Virginia Sticks It To Women - Literally

[Hittanryan]

What about this makes sense?

the fact that it will save the lives of future unborn Americans.

Yeah, that way they can be used as cannon fodder when we invade China 20 years from now, amirite?

[Revolutopia]

What about this makes sense?

the fact that it will save the lives of future unborn Americans.

Future people's rights to don't out weigh present women's rights.

Additionally, why do all the people who supposedly care about Future American's rights the same people arguing that we should actively destroy the world?

[Carcharhinidae primari]

And make sure that the Virginia GOP gets no female votes next election.

Thanks for giving us another blue state.

actually the majority of women are Pro-life, so it may in fact give the GOP more women votes.

prove it. give us figures which show that the majority of woman ARE pro life. then, I'll double check the sources,.

[Teutonic Territories]

Everyone, please. Libertarians are those who believe the government should do the bare minimum and keep out of our lives otherwise. The bare minimum means things that individuals cannot do alone, like protecting life. It is perfectly fine to be libertarian and pro-life. That just means that they believe that a fetus is alive.

[Itanica]

abortian is wrong, i mean america is a free country right? so shouldnt all americans be able to live without being murdered by some immoral lady who thinks maybe *im not ready*?

If America is a free country as you are defending your logic with, then an actual person should be able to decide if they want to get rid of a foetus with no way of telling whats around it, and in fact what it is itself.

Also, foetuses aren't American citizens.

Your logic is horribly wrong.

[Iuuvic]

Are you comparing abortion to politicide/genocide?

yes I am, abortion is infanticide sanctioned by the government.

A fetus is not an infant.

[Hittanryan]

Everyone, please. Libertarians are those who believe the government should do the bare minimum and keep out of our lives otherwise. The bare minimum means things that individuals cannot do alone, like protecting life. It is perfectly fine to be libertarian and pro-life. That just means that they believe that a fetus is alive.

Actual libertarians, an-caps, and the like believe in property rights above all else. What kind of libertarian would deny someone the most fundamental property, that of their own body?

[Euronion]

the fact that it will save the lives of future unborn Americans.

Future people's rights to don't out weigh present women's rights.

Additionally, why do all the people who supposedly care about Future American's rights the same people arguing that we should actively destroy the world?

that's the same kind of thinking that gets people and governments into the genocidal attitude. The woman doesn't have the right to kill another human, that is not choice, its murder.

[Ravineworld]

Paleo-conservatives aren't for drug legalization, gay marriage, open borders, and other such socially liberal stances. The only thing I agree with Paleo-conservatives is their stance on states rights, and war.

States rights and war. Riiiiight. So that makes you a "libertarian" who thinks states should have authoritarian moralistic social controls akin to Iran's, while the US should use its military to impose its will abroad.

No, you're not a libertarian by any sense of the word. You're a conservative.

When did I ever say that. Telling a woman she can't have an abortion because the locals don't want to accept such actions is not like iran in any way shape or form. And I am very socially liberal and am a staunch non-interventionist. That is why I agree with paleo-conservatives on war, because paleo-conservatives are non-interventionists. I just don't believe that the federal government should enforce libertarianism on local governments and therefore people if they don't want to accept it.

[Carcharhinidae primari]

yes I am, abortion is infanticide sanctioned by the government.

A fetus is not an infant.

and from the point of view of those who made the bill which started this, neither is it sanctioned.

[Euronion]

yes I am, abortion is infanticide sanctioned by the government.

A fetus is not an infant.

you are correct, so baby killing sanctioned by the government, are we in Sparta now?

[Hittanryan]

Future people's rights to don't out weigh present women's rights.

Additionally, why do all the people who supposedly care about Future American's rights the same people arguing that we should actively destroy the world?

that's the same kind of thinking that gets people and governments into the genocidal attitude. The woman doesn't have the right to kill another human, that is not choice, its murder.

Right, but a fetus is not a person, so what's your point?

[Teutonic Territories]

Everyone, please. Libertarians are those who believe the government should do the bare minimum and keep out of our lives otherwise. The bare minimum means things that individuals cannot do alone, like protecting life. It is perfectly fine to be libertarian and pro-life. That just means that they believe that a fetus is alive.

