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Should books ever be censored/banned?

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Postby Risottia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:20 am

Text should be banned from public access insofar that text incites to a crime, or constitutes a crime per se. There's no thing such an ABSOLUTE right to free press/speech: all rights are relative.
Books are text.
Hence yes, banning/censoring books can be legitimate sometimes.

Not "every" as in the thread title says - I guess it's just bad spelling though.
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Postby The Gates of Hell » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:24 am

Posting this topic on this site, makes about as much sense as a superhero who saves someone who then asks if superheroes should exist. lol
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:32 am

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One would ask if Twilight lovers would read worthy books.....


My guess is no. But I could be wrong.


Indeed.

My wife went to a showing of one of the twilights. Don't remember which but she said it was disturbing as the audience was a mix of tweenies and 40+ year old women.

She never went to another movie after that.....
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:37 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
My guess is no. But I could be wrong.


Indeed.

My wife went to a showing of one of the twilights. Don't remember which but she said it was disturbing as the audience was a mix of tweenies and 40+ year old women.

She never went to another movie after that.....


I started reading the book, you know, trying to see what the hype was about. I found it to be lackluster and vapid. Before that, I watched the first movie with my mother at her house. I still want that hour or so from my life back.

I can, to a certain point, understand something about the saga. It made teen girls read. But that's not enough. If you're to try and cause a teenager to read, maybe it would be best that the writing piece is worthwhile, that it actually helps the teen develop (something other than an obsession with Edward Cullen or the other lad) mentally. Something that, IMO, the Twilight saga is not.
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:39 am

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No, of course not.
By Ragnar Benson? Just searched it. Looks like a fine read. And agreed, I see no possible justification for banning or censoring books.

Of course, someone could always muster some nitpicky counterexamples, such as The Big Book of Nuclear Launch Codes for Lolwuts, but those are beside the point.
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Postby Caffeinetopia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:02 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Cill Charthaigh wrote:No, never. Books are speech, so they should be protected. What it's about means jack shit.


How to Synthesize Smallpox in Your Kitchen and Build Nuclear Bombs with Basic Hardware Materials: The Book

If an average person with basic equipment can do either of these things without killing themselves, I think we're screwed anyway.

I don't think we should ever censor stuff out of fear.

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Postby Forsher » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:05 am

You don't know what you're talking about, it's all censored already: we just don't know it. No.
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Postby Austrasia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:13 am

Books are dangerous. Readers are dangerous. Any danger must be removed from our environment.

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Postby The Knights of the Golden Circle » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:29 am

Although I am a Christian Fundamentalist, I believe that people have a right t freedom of speech and information. And God will punish them if they err.

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Postby Fritstaour » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:51 am

No books should ever be censored or banned, freedom of information is too valuable
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Postby Spiral Sun » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:04 am

Etharnor wrote:i personally think that books should never be censored/banned, no matter what language they use or what their subject matter is.

the reason I am asking is because my language teacher is forcing us to buy the censored version of huckleberry finn, and it really annoys me that we are forced to read a watered down version of one of the greatest books of all time.


what are your thoughts, NS?

More abridged than anything, though I would have to agree. Censoring that work kind of takes away from the relationship between Huck and Jim, as well as how much of an ass Tom is. Wait, they only censor the N-word? That doesn't seem like much of an issue.
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Postby Revolutopia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:07 am

Spiral Sun wrote:
Etharnor wrote:i personally think that books should never be censored/banned, no matter what language they use or what their subject matter is.

the reason I am asking is because my language teacher is forcing us to buy the censored version of huckleberry finn, and it really annoys me that we are forced to read a watered down version of one of the greatest books of all time.


what are your thoughts, NS?

More abridged than anything, though I would have to agree. Censoring that work kind of takes away from the relationship between Huck and Jim, as well as how much of an ass Tom is. Wait, they only censor the N-word? That doesn't seem like much of an issue.


It does take with the historical reality of the novel, and other important aspects. However, they could deleted the entire half after Jim is capture and Huck decides to rescue him. In that, the Tom Sawyer section is godawful and practically ruins the book in my opinion.
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Postby Spiral Sun » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:12 am

Revolutopia wrote:
Spiral Sun wrote:More abridged than anything, though I would have to agree. Censoring that work kind of takes away from the relationship between Huck and Jim, as well as how much of an ass Tom is. Wait, they only censor the N-word? That doesn't seem like much of an issue.


