Virginia Sticks It To Women - Literally

[Euronion]

one could, but a doctor saying there is risk and a doctor saying your life is at risk are two very different things.

a doctor saying 'there is a risk' will automatically mean that your life it at risk... I mean, a doctor going 'there is a risk... that atlanta will lose this years football competition' to a patient is just being sadistic.

there is a risk that you cannot have more children
there is a risk that there may be bleeding
there is a risk that when you go out into the sun you may get skin cancer

[Carcharhinidae primari]

So you support murder( you claimed that a fetus is alive and abortion is murder) as here you are making the decision that one life is more important then the other. Thus, allowing the mother to murder her innocent child instead hoping for a miracle.

No, it is equivalent to involuntary manslaughter, if you are driving and someone jumps in front of the road, are you going to try and stop or get out of the way? of course, but are you going to turn your car to the edge of the cliff and fall into the ocean? no you wouldn't

that is because humans are bastards. besides, the anology doesn't fit. in a split-second descision mosthumans will automatically choose to save themselves, because that is an instinctive reaction. abortions are not done in split-second decisions, so the instinctual response wil be completelz different.

[Revolutopia]

That is not what I said, I accused of killing a baby as you fell it is safer for the mother. Shouldn't you demand the mother carry it to term and take the risks as to preserve the life of the child. Or does life lose its value when it is not convenient for you?

What about when it cannot survive on its own should the mother perish mid-term? If the mother could have survived if she had a life-saving surgery, do you really want that on your concience?

First, yips my original quote had some goofy typos. Back on topic, I don't really believe that as I don't hate women thus I am pro-choice.

[Gauthier]

Given that just about every pre-lifer couldn't give a shit about kids that are actually born and struggling in poverty or waiting to be adopted, their whole argument about protecting the unborn rings rather hollow. When you take care of the kids that are here, then bitch about the ones that might.

[Euronion]

In Mexico, India, China, Africa, and other Asian countries, not in the United States. Again as a baby who is going to get aborted, why should be suffer by killing our own children because the rest of the world is a screwed up place?

Because it's the world population that has too much people and therefore all of the countries in the world should work toward keeping the population down?

It should be the individual nations who caused the problem to fix it, I am sick and tired of people saying because there is an Indian Lady who has 8 kids in India, or because China has hundreds of millions of really old people due to Mao Zedong, or because girls in Africa don't use Birth Control and often engage in unsafe sex, that Americans should start killing our babies, I'm tired, as most Americans are, of taking the fault for all the problems in the world.

[Yomali]

No, it is equivalent to involuntary manslaughter, if you are driving and someone jumps in front of the road, are you going to try and stop or get out of the way? of course, but are you going to turn your car to the edge of the cliff and fall into the ocean? no you wouldn't

If one truly valued protecting innocent life, then they should be willing to take the risks of preserving their life even it might be risky to themselves.

Not when the "risk" is more like "suicide." Isnt suicide a deadly sin or something?

[Revolutopia]

Given that just about every pre-lifer couldn't give a shit about kids that are actually born and struggling in poverty or waiting to be adopted, their whole argument about protecting the unborn rings rather hollow. When you take care of the kids that are here, then bitch about the ones that might.

But, how can they fell self-righteous if they don't continually whine about "think of the children?"

[Euronion]

Given that just about every pre-lifer couldn't give a shit about kids that are actually born and struggling in poverty or waiting to be adopted, their whole argument about protecting the unborn rings rather hollow. When you take care of the kids that are here, then bitch about the ones that might.

pre-lifer? there is no such thing.

Regarding your comment, there are many charities and funds for children struggling in poverty.

[Nature-Spirits]

Because it's the world population that has too much people and therefore all of the countries in the world should work toward keeping the population down?

It should be the individual nations who caused the problem to fix it, I am sick and tired of people saying because there is an Indian Lady who has 8 kids in India, or because China has hundreds of millions of really old people due to Mao Zedong, or because girls in Africa don't use Birth Control and often engage in unsafe sex, that Americans should start killing our babies, I'm tired, as most Americans are, of taking the fault for all the problems in the world.

So you're saying that India, Africa, and China should be blown up?
And for the record, I am not American.

[Revolutopia]

If one truly valued protecting innocent life, then they should be willing to take the risks of preserving their life even it might be risky to themselves.

Not when the "risk" is more like "suicide." Isnt suicide a deadly sin or something?

So your life is more important then other people's?

[Nature-Spirits]

Not when the "risk" is more like "suicide." Isnt suicide a deadly sin or something?

So your life is more important then other people's?

So other people's lives are more important than yours?

[Yomali]

So your life is more important then other people's?

So other people's lives are more important than yours?

This.

[Revolutopia]

Given that just about every pre-lifer couldn't give a shit about kids that are actually born and struggling in poverty or waiting to be adopted, their whole argument about protecting the unborn rings rather hollow. When you take care of the kids that are here, then bitch about the ones that might.

pre-lifer? there is no such thing.

Regarding your comment, there are many charities and funds for children struggling in poverty.

Why should your dogmatic caring for fetus be law, while caring for alive children be voluntary?

Shouldn't you be demanding the government take 50% or more out of everyone's salary to fund these poor defenseless children

[Revolutopia]

So your life is more important then other people's?

So other people's lives are more important than yours?

