim leaders.

Apples and oranges.

Socialized medicine is not the public option. Calling a government option to provide insurance socialized makes you seem like you don't understand what socialized is. When did a liberal shove a rich person into a gas chamber/shoot them in the face/light them on fire/force them into internment camps/etc.? And I would like to know why you think Obama is partial to Muslim countries. Obama bowed to the Saudi king, yes. Bush made out with the Saudi king.

[Geniasis]

at least it has been proven that the individualism outperforms the collectivism

When was it proven?

[Buffett and Colbert]

at least it has been proven that the individualism outperforms the collectivism

Source?

[North Suran]

All I have to say is Bush screwed our children with his spending and Obama screwed many generations to come with his spending and if the terrorists had attacked under Obama all he would have done is apologize to the world at how evil America is. At least Bush loved this country.

Both attempt to enforce their petty morals on us.

One seeks to install a strong sense of individual morality, aka related to Christian morality.

The other seeks to install a collective morality, at the expense of the rights of the individual. To impose a false sense of morality for the sake of the 'greater good'.

Both seek to damn us into a cycle of regret and failure.

at least it has been proven that the individualism outperforms the collectivism

Because I totally remember that press conference where Obama claimed that the Recession could be easily fixed by the instatement of collective farms.

Wait, wasn't that an Onion video?

[Parthenon]

A plane struck the empire state building previously in history. It wouldn't be completely out of the question for it to be an accidental occurrence. These facts weren't known within 5 seconds...

Except, of course, for the fact that he stayed a further five minutes after being conclusively told by an aide that the country was under attack.

But hey, let's not let the facts get in the way of your baseless propaganda!

So did the aide say,"Mr. President a plane crashed into the World Trade tower."
Or did the aide say,"Mr. President we're under attack and being invaded."
There is a multitude of differences between those two and the responses that go with them.

He was told the first time that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Centre.

On the second time, he was told the country was under attack.

He continued to stay there for at least five minutes.

Stop living in denial.

Really? Were you the aide that did the telling or are you actually the former president?

[Emericanland]

Nazi Germany started with a bailout, then a takeover of the auto industry, and after that was their socialized medicine.

You've just described all of modern Europe.

They treated the Jew's like how Liberal's treat the rich.

Is it just me, or is has there been a lack of concentration camps for the rich, lately?

Besides, we all know Obama prefers Muslim countries over Israel.

In what way?

He even bows to muslim leaders.

So?

So you're saying we should be just like Europe even though in our much shorter history then theirs we have surpassed them in every way? Did you know France elected a conservative president and Spain is getting rid of their cap and trade program because it caused 18% unemployment. We are becoming more socialized as they are trying to become more conservative.

[North Suran]

He was told the first time that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Centre.

On the second time, he was told the country was under attack.

He continued to stay there for at least five minutes.

Stop living in denial.

Really? Were you the aide that did the telling or are you actually the former president?

And I take it you were there personally, and you're about to reveal that the aide was actually an Ebil Socializt Athiast Moslem, who deliberately misinformed Bush to make him look bad?

[Ralkovia]

Wasn't he talking to kindengartners or something? Oh what fun it would have been,"Sorry kids I have to go now, we just had a major terrorist attack and a bunch of people are dead."

As opposed to just - you know - leaving early?

I doubt the kids would have demanded to know why he had to leave.

And if the worst came to worst, he could have lied; Christ knows, he has enough experience.

And risk fright. You obviously have never had a president just get up and leave without knowing something horribly wrong happened. Its an OSHI- kind of state of mind when the leader of the free world gets up and leaves in the middle of something. I'm sure he could have lied but you want him to lie when the oppurtunity suits you best.

The President of the USA has better things to do than read "My Pet Goat" with a bunch of pre-teens?

OGOD ANARCHY WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE AH JIHAD AHAHAHAH.

At any rate, I'm pretty sure the whole nation takes priority over a bunch of kids.

And there's a big difference between lying to some school children and lying to the UN.

The whole nation? So your preaching lets go out and traumatize some kids for life. The President was acting calm, do you think that possibly while he finished it up he was planning some sort of response or do you think he was preoccupied with reading his book and can't multi-task. I'm sure if your human you can read a Pre-K book and formulate some sort of plan.

