Virginia Sticks It To Women - Literally

[Gauthier]

Are you comparing abortion to politicide/genocide?

yes I am, abortion is infanticide sanctioned by the government.

As opposed to letting it come into the world where your ideal government couldn't give a shit what happens to it and dies anyways or kills a bunch more just because. Yeah, the movement ought to call itself Pre-Life, since anyone actually born isn't their fucking concern.

[Carcharhinidae primari]

The majority of women don't like probes shoved into their vaginas. And no, a vast majority is still pro-choice in some way.

exactly, that includes if the Mother's life is in danger, which makes me Pro-Choice, would you agree with that assessment?

no. being pro choice in some way means you are not pro life. besides, 'in some way' is not the same as 'my life is in danger'.

[Nature-Spirits]

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WTF???
First off: Fetal Personhood? Wtf? Since when were fetuses people? I mean, let's look at what most would agree defines a person: citizenship of a country; self-awareness/sentience; agency (the capacity to act and to make changes in the world). Well, sorry to break this to all of you, but fetuses aren't citizens until they're born; humans don't pass the sentience test until they're 18 months old, so fetuses certainly aren't sentient; and fetuses can't make decisions and enact them upon the world. So by this definition (taken from a purely scientific and philosophical viewpoint) fetuses aren't people.
Secondly: Transvaginal Ultrasound?! WTF?! This is certainly a form of rape and the Republicans may as well just say, "Women don't have rights!" This is unacceptable. I don't know everything about American politics, but I'm pretty sure that equality is one of the main tenets, and this so-called 'Transvaginal Ultrasound' (which may as well be called 'Rape with a Speculum') clearly states that the Republicans believe that males are dominant.
Furthermore, how come all these male politicians get to decide what women can and can't do with their bodies? I mean, they certainly don't know how painful childbirth is and how stressful motherhood can be.
In closing, it is clear that the Republicans are unintelligent, biased, and just all-around stupid.

[Revolutopia]

The majority of women don't like probes shoved into their vaginas. And no, a vast majority is still pro-choice in some way.

exactly, that includes if the Mother's life is in danger, which makes me Pro-Choice, would you agree with that assessment?

Murder! Why are judging which life is more important. Shouldn't you follow God's will and allow him to either kill the mother or baby.

[Salandriagado]

Please point out where in that list it says that it is standard procedure in an abortion?

I provided the link awhile back, read the references sections and contact the doctors and specialists that authored the article if you want. Trying to prove that this is a standard procedure is far from my agenda and I really have no need nor do I care to submit proof.

No, you provided a source saying that this is a standard procedure for a list of situations, which noticeably lacked the word "abortion" or any synonym thereof. Considering that this is the claim that you're basing your entire mess of an argument on, you do need to support it.

exactly, that includes if the Mother's life is in danger, which makes me Pro-Choice, would you agree with that assessment?

Murder! Why are judging which life is more important. Shouldn't you follow God's will and allow him to either kill the mother or baby.

Your preferred fairytale has fuck all to do with it. More to the point, the personhood or lack thereof of the foetus has fuck all to do with it. The mother's bodily sovereignty is absolute: she has the right to expel any person from her property (including her body) at any time, for any reason. An abortion is simply evicting the foetus from her body, which would be perfectly legal if it was an adult human that was somehow contained within her body and relied on being there to survive.

[New Conglomerate]

Are you comparing abortion to politicide/genocide?

yes I am, abortion is infanticide sanctioned by the government.

And therefore, you're completely outside of mainstream reality and I shouldn't even bother continuing this debate.

[Euronion]

the fact that it will save the lives of future unborn Americans.

Yeah, that way they can be used as cannon fodder when we invade China 20 years from now, amirite?

uh, no, not really

[Carcharhinidae primari]

What really kills me is that all these MEN(cause you know it is) who make these laws dont even know how birth controls work. Now, some may work differently, but generally they prevent the egg from implanting in the first place, therefor the woman was never pregnant therefor they dont 'cause abortions' but actually prevent women from needing them later.

this isn't about Birth Control, it is about aborting the fetus. Birth Control is irrelevant to this thread other than the woman should have used it before getting impregnated.

... ever had sexual education in high school? birth controll does not always work. sometimes it fails.

[Nature-Spirits]

exactly, that includes if the Mother's life is in danger, which makes me Pro-Choice, would you agree with that assessment?

Murder! Why are judging which life is more important. Shouldn't you follow God's will and allow him to either kill the mother or baby.

How do you know what "God's will" is? I thought that "God works in mysterious ways."

[Euronion]

exactly, that includes if the Mother's life is in danger, which makes me Pro-Choice, would you agree with that assessment?

Murder! Why are judging which life is more important. Shouldn't you follow God's will and allow him to either kill the mother or baby.

if we have the technology to save lives we should use it. That is God's will.