Saying that is what the pro-life crowd says about how the Fetus's supposed life should outrank that of a woman's life and dignity, yes.

[Iuuvic]

Given that just about every pre-lifer couldn't give a shit about kids that are actually born and struggling in poverty or waiting to be adopted, their whole argument about protecting the unborn rings rather hollow. When you take care of the kids that are here, then bitch about the ones that might.

pre-lifer? there is no such thing.

Regarding your comment, there are many charities and funds for children struggling in poverty.

The hundreds of millions of dollars that religious groups are dumping into this issue could be used to help the massive number of children who are here, now and actually need help. They choose to use that money to force their social morality on people rather than actually helping those in need. That’s gods work for sure, watch children starve and be sold into slavery while spending millions on implementing god’s laws into society.
Sure they give, but instead of giving more they spend money that could be used to save children on propagating a political agenda.

[Tekania]

pre-lifer? there is no such thing.

Regarding your comment, there are many charities and funds for children struggling in poverty.

Why should your dogmatic caring for fetus be law, while caring for alive children be voluntary?

Shouldn't you be demanding the government take 50% or more out of everyone's salary to fund these poor defenseless children

No need for him to do that when he can simply mandate that people birth children against their will, and then point to already overburdened charities when they ask for handouts.

[Ifreann]

What about this makes sense?

the fact that it will save the lives of future unborn Americans.

Any legal abortions it prevents are at the expense of the rights and lives of born women.

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Are you comparing abortion to politicide/genocide?

yes I am, abortion is infanticide sanctioned by the government.

It's really not, but that's not important.

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The woman doesn't have the right to kill another human, that is not choice, its murder.

They do in many situations, it is, and it's not. Respectively.

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who are you, or ANYONE for that matter, to claim to know what is 'God's will'? now, I'm agnost, but I think that if there is a god we, as mortals and stupid and all not, cannot even begin to grasp 'His' mind, thoughts or intent.

why would he give us the technology to save people if he didn't want us to use it?

I think you'll find that God has yet to invent any technology at all.

[Euronion]

It should be the individual nations who caused the problem to fix it, I am sick and tired of people saying because there is an Indian Lady who has 8 kids in India, or because China has hundreds of millions of really old people due to Mao Zedong, or because girls in Africa don't use Birth Control and often engage in unsafe sex, that Americans should start killing our babies, I'm tired, as most Americans are, of taking the fault for all the problems in the world.

So you're saying that India, Africa, and China should be blown up?
And for the record, I am not American.

where did I say we should blow up India, Africa, and China? I don't want us to pay for their mistakes, as a child who is going to get aborted shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of the mother.

[Hittanryan]

So you're saying that India, Africa, and China should be blown up?
And for the record, I am not American.

where did I say we should blow up India, Africa, and China? I don't want us to pay for their mistakes, as a child who is going to get aborted shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of the mother.

Yep, it's the mother's fault if a condom breaks. Or if her partner refuses to use contraception. Or if she's raped.

[Nature-Spirits]

So you're saying that India, Africa, and China should be blown up?
And for the record, I am not American.

where did I say we should blow up India, Africa, and China? I don't want us to pay for their mistakes, as a child who is going to get aborted shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of the mother.

You said that they should pay for their own mistakes.
Also, if Americans aren't allowed to have abortions then their population will be overflowing soon too.

[Revolutopia]

where did I say we should blow up India, Africa, and China? I don't want us to pay for their mistakes, as a child who is going to get aborted shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of the mother.

Yep, it's the mother's fault if a condom breaks. Or if her partner refuses to use contraception. Or if she's raped.

Did you see how the slut was dressed? Totally asking for it.

[Euronion]

the fact that it will save the lives of future unborn Americans.

Any legal abortions it prevents are at the expense of the rights and lives of born women.

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yes I am, abortion is infanticide sanctioned by the government.

It's really not, but that's not important.

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The woman doesn't have the right to kill another human, that is not choice, its murder.

They do in many situations, it is, and it's not. Respectively.

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why would he give us the technology to save people if he didn't want us to use it?

I think you'll find that God has yet to invent any technology at all.

1. If you read the thread I explained
2. Again I already explained
3. I have the ability to kill people as well, that does not mean I have a right to do so, rapists have the ability to rape people, that does not give them the right to do so
4. No, but he has guided us to this technology

[Norstal]

3. I have the ability to kill people as well, that does not mean I have a right to do so, rapists have the ability to rape people, that does not give them the right to do so

See, that's doing thing to other people's bodies.

Abortion is doing things to your own bodies.

Don't equate the two.

[Euronion]

where did I say we should blow up India, Africa, and China? I don't want us to pay for their mistakes, as a child who is going to get aborted shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of the mother.

You said that they should pay for their own mistakes.
Also, if Americans aren't allowed to have abortions then their population will be overflowing soon too.

as the statistics showed, about 1.6 % of women get abortions, I would hardly call it overflowing, most of our population growth is only due to immigration, the statistics show that families that are here for 2 generations or generally have 2 children or less. You also have many Americans that are single and don't want children. We also have a large amount of people able to access sex education and contraceptives.

[Revolutopia]

So Euronion, I was wondering are you additionally supportive of Universal Government provided healthcare as the Catholic Church also preaches that is an universal right and it would work to provide needed medical coverage for babies?