1. I'm not preaching to "traumatize some kids for life", as you so eloquently attacked that strawman. I am merely stating that pre-teens aren't going to immediately realise that the country was under attack because the President had to leave early. Hell, they would have been much more traumatised by the various news reports that clearly displayed the World Trade Centre being taken down.

2. As has been established many a time, Bush's intelligence often reached sub-human standards.

1. Oh really? The president wanted to keep the kids calm. Its sort of a personal/informal thing. A personal interaction with a person builds a bond, he was talking to kids. So he wanted to keep them calm and try to prevent them from being scared.

2. Your commenting on a man who became president. Thats like calling Hitler(not comparing Bush to Hitler) an idiot. It takes a genius to actually lead. Of course something happens and you believe that the leaders reaction is pretty dumb but still he is human. Despite your comments on him being stupid, it seriously takes someone with brains or good-looks to be elected.

[Geniasis]

So you're saying we should be just like Europe even though in our much shorter history then theirs we have surpassed them in every way?

Once again I ask for your source. If you do not comply, I will be forced to disregard your opinion.

[Ralkovia]

He was told the first time that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Centre.

On the second time, he was told the country was under attack.

He continued to stay there for at least five minutes.

Stop living in denial.

Really? Were you the aide that did the telling or are you actually the former president?

And I take it you were there personally, and you're about to reveal that the aide was actually an Ebil Socializt Athiast Moslem, who deliberately misinformed Bush to make him look bad?

Your taking what he said out of context. He never told you what he believes the aide said however you did. Your point is mute.

[North Suran]

The whole nation? So your preaching lets go out and traumatize some kids for life. The President was acting calm, do you think that possibly while he finished it up he was planning some sort of response or do you think he was preoccupied with reading his book and can't multi-task. I'm sure if your human you can read a Pre-K book and formulate some sort of plan.

1. I'm not preaching to "traumatize some kids for life", as you so eloquently attacked that strawman. I am merely stating that pre-teens aren't going to immediately realise that the country was under attack because the President had to leave early. Hell, they would have been much more traumatised by the various news reports that clearly displayed the World Trade Centre being taken down.

2. As has been established many a time, Bush's intelligence often reached sub-human standards.

1. Oh really? The president wanted to keep the kids calm. Its sort of a personal/informal thing. A personal interaction with a person builds a bond, he was talking to kids. So he wanted to keep them calm and try to prevent them from being scared.

He wasn't even speaking to them.

He was sitting there - in silence - contemplatively.

2. Your commenting on a man who became president. Thats like calling Hitler(not comparing Bush to Hitler) an idiot. It takes a genius to actually lead. Of course something happens and you believe that the leaders reaction is pretty dumb but still he is human. Despite your comments on him being stupid, it seriously takes someone with brains or good-looks to be elected.

In a modern democracy, money is an able substitute for intelligence.

[Emericanland]

All I have to say is Bush screwed our children with his spending and Obama screwed many generations to come with his spending and if the terrorists had attacked under Obama all he would have done is apologize to the world at how evil America is. At least Bush loved this country.

Both attempt to enforce their petty morals on us.

One seeks to install a strong sense of individual morality, aka related to Christian morality.

The other seeks to install a collective morality, at the expense of the rights of the individual. To impose a false sense of morality for the sake of the 'greater good'.

Both seek to damn us into a cycle of regret and failure.

at least it has been proven that the individualism outperforms the collectivism

Because I totally remember that press conference where Obama claimed that the Recession could be easily fixed by the instatement of collective farms.

Wait, wasn't that an Onion video?

No he just wants the rich to give away their money to the poor and wants everyone to do some community service for their glorious leader. He also wants the American people to pay for failing companies to prop them up and he wants everyone to have the same health coverage because if anyone other then our glorious leader had better coverage then it would be unfair.

[New Kereptica]

Your taking what he said out of context. He never told you what he believes the aide said however you did. Your point is moot.

Fix'd.

[Buffett and Colbert]

So you're saying we should be just like Europe

In quite a few ways, yes.

even though in our much shorter history then theirs we have surpassed them in every way?

