Why do Neo-Nazis exist?

[Coccygia]

Now this makes me wonder why when people hear 'Neo Nazi,' they instantly associate every Neo Nazi with hatred and murder. Yes, I understand Nazis were bad, and yes, I understand Neo Nazis have made a bad name for themselves.
"Neo-Nazi" is a pretty bad name to begin with, I'd say.

The ideology behind Neo Nazism doesn't have to be racial or religious, not every time.

If it isn't Racial/Religious how is it Neo-Nazism?

While the majority of Neo Nazis are pretty violent and hateful, there ARE Neo Nazis who aren't a danger to anyone, and never will be.

Well, maybe not as long as they remember to take their meds...

Is that a surprise? I'm assuming you've never heard of a peaceful protest.

1) By Neo-Nazis?
2) What does that have to do with the price of beans??
3)

The Nazis were never inherently bad.

Yeah, they were, actually.

Germany was a damn fine country, up until Hitler decided to prosecute the Jews and invade his neighbors.

Persecuting the Jews and other groups was part of Nazism from the beginning. Hitler was a racist from the get-go - he dodged the draft in WW I because he would not serve the "polyglot" Austro-Hungarian Empire (he joined the German army instead). Invasion was something that they began planning for as soon as they took power - and it was pretty much inevitable, given that Hitler was financing the German recovery through massive military spending. As for Germany being a damn fine country, their behavior in WW I was almost as bad as it was in WW II - look at the way they devastated Belgium.

Problem?

Plenty.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

They exist because stupidity exists.

[Yohannes]

Due to the fact that silly people will always be out there. There is nothing that we can do about it, and of course the best thing that we can do is just to get on with our life, and avoid it like a plague if we do not agree with it. It is quite the same as all the problems in this world, and things which we think of as unfair. We are only in control of other people's actions up to an extent (and a very limited one at that). What we can do however, is to live the way we want to live, and believe in our own principle.

[Gravonia]

They exist because they haven't been killed yet

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

They exist because they haven't been killed yet

Lets be friends.

[Worzel]

Why does any political movement exist?

[Gravonia]

They exist because they haven't been killed yet

Lets be friends.

What, like friends?

Alright then

[The Germania Alliance]

"Neo-Nazi" is a pretty bad name to begin with, I'd say.

If it isn't Racial/Religious how is it Neo-Nazism?

Well, maybe not as long as they remember to take their meds...

1) By Neo-Nazis?
2) What does that have to do with the price of beans??
3)

Yeah, they were, actually.

Persecuting the Jews and other groups was part of Nazism from the beginning. Hitler was a racist from the get-go - he dodged the draft in WW I because he would not serve the "polyglot" Austro-Hungarian Empire (he joined the German army instead). Invasion was something that they began planning for as soon as they took power - and it was pretty much inevitable, given that Hitler was financing the German recovery through massive military spending. As for Germany being a damn fine country, their behavior in WW I was almost as bad as it was in WW II - look at the way they devastated Belgium.

Plenty.

1. Nobody ever said it wasn't.

2. Because it can be socially, economically, based on the government, etc...

3. That's ignorant on so many levels and an insult to good people who are on meds. Even then, just because someone believes in something that you may not view as right doesn't mean that they're all crazy and should be taking medicine. Get out.

4. There have been thousands of peaceful protests by Neo Nazis. And beans? What the fuck are you talking about?

5. You're right. Just because I'm proud and am involved in my government means I want to invade countries and kill Arabs.

6. I must have forgotten that the leaders of a party define a party and all of the people in it. Also, their behavior, the country as a whole, was never that bad. You must be forgetting that Germany wasn't entirely (only marginally) at fault for WWI and that they never wanted war with Russia or England or France or anyone else, I mean, God forbid you protect your little brother that's about to get gang banged because he started a stupid fight. They were even justified in their attacks on American ships! Ships that were secretly transporting arms to Germany's enemies (the civilian passengers didn't even know they were sitting on hundreds of tons of ammunitions and weapons)! Let alone that Germany was invaded by Russia first and had her people raped and murdered. America almost literally only backed the Entente because you know, democracy, YEAH! WWII is another matter, but even then, America is bad because we invaded Iraq, right?

EDIT: Don't bother responding. I should have to remind you, and I mean, I REALLY shouldn't have to remind you that a mod has already told us to stop. Call me a hypocrite, I don't care, my mistake. I forgot. Let's not have the mods warn or ban us.

[Sovereign Rulers]

This is my attept to repost this nonsense as a proper thread, as I fell it will make for an interesting discussion.

