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Should books ever be censored/banned?

yes
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no
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sometimes
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Postby The-_Sicarii » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:42 pm

Mein Kampf should be banned. Other than that, nothing comes to mind.
And this one time, I was in a store, and a robber came in, and an old man next to me turned out to be Jesus, and he blasted the guy dead with his Jesus laser eyes. No, I can't source that, but guys, I said it, so it must have happened and it can't have been a sugar-induced fantasy.
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Postby Person012345 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:42 pm

Isolated China wrote:
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Again, as reprehensible as I would find such trash, it. should. not. be. censored. The only things that should be actionable are slander and libel.

Such as what type of slander and libel?
And why should books encouraging people to murder, say, their neighbors, be allowed to be sold freely on the market and possibly make a few insane people kill their neighbors?

Why should videogames depicting murder be allowed to be sold freely on the market and possibly make a few insane people kill someone?

Why should speakers inciting against the state be allowed to speak and possibly make a few insane people kill a few politicians?

Why should people on a forum be allowed to discuss abortion and possibly make a few insane people kill their babies?

If someone is of the mindset to kill, a book, a speech, isn't going to "make" anyone kill. It may be a trigger, but as with videogame motivated murders, it is only a trigger and nothing more. If it hdn't been one thing it would have been another, or do we censor everything based on the notion that it might be a trigger to someone we consider "insane" (the definition of which of course varies from person to person of course)?
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Postby Biop » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:43 pm

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Postby Laissez-Faire » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:44 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
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Again, as reprehensible as I would find such trash, it. should. not. be. censored. The only things that should be actionable are slander and libel.

What if my book explicitly tells the reader to commit an illicit act? Would you extend the same protection to other forms of speech?

Who is going to judge what's explicit or not?

You can't blame the forum for the media nor can you blame the media for the resulting actions of the viewer.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:45 pm

Imsogone wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:What if my book explicitly tells the reader to commit an illicit act? Would you extend the same protection to other forms of speech?

Whether or not the reader commits the act is his or her choice. It's like blaming Grand Theft Auto for crimes committed by people who play the game.

Thats a bit different, GTA didn't necessarily advocate crime.

Really, we've gotten so stupidly ignorant in this culture that we can blame books, games, movies and TV shows for our actions and get away with it. Nothing like making a book responsible for our actions, is there. Hell, maybe most of us don't deserve freedom, but I'll be damned if I'm going allow my freedom to restricted because someone else can't handle - at least not without a fight.

Mmm. So what about someone at a rally, and he tells everyone to go kill(not just suggests they should die, actually requests that a crime be committed) *insert person*?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:48 pm

Laissez-Faire wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:What if my book explicitly tells the reader to commit an illicit act? Would you extend the same protection to other forms of speech?

Who is going to judge what's explicit or not?

You can't blame the forum for the media nor can you blame the media for the resulting actions of the viewer.

A judge, presumably. ;)

Why not? We blame someone when they commission a murder, for example.
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Postby The-_Sicarii » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:49 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Imsogone wrote:Whether or not the reader commits the act is his or her choice. It's like blaming Grand Theft Auto for crimes committed by people who play the game.

Thats a bit different, GTA didn't necessarily advocate crime.

Really, we've gotten so stupidly ignorant in this culture that we can blame books, games, movies and TV shows for our actions and get away with it. Nothing like making a book responsible for our actions, is there. Hell, maybe most of us don't deserve freedom, but I'll be damned if I'm going allow my freedom to restricted because someone else can't handle - at least not without a fight.

Mmm. So what about someone at a rally, and he tells everyone to go kill(not just suggests they should die, actually requests that a crime be committed) *insert person*?


That is called Sedition to Murder and is (I believe) a federal offence. It doesn't have much to do with violent video games or books.

I agree, we should punish the people who can't handle freedom instead of those who provide it.
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Postby Euronion » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:51 pm

unless the book is overly saucy, never
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:53 pm

Euronion wrote:unless the book is overly saucy, never

"Overly saucy"? :lol: Seriously?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:58 pm

The-_Sicarii wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Thats a bit different, GTA didn't necessarily advocate crime.


Mmm. So what about someone at a rally, and he tells everyone to go kill(not just suggests they should die, actually requests that a crime be committed) *insert person*?


That is called Sedition to Murder and is (I believe) a federal offence. It doesn't have much to do with violent video games or books.

Right, I wouldn't call for the banning of something just because it is violent...

I agree, we should punish the people who can't handle freedom instead of those who provide it.

Hm.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:58 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Euronion wrote:unless the book is overly saucy, never

"Overly saucy"? :lol: Seriously?

I hate all those footnotes...
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:04 pm

Euronion wrote:unless the book is overly saucy, never


You leave the throbbing, thrusting, and heaving alone!

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Postby Imsogone » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:05 pm

Euronion wrote:unless the book is overly saucy, never


That's gotta be for lols. :lol2:
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Postby Biop » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:26 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Euronion wrote:unless the book is overly saucy, never


You leave the throbbing, thrusting, and heaving alone!


..I dont want to know, I Can guess but lets not
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:40 pm

censorship is a stupid idea. It won't fix anything.
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:35 pm

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Euronion wrote:unless the book is overly saucy, never


You leave the throbbing, thrusting, and heaving alone!


And then the dark side of Katganistan's hobbies emerge.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:39 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:"Overly saucy"? :lol: Seriously?

I hate all those footnotes...

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:42 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Euronion wrote:unless the book is overly saucy, never


You leave the throbbing, thrusting, and heaving alone!


I'd like to go to one of those saucy puppet shows that Futurama keeps talking about...but they don't have those advertised...damn bans.

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Postby Imsogone » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:26 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
You leave the throbbing, thrusting, and heaving alone!


And then the dark side of Katganistan's hobbies emerge.


What dark side?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:29 pm

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Postby Hyenastan » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:55 pm

NO book should ever be censored, nor should any be baned, and as for the ones that help you build/assemble weapons and explosives?
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Postby Spendor » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:01 pm

Banning books encourages a lot of folks to read them, if only to find out for themselves why certain groups want those works to keep everyone else from finding out. The unpermitted increases its appeal to many.

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Postby New Heathera » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:04 pm

I think the only exception I would make to my "no book censorship" policy would be demonic summoning ritual books and similar "supernaturally dangerous" material.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:07 pm

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No, books should never be censored or banned. If one is uncomfortable with some reading material, rather than appeal for its censoring or banning, the best thing to do is not read it and allow others to read it if they so wish to.

What if it's libel?


Even if it's defamation. If the person or people defamed have a problem, they can sue the author and it's their personal problem. But I don't see a reason to ban the book because of libel.
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Postby The Corparation » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:12 pm

New Heathera wrote:I think the only exception I would make to my "no book censorship" policy would be demonic summoning ritual books and similar "supernaturally dangerous" material.

You do nkow that those don't actually work don't you. As such there's no reason to ban them. Besides it keeps thsoe wierd goth kids out of the sun and away from decent normal folks.
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