Incorrect.

Did you know France elected a conservative president and Spain is getting rid of their cap and trade program because it caused 18% unemployment. We are becoming more socialized as they are trying to become more conservative.

What are you blabbering on about?

[Geniasis]

No he just wants the rich to give away their money to the poor and wants everyone to do some community service for their glorious leader. He also wants the American people to pay for failing companies to prop them up and he wants everyone to have the same health coverage because if anyone other then our glorious leader had better coverage then it would be unfair.

You're not interested in fairness or logic at all, are you? You simply want to smear Obama and the Democratic party with absolutely no regard for the truth.

[BrightonBurg]

Bush.

if I had to pick one.

[Emericanland]

So you're saying we should be just like Europe even though in our much shorter history then theirs we have surpassed them in every way?

Once again I ask for your source. If you do not comply, I will be forced to disregard your opinion.

We beat Britain twice(the reason we exist) and we saved them from Germany twice. They had to make the EU to compete. History is the only source needed. Why don't you provide info on how we are not better then them(based on facts not opinion)?

[New Kereptica]

So you're saying we should be just like Europe even though in our much shorter history then theirs we have surpassed them in every way?

Once again I ask for your source. If you do not comply, I will be forced to disregard your opinion.

We beat Britain twice(the reason we exist) and we saved them from Germany twice. They had to make the EU to compete. History is the only source needed. Why don't you provide info on how we are not better then them(based on facts not opinion)?

We beat them once, and we needed the French to do it. The second time they burned the White House down. Our aid in WWI was negligible. The Pound has, in the past, been worth as much as twice the USD, and the Euro has come close. Right now, 1 British pound = 1.6687 U.S. dollars and 1 Euro = 1.4594 U.S. dollars.

[Ralkovia]

Considering only one is a war criminal, this ain't exactly a hard choice.

You kids throw around that term far too often. Are you seriously trying to compare bush to the likes of Goebbels and Bormann? Have you ever even studied the Nuremberg Trials?

Just because Bush didn't commit atrocities on the same level as the Nazis doesn't exempt him from war criminal status. Ted Bundy and some dude who shot his ex-wife are both murderers.

Um, what?

Just because a crime can be committed on a much greater magnitude doesn't mean that committing the same crime on a smaller magnitude isn't a crime. Bush's acts of torture were a war crime, as were the acts of Nazi Germany.

Its just me but I thought that Nazi Germany's war crime was genocide, torture, wholesale slaughter, slave labor

. Participation in a common plan of conspiracy for the accomplishment of crimes against peace

2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace

Planning and executing a campaign of invasion of its European neighbors, as well as the conspiracy to violate the Treaty of Versailles and the Treaty of Saint-Germain through the remilitarization of the Rhineland, and the annexations of Austria and Czechoslovakia.
3. War Crimes These were limited to atrocities against combatants or conventional crimes committed by military units (see War crimes of the Wehrmacht), and include:

Invasion of Poland, in the period of 1 September - 25 October 1939 German Wehrmacht during its military actions engaged in executions of Polish POWs, bombed hospitals, murdered civilians, shot refugees, executed wounded soldiers. The cautious estimates give a number of at least 16,000 murdered victims[4]
Pacification Operations in German occupied Poland, during the occupation of Poland by German Reich, Wehrmacht forces took part in several pacification actions in rural areas, that resulted in murder of at least 20,000 Polish villagers
Le Paradis massacre, May 1940, British soldiers of the Royal Norfolk Regiment, captured by the SS and subsequently murdered. Fritz Knoechlein tried, found guilty and hanged.
Wormhoudt massacre, May 1940, British and French soldiers captured by the SS and subsequently murdered. No one found guilty of the crime.
d'Ardenne Massacres, June 1944 Canadian soldiers captured by the SS and murdered by 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend. SS General Kurt Meyer (Panzermeyer) sentenced to be shot 1946; sentence commuted; released 1954
Malmedy massacre, December 1944, United States POWs captured by Kampfgruppe Peiper were murdered outside of Malmedy, Belgium.
Gardelegen (war crime)
Marzabotto massacre
Sant'Anna di Stazzema
Cefalonia Massacre
Oradour-sur-Glane
The annihilation of the Czech city of Lidice. As an act of vengeance for the murder of Reinhard Heydrich.
Massacre of Kalavryta
Distomo massacre
The suppression of the 1944 Warsaw Uprising and subsequent leveling of the whole city
The treatment of Soviet POWs throughout the war, who were not given the protections and guarantees of the Geneva Convention
Unrestricted submarine warfare against merchant shipping
Vinkt Massacre
Heusden; town hall massacre (November 1944).
4. Crimes against Humanity These were crimes that were committed well away from the lines of battle and were unconnected in any way to military activity.