[Revolutopia]

Yeah, that way they can be used as cannon fodder when we invade China 20 years from now, amirite?

uh, no, not really

Yeah, China would be old news by then instead we will probably be invading Mars.

[Mavorpen]

this isn't about Birth Control, it is about aborting the fetus. Birth Control is irrelevant to this thread other than the woman should have used it before getting impregnated.

I LOVE how you assume two things: 1) that birth control is 100% effective, and that 2) EVERYONE has access to birth control.

[Carcharhinidae primari]

uh, no, not really

Yeah, China would be old news by then instead we will probably be invading Mars.

yeah, cos everyone knows that's where the soviets went in 1991

[New Conglomerate]

this isn't about Birth Control, it is about aborting the fetus. Birth Control is irrelevant to this thread other than the woman should have used it before getting impregnated.

I LOVE how you assume two things: 1) that birth control is 100% effective, and that 2) EVERYONE has access to birth control.

Actually, access to birth control is improving. Which is why the pro-life crowd is trying to ban it so that they can follow through with their real purpose of making sure women are barefoot and pregnant.

[Norstal]

The majority of women don't like probes shoved into their vaginas. And no, a vast majority is still pro-choice in some way.

exactly, that includes if the Mother's life is in danger, which makes me Pro-Choice, would you agree with that assessment?

No.

You're not giving women options are you now.

[Revolutopia]

Murder! Why are judging which life is more important. Shouldn't you follow God's will and allow him to either kill the mother or baby.

if we have the technology to save lives we should use it. That is God's will.

That is not what I said, I accused you of killing a baby as you felt it is safer for the mother. Shouldn't you demand the mother carry it to term and take the risks as to preserve the life of the child. Or does life lose its value when it is not convenient for you?

[Carcharhinidae primari]

Murder! Why are judging which life is more important. Shouldn't you follow God's will and allow him to either kill the mother or baby.

if we have the technology to save lives we should use it. That is God's will.

who are you, or ANYONE for that matter, to claim to know what is 'God's will'? now, I'm agnost, but I think that if there is a god we, as mortals and stupid and all not, cannot even begin to grasp 'His' mind, thoughts or intent.

[Euronion]

this isn't about Birth Control, it is about aborting the fetus. Birth Control is irrelevant to this thread other than the woman should have used it before getting impregnated.

... ever had sexual education in high school? birth controll does not always work. sometimes it fails.

yes and they are 95-99.9% effective. That is higher than condoms by far. It is still irrelevant that Yamoli thinks that people don't understand birth control.

[Revolutopia]

Yeah, China would be old news by then instead we will probably be invading Mars.

yeah, cos everyone knows that's where the soviets went in 1991

It is the Red Planet.

[Euronion]

if we have the technology to save lives we should use it. That is God's will.

who are you, or ANYONE for that matter, to claim to know what is 'God's will'? now, I'm agnost, but I think that if there is a god we, as mortals and stupid and all not, cannot even begin to grasp 'His' mind, thoughts or intent.

why would he give us the technology to save people if he didn't want us to use it?

[Revolutopia]

who are you, or ANYONE for that matter, to claim to know what is 'God's will'? now, I'm agnost, but I think that if there is a god we, as mortals and stupid and all not, cannot even begin to grasp 'His' mind, thoughts or intent.

why would he give us the technology to save people if he didn't want us to use it?

Why would he give technology to perform abortions if he didn't want us to use it?

[Norstal]

who are you, or ANYONE for that matter, to claim to know what is 'God's will'? now, I'm agnost, but I think that if there is a god we, as mortals and stupid and all not, cannot even begin to grasp 'His' mind, thoughts or intent.

why would he give us the technology to save people if he didn't want us to use it?

if I give you a gun, does that mean you're supposed to use it?

How bout an armored tank?

[Hittanryan]

who are you, or ANYONE for that matter, to claim to know what is 'God's will'? now, I'm agnost, but I think that if there is a god we, as mortals and stupid and all not, cannot even begin to grasp 'His' mind, thoughts or intent.

why would he give us the technology to save people if he didn't want us to use it?

That's assuming he gave us anything at all in the first place.

[Nature-Spirits]

who are you, or ANYONE for that matter, to claim to know what is 'God's will'? now, I'm agnost, but I think that if there is a god we, as mortals and stupid and all not, cannot even begin to grasp 'His' mind, thoughts or intent.

why would he give us the technology to save people if he didn't want us to use it?

Maybe "he" wants us to make decisions for ourselves?

[Mavorpen]

Actually, access to birth control is improving. Which is why the pro-life crowd is trying to ban it so that they can follow through with their real purpose of making sure women are barefoot and pregnant.

Yes, it's improving, but still not everyone has access. The person who I quoted seems to argue that it's 100%, so that getting unplanned pregnancies is always your own fault, and that you chose to get pregnant by CHOOSING to not use birth control.