It does take with the historical reality of the novel, and other important aspects. However, they could deleted the entire half after Jim is capture and Huck decides to rescue him. In that, the Tom Sawyer section is godawful and practically ruins the book in my opinion.
Mark Twain hated Tom Sawyer. Having him show the person everyone wanted him to write about again, Mr. Sawyer, he seems to have done a good job in having Tom do everythign for fun, not telling Huck and Jim that Jim had been freed, putting Jim at the risk of being lynched.
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Postby Power Jesus » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:13 am

All books except the Bible (King James Version) should be censored immediately.
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Postby Revolutopia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:16 am

Spiral Sun wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
It does take with the historical reality of the novel, and other important aspects. However, they could deleted the entire half after Jim is capture and Huck decides to rescue him. In that, the Tom Sawyer section is godawful and practically ruins the book in my opinion.
Mark Twain hated Tom Sawyer. Having him show the person everyone wanted him to write about again, Mr. Sawyer, he seems to have done a good job in having Tom do everythign for fun, not telling Huck and Jim that Jim had been freed, putting Jim at the risk of being lynched.

I can understand Twain's opinion on the character, but that still doesn't stop him from almost ruining the book. Honestly, if he had stopped before Tom came along Huck Finn would probably be my favorite American novel. Yet, he didn't and that has forced the book down on the list.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:01 am

The Knights of the Golden Circle wrote:Although I am a Christian Fundamentalist, I believe that people have a right t freedom of speech and information. And God will punish them if they err.


The people who prohibit free speech or the people who practice their free speech?

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Postby Cruciland » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:05 am

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Postby Cosmopoles » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:24 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I started reading the book, you know, trying to see what the hype was about. I found it to be lackluster and vapid. Before that, I watched the first movie with my mother at her house. I still want that hour or so from my life back.

I can, to a certain point, understand something about the saga. It made teen girls read. But that's not enough. If you're to try and cause a teenager to read, maybe it would be best that the writing piece is worthwhile, that it actually helps the teen develop (something other than an obsession with Edward Cullen or the other lad) mentally. Something that, IMO, the Twilight saga is not.


If anything, that sort of junk food literature will actually make it harder for readers to progress onto more worthy books which require any sort of attention span.

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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:28 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Indeed.

My wife went to a showing of one of the twilights. Don't remember which but she said it was disturbing as the audience was a mix of tweenies and 40+ year old women.

She never went to another movie after that.....


I started reading the book, you know, trying to see what the hype was about. I found it to be lackluster and vapid. Before that, I watched the first movie with my mother at her house. I still want that hour or so from my life back.

I can, to a certain point, understand something about the saga. It made teen girls read. But that's not enough. If you're to try and cause a teenager to read, maybe it would be best that the writing piece is worthwhile, that it actually helps the teen develop (something other than an obsession with Edward Cullen or the other lad) mentally. Something that, IMO, the Twilight saga is not.


The series appeals to some women's most basic desires.

Marriage, children, some sort of strange "feminist" message about how women are the masters of their own... "Destiny" (being a horrible parasitic monster, as it were).

The whole thing is just weird.

Stephanie Meyer DID get one thing right: the Bella girl reads like a Shakespearean villainess. She is neurotic, lustful, emotionally unstable, and manipulative, and almost causes the downfall of two dynastic families.

I assume that the sequel to the latest book is going to be Lovecraftian, with Bella as Twilight's Cthulhu.
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Postby Cill Charthaigh » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:32 am

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I personally enjoy the banning of Where's Waldo the best.


Why stop at banning when we can have an entire book barbecue, and cook every copy of Where's Waldo while we're at it. I've even got S mores for all of us to enjoy.


That's sick. I use Where's Waldo to pass the time at the dentist's office while my 2 little sisters are getting their teeth cleaned in a rather painful manner.
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Postby Vestr-Norig » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:32 am

I believe some books should be banned, such as Mein Kampf, The Breivik manuscript, and the socalled Satanic Bible, just to mention a few.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:33 am

Vestr-Norig wrote:I believe some books should be banned, such as Mein Kampf, and the socalled Satanic Bible, just to mention a few.

Why?
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:35 am

Vestr-Norig wrote:I believe some books should be banned, such as Mein Kampf, and the socalled Satanic Bible, just to mention a few.


Mein Kampf are the incoherent ramblings of a madman, and are only appealing to other incoherent, rambling madmen... Some regulation is already in place for that, in Germany. While I'm inclined to agree, the book is history. If people don't know history, they are destined to repeat it.

I don't think you've read the "so-called" Satanic Bible. It's not what you think it is.

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Postby Vestr-Norig » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:39 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:I believe some books should be banned, such as Mein Kampf, and the socalled Satanic Bible, just to mention a few.

Why?

They proclaims immorality, violence and harm to society..
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Postby Maxizenstochia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:40 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:I believe some books should be banned, such as Mein Kampf, and the socalled Satanic Bible, just to mention a few.

Why?


Yeah I'd like to know as well. Because they make you uncomfortable?

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