The question is, of course, why do neo-nazi groups exist? Why are there people who seem to see the Third Riech as something to be emmulated or glorified?
As we all know, the Nazi regime was an authoritarian Facsist dictatorship involving racial nationalism, a personality cult, genocide on a massive and industrialized scale, and the standard dictatorial violence.

Personally, I think that people today are attracted to Nazism for the same reasons they were then: They feel somehow let down or betrayed by society and channel that into nationalist or racist fervor.

What sayeth thee, NationStates General?

Because some people take pride in their ethnicity, culture and history. That's okay as long as they don't think that an authoritarian government should enforce the same pride into other, different minded people. They will they never be taken seriously as long as they promote violent methods and suggest violent solutions, deny the past with far fetched conspiracy theories, see patterns everywhere and hold a conviction that they carry the objective truth which everyone else is too blind and brainwashed to see. My main beef with national socialists is not their ideals of racial supremacy and isolation, their condenscending attitude or denial of history and science, but the fact that they're fascists who want to decide over other peoples' lives.

[Centropyge]

I guess the thing is, I can understand the lure of fascism--heck, I've probably got a few fascist leanings at times myself. I can understand feeling like you, your country, those with whom you share your particular cultural, political, or religious beliefs are the underdog and that you need strong leadership...very strong...to "set things right" and turn the nation around. Of course, I also understand the dangers of such things...

Germany got screwed by the victorious Allies after WWI. Blaming Germany for a war that everyone wanted was, in my opinion and in many historians' opinions, unfair. I understand how a charismatic, strong leader promising economic recovery and restoring national pride could be insanely popular--heck, didn't FDR do essentially the same thing in America at the same time more or less? I can even understand and sympathize with the idea of a "Greater Germany." Remember, Germany hadn't even existed as a country for a century by the time Hitler took power, and many Germans did live outside Germany's 1930s borders...especially since they lost some territory after WWI. (Not to mention WWII...how is it that Russia controls a nice chunk of what used to be Prussia, the birthplace of German nationalism?) IIRC, Hitler didn't even originally want a war with England and wasn't originally planning one in Scandinavia or the Balkans either.

Having said all that, what I do NOT understand is what happened later on. Murdering...exterminating...millions of people just because they got in the way of an idealized Germany? Hitler didn't just kill Jews...he killed Poles, gypsies, Russians, and probably others I can't recall at the moment. Had he succeeded in conquering Moscow who knows how many Russians would have joined the Jews in the work and extermination camps? (Sadly, probably not more than Stalin himself managed to kill...) What I also do NOT understand is how, after seeing where Hitler led the Nazi party, any person of sound mind could consider themselves "neo-Nazi" rather than just fascist or some other brand of fascist...but not Nazi/National Socialist. Maybe there's something I missing here, but...Hitler's atrocities and the atrocities of many others in his party were just so horribly atrocious that one wonders if the Devil himself could have been much worse a leader.

A question though. Do Neo-Nazis come to grips with the question of whether their idea government would revive a policy of genocide to maintain racial purity? Or would deportation and/or immigration control be enough? Or do some of them not care so much about race?

[Sovereign Rulers]

I guess the thing is, I can understand the lure of fascism--heck, I've probably got a few fascist leanings at times myself. I can understand feeling like you, your country, those with whom you share your particular cultural, political, or religious beliefs are the underdog and that you need strong leadership...very strong...to "set things right" and turn the nation around. Of course, I also understand the dangers of such things...

Germany got screwed by the victorious Allies after WWI. Blaming Germany for a war that everyone wanted was, in my opinion and in many historians' opinions, unfair. I understand how a charismatic, strong leader promising economic recovery and restoring national pride could be insanely popular--heck, didn't FDR do essentially the same thing in America at the same time more or less? I can even understand and sympathize with the idea of a "Greater Germany." Remember, Germany hadn't even existed as a country for a century by the time Hitler took power, and many Germans did live outside Germany's 1930s borders...especially since they lost some territory after WWI. (Not to mention WWII...how is it that Russia controls a nice chunk of what used to be Prussia, the birthplace of German nationalism?) IIRC, Hitler didn't even originally want a war with England and wasn't originally planning one in Scandinavia or the Balkans either.

