If you deny man-made global warming...

[Farnhamia]

Gore is an oaf. Global warming is not happening/effected by man. No amount of socialist taxing schemes + hypnotizing in schools is going to change that.

No one mentioned Al Gore until you brought him up bucko. Gore's oafishness has no bearing on the discussion, as he's a celebrity, not a scientist. The real scientists who study weather and climate have amassed mountains of data that point to one conclusion: climate change is happening and we're driving it. The only thing left is a discussion of how to proceed to mitigate the damage.

Yeah, yeah, but Al Gore is fat, too.

[Galloism]

No one mentioned Al Gore until you brought him up bucko. Gore's oafishness has no bearing on the discussion, as he's a celebrity, not a scientist. The real scientists who study weather and climate have amassed mountains of data that point to one conclusion: climate change is happening and we're driving it. The only thing left is a discussion of how to proceed to mitigate the damage.

Yeah, yeah, but Al Gore is fat, too.

New excitable Al Gore is scary, besides being fat.

I preferred boring Gore.

[The Black Forrest]

Gore is an oaf. Global warming is not happening/effected by man. No amount of socialist taxing schemes + hypnotizing in schools is going to change that.

No one mentioned Al Gore until you brought him up bucko. Gore's oafishness has no bearing on the discussion, as he's a celebrity, not a scientist. The real scientists who study weather and climate have amassed mountains of data that point to one conclusion: climate change is happening and we're driving it. The only thing left is a discussion of how to proceed to mitigate the damage.

That logic always makes me go

A celebrity get's involved; does a few things wrong and or presents badly and people declare the problem invalid.

[Bluth Corporation]

Farnhamia: My point was that since he's dead, saying he should "stick to" X is rather pointless.

[The Black Forrest]

Farnhamia: My point was that since he's dead, saying he should "stick to" X is rather pointless.

Ahh but he could possess somebody and release new books!

[Farnhamia]

Farnhamia: My point was that since he's dead, saying he should "stick to" X is rather pointless.

Okay. (We really, really, really need a "shrug" smiley.)

[Revolutopia]

Yeah, yeah, but Al Gore is fat, too.

New excitable Al Gore is scary, besides being fat.

I preferred boring Gore.

Futurama Al Gore, First Emperor of the Moon, is the best Al Gore.

[Free Soviets]

Crichton is a hack, and global warming is happening. No amount of conspiracy theory bullshit is going to change that.

Gore is an oaf. Global warming is not happening/effected by man. No amount of socialist taxing schemes + hypnotizing in schools is going to change that.

so this always fascinates me. like, do you think you are being clever? do you feel like you've somehow become an expert on the subject by studiously avoiding studying it?

[Our Lady Skye Sweetnam]

Whether global warming exists or not is irrelevant to me, we should be taking care of our earth regardless.
However one thing that infuriates me is a lot environmentalists are hypocrites. Many of them have tons of children, which makes no sense to me at all. If they really love the planet so much, why haven't they committed mass suicide already?

[Trotskylvania]

Whether global warming exists or not is irrelevant to me, we should be taking care of our earth regardless.
However one thing that infuriates me is a lot environmentalists are hypocrites. Many of them have tons of children, which makes no sense to me at all. If they really love the planet so much, why haven't they committed mass suicide already?

Only tiny percentage of environmentalists are Mother Earth Goddess worshiping nutters. I've been involved in social ecology because I care about people, and recognize the only way for any of us to have a decent life at all in the foreseeable future is for us to build an ecological society.

[Free Soviets]

Whether global warming exists or not is irrelevant to me, we should be taking care of our earth regardless.
However one thing that infuriates me is a lot environmentalists are hypocrites. Many of them have tons of children, which makes no sense to me at all. If they really love the planet so much, why haven't they committed mass suicide already?

because not everyone accepts that human extinction is the optimal solution. obviously.

also, what environmentalists are you thinking of that have tons of children?

[Trotskylvania]

Whether global warming exists or not is irrelevant to me, we should be taking care of our earth regardless.
However one thing that infuriates me is a lot environmentalists are hypocrites. Many of them have tons of children, which makes no sense to me at all. If they really love the planet so much, why haven't they committed mass suicide already?

because not everyone accepts that human extinction is the optimal solution. obviously.

also, what environmentalists are you thinking of that have tons of children?

That, was honestly, the most perplexing part, because most greens I know are well under the 2.1 children rate of replacement.

[The Aryan Nations]

There's a question I have for people who believe that humans are not affecting Earth's climate. This has nothing to do with their arguments surrounding the reason why Earth's climate is changing. Scientists who believe in the existence of man-made global warming make up a clear cut majority. Is it even possible that an entire field is being paid off by an industry that has practically just left the womb? If this is not the case, then what is? Are they all stupid and gullible?

>implying that because lots of scientists believe in something it automatically makes it true

[The Aryan Nations]

because not everyone accepts that human extinction is the optimal solution. obviously.

also, what environmentalists are you thinking of that have tons of children?

That, was honestly, the most perplexing part, because most greens I know are well under the 2.1 children rate of replacement.

