Why do Neo-Nazis exist?

[The Germania Alliance]

You're right here. Smart people often follow very stupid ideologies.

Mostly the young, which is sad because most of these kids don't know better. Once they start, they start believing it, and they only pass it on to others too. That's not to say, again, that good people aren't drawn into either.

There are kids who start following that ideology not because they're hateful or violent, but because they feel a need to be a part of something. They feel like outcasts.

Personally, I don't think the issue should be addressed with Neo Nazism itself and those who follow that ideology, not first anyway. A lot of people who get into that life were pushed aside by 'normal' people. Granted, this probably won't happen, but if society wasn't so, how do I put it.. Judgmental? There would be a lot less anger and a large decrease in the desire to join gangs. Maybe that's just me.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

No idea, frankly the existance of a flying saucer chasing a spoon across the sky makes more sense than them. or is it a dish i can never remember it right.

[Homesh]

Cuz there are stupid people.

[Drakenwaald]

Neo-Nazis exist less for the fact that they identify with Hitler's ideas of eugenics and a state-planned war economy, I think, and more for the fact that Revanchism, in a certain form, exists among Humanity such to the point were it will influence large groups of poor, uneducated, people (and indeed, some rich, very educated people) to flock to a banner that promises them gratifcation to the wrongs that they have been inflicted (percieved or not). It is worthy to note that Revanchism is an applicable term, not only in the case of the many Dixie-Americans that subscribe to Nazism as a violent reaction to the defeat of the Confederate States of America, (which is something quite a good many people are still irritated about) but also to the many Slavs who practice it in eastern Europe, particularly in Hungary, where cleansing the Gypsies and Muslims there is less about cleansing the Gypsies and the Muslims, and more about making the Slavic nation of Hungary strong again. The same could also be argued for Russia, wherein a similar case is found.

But believe it or not, it's not always about mass politics and nationalism. As it has been repeated many times before, these groups maintain and sustain themselves off of the poor and unfortunate souls of society, and use their respective circumstances to cultivate a personal form of Revanchism. That is, revenge and justification for a society that has, more or less, let them down, or a parent that has abandoned them, etc.

Supporting evidence from this below article, an interesting piece I found;
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/05/08

"..He recalled being recruited into the white supremacist movement when he was an angry thirteen-year-old from a broken home, abusing alcohol and having dropped out of school. Meeink gravitated towards the Skinheads after they befriended him and took an interest in his life, which was a stark contrast to the way his family treated him. Sadly, he would later use these same tactics to recruit other disillusioned youths into the Neo Nazi culture. "

As it has been said before, desperation is what is going to fuel these movements. But desperation alone drives anything. Revanchism is what the elites of this group tend to more or less subscribe to, and it is due to them that these groups exist in the first place.

[Distruzio]

What about nwo-nazism bring revanchism to mind? They do not seem to be articulating for a renewed Reich. They seem, rather, to be arguing for a new racially pure State. I've never even read any literature articulating a desire for ethnic purity or anything more than coerced racial segregation.

What brings you to this conclusion about neo-nazism and, more curiously, southrons?

[Anarchists communists and other pinkos]

A sense of meaning which liberal individualism cant offer them.

[Syvorskji]

Cause they think so, simple.

[Gravonia]

I think this'll explain everything

Then again, perhaps it won't

[Greater Tezdrian]

I find it slightly pathetic that people cannot conceive of someone being genuinely attracted to National Socialist ideology based on it's own merits.

And what are those merits?

The qualities of National Socialism are generally as follows:

Homogenous, race-based culture,
An emphasis on agrarianism, Blut und Boden,
Ethnic revanchism and isolationism,
Authoritarianism,
State-directed economy,
An emphasis of preserving traditional culture.

[Gravonia]

And what are those merits?

The qualities of National Socialism are generally as follows:

Homogenous, race-based culture,
An emphasis on agrarianism, Blut und Boden,
Ethnic revanchism and isolationism,
Authoritarianism,
State-directed economy,
An emphasis of preserving traditional culture.

I can't find any merit in any of those qualities.
But then I am a Rootless Cosmopolitan

[Sidhae]

There, you said it - sounds like a dream state to many, and I'm inclined to agree. A nation of healthy and happy people with large families and their own land to tend, a nation for it's nationals that doesn't need outsiders to remain functional is, I think, very attractive to any patriot.

The miserable failure of democracy and liberalism to create anything a patriot can be proud of is what makes Neo-Nazism attractive these days.

I remember seeing this video of a Neo-Nazi rally in the States, where they spoke out against illegal immigration and black-on-white racially-motivated crimes that are being toned down by the media. As always, there was this huge mob of counter-protesting liberals, immigrants, antifas and whatnot. What caught my attention was that there were all kinds of flags being waved in this event, except for one - that of United States of America, which only appeared on one side. I'll give you a hint - that side wasn't the protesters.

Unsurprising, I'd say, considering what made up most of the protesters...

[Farnhamia]

There, you said it - sounds like a dream state to many, and I'm inclined to agree. A nation of healthy and happy people with large families and their own land to tend, a nation for it's nationals that doesn't need outsiders to remain functional is, I think, very attractive to any patriot.

The miserable failure of democracy and liberalism to create anything a patriot can be proud of is what makes Neo-Nazism attractive these days.