Having said all that, what I do NOT understand is what happened later on. Murdering...exterminating...millions of people just because they got in the way of an idealized Germany? Hitler didn't just kill Jews...he killed Poles, gypsies, Russians, and probably others I can't recall at the moment. Had he succeeded in conquering Moscow who knows how many Russians would have joined the Jews in the work and extermination camps? (Sadly, probably not more than Stalin himself managed to kill...) What I also do NOT understand is how, after seeing where Hitler led the Nazi party, any person of sound mind could consider themselves "neo-Nazi" rather than just fascist or some other brand of fascist...but not Nazi/National Socialist. Maybe there's something I missing here, but...Hitler's atrocities and the atrocities of many others in his party were just so horribly atrocious that one wonders if the Devil himself could have been much worse a leader.

A question though. Do Neo-Nazis come to grips with the question of whether their idea government would revive a policy of genocide to maintain racial purity? Or would deportation and/or immigration control be enough? Or do some of them not care so much about race?

Does repatriation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants sound realistic to you? No, their only possibility is genocide.

[Aethelstania]

This is my attept to repost this nonsense as a proper thread, as I fell it will make for an interesting discussion.

The question is, of course, why do neo-nazi groups exist? Why are there people who seem to see the Third Riech as something to be emmulated or glorified?
As we all know, the Nazi regime was an authoritarian Facsist dictatorship involving racial nationalism, a personality cult, genocide on a massive and industrialized scale, and the standard dictatorial violence.

Personally, I think that people today are attracted to Nazism for the same reasons they were then: They feel somehow let down or betrayed by society and channel that into nationalist or racist fervor.

What sayeth thee, NationStates General?

I concour although I would like to say that for some people Nazi'sm is their ideal way of life.

[Coccygia]

"Neo-Nazi" is a pretty bad name to begin with, I'd say.

If it isn't Racial/Religious how is it Neo-Nazism?

Well, maybe not as long as they remember to take their meds...

1) By Neo-Nazis?
2) What does that have to do with the price of beans??
3)

Yeah, they were, actually.

Persecuting the Jews and other groups was part of Nazism from the beginning. Hitler was a racist from the get-go - he dodged the draft in WW I because he would not serve the "polyglot" Austro-Hungarian Empire (he joined the German army instead). Invasion was something that they began planning for as soon as they took power - and it was pretty much inevitable, given that Hitler was financing the German recovery through massive military spending. As for Germany being a damn fine country, their behavior in WW I was almost as bad as it was in WW II - look at the way they devastated Belgium.

Plenty.

1. Nobody ever said it wasn't.

Not even you?

2. Because it can be socially, economically, based on the government, etc...

Take awqay the racism, militarism, and totalarianism, what have you got left that other form,s of government could not provide?

3. That's ignorant on so many levels and an insult to good people who are on meds. Even then, just because someone believes in something that you may not view as right doesn't mean that they're all crazy and should be taking medicine. Get out.

Well, I wouldn't want to insult people on meds by comparing them with a bunch of fascists. Sorry if I did. But maybe some of these folks could use to take some meds.

4. There have been thousands of peaceful protests by Neo Nazis. And beans? What the fuck are you talking about?

So what? Their aims are NOT peaceful. As for the beans, it's an expression, meaning: "WTF does that have to do with anything? Totally irrelevant."

5. You're right. Just because I'm proud and am involved in my government means I want to invade countries and kill Arabs.

I didn't even mention Arabs. If you're going to strawman, at least keep it semi-relevant.

6. I must have forgotten that the leaders of a party define a party and all of the people in it. Also, their behavior, the country as a whole, was never that bad. You must be forgetting that Germany wasn't entirely (only marginally) at fault for WWI and that they never wanted war with Russia or England or France or anyone else, I mean, God forbid you protect your little brother that's about to get gang banged because he started a stupid fight. They were even justified in their attacks on American ships! Ships that were secretly transporting arms to Germany's enemies (the civilian passengers didn't even know they were sitting on hundreds of tons of ammunitions and weapons)! Let alone that Germany was invaded by Russia first and had her people raped and murdered. America almost literally only backed the Entente because you know, democracy, YEAH! WWII is another matter, but even then, America is bad because we invaded Iraq, right?

So many falsehoods and fallacies, so little time. I will respond later.

EDIT: Don't bother responding. I should have to remind you, and I mean, I REALLY shouldn't have to remind you that a mod has already told us to stop. Call me a hypocrite, I don't care, my mistake. I forgot. Let's not have the mods warn or ban us.

Fine with me. BTW I don't think I ever called you a hypocrite, nor do I think you are one, for what little that's worth. And jeez, calm down, willya? You'll get an aneurysm.

[Condunum]

They exist because stupidity exists.

This, and because the world needs someone to poke at.