The major crime was the Holocaust, including:
The construction and use of Vernichtungslagern, most prominently at Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Treblinka, Majdanek, Belzec, Sobibór, and Chełmno
The employment of other camps across Europe, including Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Mauthausen and Bergen-Belsen which served unofficially as death camps to a degree
Death marches of prisoners, particularly in the last months of the war when the aforementioned camps were being overrun by the Allies
The widespread use of slave labor and forced/unfree labor by the Nazi regime, including the use of concentration camp and extermination camp prisoners as slaves
The establishment of Jewish Ghettos in Eastern Europe
The use of SS Einsatzgruppen, mobile extermination squads
Babi Yar
Rumbula
Dnepropetrovsk
Ninth Fort
Simferopol
The massacre of 100,000 Jews and Poles at Paneriai
The suppression of the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising which erupted when the SS came to clear the ghetto and send all of the occupants to extermination camps
Izieu Massacre
Other crimes against humanity included:

The Porajmos, the Nazi pogrom against the Romany peoples of Europe
The Łapanka or "Catching Game," – Nazi roundups of Poles in the major cities for slave labor and other purposes
Nikolaev Massacre
Operation Tannenberg, the AB Action and the Massacre of Lwów professors, all Nazi actions in Poland meant to mass murder the Polish intelligentsia and other potential leaders of resistance.
The Nazi T-4 Euthanasia Program, an aborted eugenics program meant to kill German children who were mentally or physically handicapped. 200,000 people were gassed to death due to this program.
The Nazi crimes against Soviet POWs, resulted in some 3.3 million to 3.5 million deaths, about 60% of all Soviet POWs.[21]
At least 10 million, and perhaps over 20 million innocent non-combatants were systematically murdered by the Nazi regime in the commission of crimes against humanity, of which the Holocaust lives on in particular infamy, since the largest number of deaths happened among Jewish citizens of states invaded or controlled by the Nazi regime. At least 5 to 6 million Jews were murdered by the Nazis, although a complete count may never be known. Though much of Continental Europe suffered from the Nazi murders, Poland and Russia, in particular, were the states most devastated by these crimes, with many of their Jewish and a good number of their Christian citizens slaughtered by the Nazi aggressor. After the war, from 1945 to 1949, the Nazi regime was put on trial in two tribunals in Nuremberg, Germany by the victorious Allied powers. The first tribunal indicted 24 major Nazi war criminals, and resulted in 19 convictions (of which 12 led to death sentences) and 3 acquittals, 2 of the accused died before a verdict was rendered. The second tribunal indicted 185 members of the military, economic, and political leadership of Nazi Germany, of which 142 were convicted and 35 were acquitted. In subsequent decades, approximately 20 additional war criminals who escaped capture in the immediate aftermath of World War II were tried in West Germany and Israel. In Germany and many other European nations, the Nazi Party is outlawed.

oh but thats just me. Silly me I forgot that torturing is the same as wholesale slaughter.

[North Suran]

So you're saying we should be just like Europe even though in our much shorter history then theirs we have surpassed them in every way?

Once again I ask for your source. If you do not comply, I will be forced to disregard your opinion.

We beat Britain twice(the reason we exist)

Actually, the reason you exist is the French, since the British Empire may have been able to win the War of Independence if it was not for French intervention.

and we saved them from Germany twice.

American help in World War One was negligible and belated; and in World War Two, the USSR had much more of a hand in victory than the USA.

They had to make the EU to compete.

Or, say, recover from a world war?