I remember seeing this video of a Neo-Nazi rally in the States, where they spoke out against illegal immigration and black-on-white racially-motivated crimes that are being toned down by the media. As always, there was this huge mob of counter-protesting liberals, immigrants, antifas and whatnot. What caught my attention was that there were all kinds of flags being waved in this event, except for one - that of United States of America, which only appeared on one side. I'll give you a hint - that side wasn't the protesters.

Unsurprising, I'd say, considering what made up most of the protesters...

I daresay that in that happy dream-state, protests wouldn't be permitted ... or should I have said, wouldn't be necessary? As Sinclair Lewis said, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Homogenized is great for dairy products. Not so much for countries.

[Scholencia]

And what are those merits?

The qualities of National Socialism are generally as follows:

Homogenous, race-based culture,
An emphasis on agrarianism, Blut und Boden,
Ethnic revanchism and isolationism,
Authoritarianism,
State-directed economy,
An emphasis of preserving traditional culture.

Blut und Boden actually dont have to do with the Nazi, it has to do with the beginning of geopolitics which the Nazi adopted. Karl Hauhoffer was the first to establish a Institute of geopolitics in the world in order to make some scientific conclusions about the enviroment of the state.

[Greater Tezdrian]

The qualities of National Socialism are generally as follows:

Homogenous, race-based culture,
An emphasis on agrarianism, Blut und Boden,
Ethnic revanchism and isolationism,
Authoritarianism,
State-directed economy,
An emphasis of preserving traditional culture.

Blut und Boden actually dont have to do with the Nazi, it has to do with the beginning of geopolitics which the Nazi adopted. Karl Hauhoffer was the first to establish a Institute of geopolitics in the world in order to make some scientific conclusions about the enviroment of the state.

What are you talking about?

[Scholencia]

Blut und Boden actually dont have to do with the Nazi, it has to do with the beginning of geopolitics which the Nazi adopted. Karl Hauhoffer was the first to establish a Institute of geopolitics in the world in order to make some scientific conclusions about the enviroment of the state.

What are you talking about?

About Blut und Boden. What do you dont understand?

[Greater Tezdrian]

What are you talking about?

About Blut und Boden. What do you dont understand?

What I don't understand is how you link agrarian Blood and Soil-based racial policies to geopolitics.

[Scholencia]

About Blut und Boden. What do you dont understand?

What I don't understand is how you link agrarian Blood and Soil-based racial policies to geopolitics.

Blut und Boden is connected with Haushoffer, it is his phrase which american propaganda od the 40ies used from context. Geopolitics is also connected with people and the first geopolotocans also separated humnas by other criteriums.

[Greater Tezdrian]

What I don't understand is how you link agrarian Blood and Soil-based racial policies to geopolitics.

Blut und Boden is connected with Haushoffer, it is his phrase which american propaganda od the 40ies used from context. Geopolitics is also connected with people and the first geopolotocans also separated humnas by other criteriums.

Are you a spambot?

[Scholencia]

Blut und Boden is connected with Haushoffer, it is his phrase which american propaganda od the 40ies used from context. Geopolitics is also connected with people and the first geopolotocans also separated humnas by other criteriums.

Are you a spambot?

No, what is a spambot?

[The Darwinian People]

I am a National Socialist. I do, however, detest Neo-Nazis; who use their own ignorant understanding of National Socialist ideology as an excuse for racism and violence. I will say that I believe National Socialism and Nazism as different entirely; Friedrich Naumann being a national socialist and Hermann Goring and Reinhardt Heydrich being Nazis. I think Neo-Nazis are simple violent racists captivated by Nazi symbolism and style; they care very little for actual National Socialist ideology. Most are not socialists, vegetarians, egalitarians or eugenicists they are simply anti-Semites that believe the holocaust is the realisation of Nazi ideology and therefore the only important doctrine to follow.

[Scholencia]

I am a National Socialist. I do, however, detest Neo-Nazis; who use their own ignorant understanding of National Socialist ideology as an excuse for racism and violence. I will say that I believe National Socialism and Nazism as different entirely; Friedrich Naumann being a national socialist and Hermann Goring and Reinhardt Heydrich being Nazis. I think Neo-Nazis are simple violent racists captivated by Nazi symbolism and style; they care very little for actual National Socialist ideology. Most are not socialists, vegetarians, egalitarians or eugenicists they are simply anti-Semites that believe the holocaust is the realisation of Nazi ideology and therefore the only important doctrine to follow.

Are you from the US or some other Allie country?

[Quaedan empire]

Totalitarian ideology, like the muslim faith.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Are you a spambot?

No, what is a spambot?

A machine that auto-registers on forums and spams the forum with nonsense posts. Better yet, is English your first language?

[Scholencia]

No, what is a spambot?

A machine that auto-registers on forums and spams the forum with nonsense posts. Better yet, is English your first language?

No, it is not english as you could notice.

[Yorick]

Homogenized is great for dairy products. Not so much for countries.

No, there's a lot of evidence diversity undermines social cohesion and social trust. Robert Putnam actually did some research on this for Harvard that came to that conclusion. Although I don't really see how this isn't obvious. Look at what Scandinavia or Japan looks like then compare it to say, the US or most of Latin America or other very ethnically diverse areas. Humans have a tendency to be tribal and not trust or care about people out of their "monkey sphere." I'm not saying that can't be overcome or at least mediated somewhat (look at Singapore - very diverse yet rich and orderly). And I certainly don't condone the sort of eugenicism or state-mandated segregation WNs want. But I think it would be a mistake to say dealing with diversity isn't a challenge, let alone "our strength" or something that's intrinsically good.