Actual libertarians, an-caps, and the like believe in property rights above all else. What kind of libertarian would deny someone the most fundamental property, that of their own body?

Property rights? No. Libertarians believe in life above all else. Besides, if they believe that fetus' are people, then abortion violates their right to their body.

[New Conglomerate]

And make sure that the Virginia GOP gets no female votes next election.

Thanks for giving us another blue state.

actually the majority of women are Pro-life, so it may in fact give the GOP more women votes.

The majority of women don't like probes shoved into their vaginas. And no, a vast majority is still pro-choice in some way.

[Euronion]

abortian is wrong, i mean america is a free country right? so shouldnt all americans be able to live without being murdered by some immoral lady who thinks maybe *im not ready*?

If America is a free country as you are defending your logic with, then an actual person should be able to decide if they want to get rid of a foetus with no way of telling whats around it, and in fact what it is itself.

Also, foetuses aren't American citizens.

Your logic is horribly wrong.

so it's okay to kill babies as long as they aren't Americans, hell why don't we load up Guantanamo with terrorist babies, we can start water boarding them too, because as you suggest, they don't have any rights.

[New Conglomerate]

Actual libertarians, an-caps, and the like believe in property rights above all else. What kind of libertarian would deny someone the most fundamental property, that of their own body?

Property rights? No. Libertarians believe in life above all else. Besides, if they believe that fetus' are people, then abortion violates their right to their body.

And therefore, they wish to impose their morality on another group and cease to be libertarian.

[Teutonic Territories]

that's the same kind of thinking that gets people and governments into the genocidal attitude. The woman doesn't have the right to kill another human, that is not choice, its murder.

Right, but a fetus is not a person, so what's your point?

When does a fetus become a person? Not legally, when do you think?

[Revolutopia]

Future people's rights to don't out weigh present women's rights.

Additionally, why do all the people who supposedly care about Future American's rights the same people arguing that we should actively destroy the world?

that's the same kind of thinking that gets people and governments into the genocidal attitude. The woman doesn't have the right to kill another human, that is not choice, its murder.

Demanding people follow a select imposed religious moral code is the same kind of thinking that gets people and governments into the oppression attitude. Aka every single religious struggle in history.

Don't like Abortions don't have on, but leave others alone to make their own decision.

[Hittanryan]

A fetus is not an infant.

you are correct, so baby killing sanctioned by the government, are we in Sparta now?

[Euronion]

actually the majority of women are Pro-life, so it may in fact give the GOP more women votes.

The majority of women don't like probes shoved into their vaginas. And no, a vast majority is still pro-choice in some way.

exactly, that includes if the Mother's life is in danger, which makes me Pro-Choice, would you agree with that assessment?

[Yomali]

What really kills me is that all these MEN(cause you know it is) who make these laws dont even know how birth controls work. Now, some may work differently, but generally they prevent the egg from implanting in the first place, therefor the woman was never pregnant therefor they dont 'cause abortions' but actually prevent women from needing them later.

[Hittanryan]

Right, but a fetus is not a person, so what's your point?

When does a fetus become a person? Not legally, when do you think?

Birth.

[Iuuvic]

A fetus is not an infant.

you are correct, so baby killing sanctioned by the government, are we in Sparta now?

Baby, as well, is not synonymous with fetus...My little nephew was just born and did I say “What a cute little fetus he is!” No, I did not, know why? Because a baby is not a fetus and a fetus is not a baby.

[New Conglomerate]

The majority of women don't like probes shoved into their vaginas. And no, a vast majority is still pro-choice in some way.

exactly, that includes if the Mother's life is in danger, which makes me Pro-Choice, would you agree with that assessment?

So, if their life is in danger, you believe they should have to be extensively probed before the life-saving abortion?

[Euronion]

What really kills me is that all these MEN(cause you know it is) who make these laws dont even know how birth controls work. Now, some may work differently, but generally they prevent the egg from implanting in the first place, therefor the woman was never pregnant therefor they dont 'cause abortions' but actually prevent women from needing them later.

this isn't about Birth Control, it is about aborting the fetus. Birth Control is irrelevant to this thread other than the woman should have used it before getting impregnated.