2.1? o.O

where is this tenth of a person? is it gore smeared from an accident or something? i must know!

[The Aryan Nations]

Gore is an oaf. Global warming is not happening/effected by man. No amount of socialist taxing schemes + hypnotizing in schools is going to change that.

No one mentioned Al Gore until you brought him up bucko. Gore's oafishness has no bearing on the discussion, as he's a celebrity, not a scientist. The real scientists who study weather and climate have amassed mountains of data that point to one conclusion: climate change is happening and we're driving it. The only thing left is a discussion of how to proceed to mitigate the damage.

im pretty sure that i can come up with mountains of data that says global warming is natural. such as, say, the Cretaceous period.

Several trillions of dollars of harm, if we're looking for complete carbon neutrality. The possible cost of the modern economy.

Not that mind you the consequences of not acting aren't higher, sustainability should be our aim though, not stopping global warming, at this point, even if we could stop it, the actions required of us are far beyond our actual capabilities, with the science available today. Miracles may happen, so long as the science is focused that way, but actual requirements are so drastic very few could realistically implement them.

So money (even in the triliions) suddenly becomes more important than the entire population (human and animal) of Earth?

seems that you ignored most of his post.

So science that most humans dont even believe in suddenly becomes worth wasting money trying to delay a natural phenomenon?

not that many of the nations that produce significant levels of pollution could actually implement any such reform.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Of coarse it is possible to pay off an entire filed to tell us the globe is warming. It is not only possible, but also very easy! Also there are 7 billion people on the Earth, of coarse some of them will be scientist who are stupid and gluble. And others...well, I'd fudge figures too if I had a gun pointed to my head...

[New Heathera]

I'll like to re-state my point that people don't believe in global warming because they don't WANT to believe in bad news that's going to take effort to change. Especially corporations that will be hurt by environmental changes. The CEOs will rather keep their pockets flowing with cash and think about "right now" than spend more money to save the Earth years from now.

[Euronion]

whatever you say Al Gore Jr.

[Avenio]

im pretty sure that i can come up with mountains of data that says global warming is natural. such as, say, the Cretaceous period.

What about the Cretaceous period? The fact that it was 65 million years ago? The fact that it took millions of years to get that climate? The fact that a mass extinction during that period was very much exacerbated by climate change during that period? What? Do you honestly think us stupid enough to seriously overlook the fact that climate change has happened in the past, and that we would also be stupid enough to not take into account? Do you?

Of coarse it is possible to pay off an entire filed to tell us the globe is warming. It is not only possible, but also very easy! Also there are 7 billion people on the Earth, of coarse some of them will be scientist who are stupid and gluble. And others...well, I'd fudge figures too if I had a gun pointed to my head...

whatever you say Al Gore Jr.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

whatever you say Al Gore Jr.

Too bad you didn't have a quote in that post, otherwise I would have siged that. Granted, I would have snipped the quote to conserve space, but still...

[The Aryan Nations]

I'll like to re-state my point that people don't believe in global warming because they don't WANT to believe in bad news that's going to take effort to change. Especially corporations that will be hurt by environmental changes. The CEOs will rather keep their pockets flowing with cash and think about "right now" than spend more money to save the Earth years from now.

you do realize that global warming has existed before humans, and is an entirely natural phenomenon, yes? actual scientists agree.

the only way to totally kill your carbon footprint is to stop exhaling. because you produce CO2 with every breath you exhale.

[Our Lady Skye Sweetnam]

Whether global warming exists or not is irrelevant to me, we should be taking care of our earth regardless.
However one thing that infuriates me is a lot environmentalists are hypocrites. Many of them have tons of children, which makes no sense to me at all. If they really love the planet so much, why haven't they committed mass suicide already?

because not everyone accepts that human extinction is the optimal solution. obviously.

also, what environmentalists are you thinking of that have tons of children?

I don't know, it's what Lord Foamy told me. Watch the whole video to see all of his points too.

[Tubbsalot]

Discussions of global warming on NSG tend to be more depressing than reading youtube comments, with the exception of a few beacons.

Too bad you didn't have a quote in that post, otherwise I would have siged that

Don't worry. Even without 'siging' that, I think most people could take a pretty decent stab at your opinion.

[Free Soviets]

im pretty sure that i can come up with mountains of data that says global warming is natural. such as, say, the Cretaceous period.

ah, excellent. now, oh wise paleoclimatologist, tell us the mechanism by which there was a cretaceous hot house. and then, would you please explain the mechanism for the current warming? you do know these things, right?

[The Aryan Nations]

im pretty sure that i can come up with mountains of data that says global warming is natural. such as, say, the Cretaceous period.

What about the Cretaceous period? The fact that it was 65 million years ago? The fact that it took millions of years to get that climate?

1. its an example.
2. global warming is natural. the fact that the earth has cycles that it repeats is better proven by the fact of the age of the period cited.

The fact that a mass extinction during that period was very much exacerbated by climate change during that period?

also natural. the weak will die, the strong survive.

What? Do you honestly think us stupid enough to seriously overlook the fact that climate change has happened in the past, and that we would also be stupid enough to not take into account? Do you?

are we not on NSG?