If you deny man-made global warming...

[Tubbsalot]

>implying all scientists support global warming

i found it too idiotic to grace with a reply.

Just about every reputable scientist in the field recognises the existence of anthropogenic global warming. If you think that's wrong, feel free to provide a counterexample - just remember that it has to be a REPUTABLE scientist (not Dr. Trustworthy who's in the employ of Shell) and a scientist IN THE FIELD OF CLIMATE SCIENCE (as opposed to, say, a psychologist, or a baker).

In any case, it's hilariously clear that you just couldn't come up with a reply to that post, and it doesn't reflect well on you that you refuse to stop talking when it's plainly obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Climate science is young, it is easy to manipulate it.

Isn't it interesting how people who say this never propose a way to actually do this.

How exactly would you corrupt every relevant scientist on Earth.

[Salma]

im going to anticipate their argument and say pluto is not a planet...

But it is.

[Revolutopia]

Take one Atlas Shrugged, and call me in the morning.

What is this shit? Atlas Shrugged is not sociopathic .
The villains of Atlas Shrugged are sociopathic.

I know, John Galt what an asshole.


Also, it was just some light humor.....as I would never be sadistic enough to encourage anyone to read that trash.

however, lets not dwell to much on this.

[The Aryan Nations]

im going to anticipate their argument and say pluto is not a planet...

But it is.

... i am a child again.. and i am so happy pluto is a planet again

you sir, you have made my day. at 1:52 in the morning.

[The Aryan Nations]

>implying all scientists support global warming

i found it too idiotic to grace with a reply.

Just about every reputable scientist in the field recognises the existence of anthropogenic global warming. If you think that's wrong, feel free to provide a counterexample - just remember that it has to be a REPUTABLE scientist (not Dr. Trustworthy who's in the employ of Shell) and a scientist IN THE FIELD OF CLIMATE SCIENCE (as opposed to, say, a psychologist, or a baker).

In any case, it's hilariously clear that you just couldn't come up with a reply to that post, and it doesn't reflect well on you that you refuse to stop talking when it's plainly obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Andrew Gavin Marshall, Geologist, Geochemist.

[Salma]

... i am a child again.. and i am so happy pluto is a planet again

you sir, you have made my day. at 1:52 in the morning.

It always was. There was never a period where it WASN'T. Also, she.

[Avenio]

the rise of rome happened during a period of global warming. still with me? rome... was... GOOD. shit got done, science exploded..

during the period of global cooling.. known as the little ice age... THERE WAS MASS FAMINE. THAT WAS BAD.

comprende?

Sorry to break it to you, but Rome's fall wasn't caused by climate change. It may have been exacerbated by it, but not caused. Do keep that in mind.

Andrew Gavin Marshall, Geologist, Geochemist.

Not a climate scientist. And only one? A pity.

[The Aryan Nations]

... i am a child again.. and i am so happy pluto is a planet again

you sir, you have made my day. at 1:52 in the morning.

It always was. There was never a period where it WASN'T. Also, she.

i sincerely thought it was downgraded to an asteroid or something. but im glad to be wrong.

[The Aryan Nations]

the rise of rome happened during a period of global warming. still with me? rome... was... GOOD. shit got done, science exploded..

during the period of global cooling.. known as the little ice age... THERE WAS MASS FAMINE. THAT WAS BAD.

comprende?

Sorry to break it to you, but Rome's fall wasn't caused by climate change. It may have been exacerbated by it, but not caused. Do keep that in mind.

Andrew Gavin Marshall, Geologist, Geochemist.

Not a climate scientist. And only one? A pity.

1. i never said that the fall was caused by cooling. sorry to break it to you. i said its rise happened during a period of warming, and its fall happened just short of a period of cooling.
2. Geologist is a scientist that studies the earth. its good enough. i can come up with many, many more examples. a large majority is not the same thing as every single scientist in the field or the fields that are close.

[Tubbsalot]

Andrew Gavin Marshall, Geologist, Geochemist.

...geologists and geochemists have nothing to do with climate science.

I gave you two simple conditions, and you failed both of them.

[Salma]

i sincerely thought it was downgraded to an asteroid or something. but im glad to be wrong.

A couple former "asteroids" fit the classification of "dwarf planet" and were therefore upgraded - it makes for 13 planets.

the cooling periods show the Death of rome

i said its...fall happened just short of a period of cooling.

[The Aryan Nations]

Andrew Gavin Marshall, Geologist, Geochemist.

...geologists and geochemists have nothing to do with climate science.

I gave you two simple conditions, and you failed both of them.

its close enough.

a larger list

[Eviliatopia]

How exactly would you corrupt every relevant scientist on Earth.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change? Do I have to highlight the problem for you?

These people work for Governments, which have proven themselves to be massively corrupt, economically ignorant and socially authoritarian. These Government are afraid to lose power, since the end of the Cold War. They need myths and other bullshit to keep their iron fist on societies.

And no, all scientists are not corrupt

[Costa Fiero]

it doesn't even take denial. you either know shit about climate change yourself - in which case you are going to be onboard with the scientific consensus, because its really that obviously correct - or you don't know shit about climate change, and should either learn or just let the grownups talk.

This is the problem. I know global warming is happening. I have a vague understanding of climates and all the other malarkey associated with it. But the thing is, I don't like associating or even holding the same opinions of people like your type. Being facetious towards other posters because they have a different opinion towards your own isn't going to garner any new support, and is quite often what I encounter with environmental types.

For once, it was scientific consensus that the Earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the Earth. And now look at us. People could look back in a hundred years and think "boy were they kidding themselves" about the argument you're putting forward. Conversely, people could look back and think "those idiots really couldn't see what was right in front of them" on the argument that people denying climate change put forward.

Contrary to popular belief, climate change, and thus opinions on it, aren't black and white. I am for neither opinion to be honest. I don't like the idea of mercilessly extracting every drop of oil but I don't like the idea that I should be forced to stand naked outside all day gnawing on bark because it will save Mother Earth. I'm in the grey. And if you don't like it, too bad for you.

if you don't know shit about structural engineering, you aren't allowed to have opinions about how strong the beams in this building need to be.

Addressed as above. I'm allowed to say what I want on here, on any topic that takes my fancy. You've obviously made your opinions and views known to posters on here. What gives you the right to deny others the same thing? That to me doesn't seem right.

[Natapoc]

...geologists and geochemists have nothing to do with climate science.

I gave you two simple conditions, and you failed both of them.

its close enough.

a larger list

It's really not close enough. Would you feel comfortable with a marine biologist doing brain surgery on you? Brain surgeons and Marine Biologists both study living systems right? It's close enough!

[Salma]

its close enough.

Like saying that climate science and electronic engineering are close enough - After all, they both have electricity involved.

[Avenio]

1. i never said that the fall was caused by cooling. sorry to break it to you. i said its rise happened during a period of warming, and its fall happened just short of a period of cooling.

I'm sure I don't need to remind you that correlation =/= causation.

2. Geologist is a scientist that studies the earth. its good enough.

'Close enough' doesn't cut it. You wouldn't let a gastroenterologist conduct brain surgery on you, as he's not qualified to do it. Same with this fellow. Probably a decent geologist, but he shouldn't be making pronouncements outside of his field.

i can come up with many, many more examples. a large majority is not the same thing as every single scientist in the field or the fields that are close.

Oh, I'm sure you can come up with a half-dozen or so notable examples of people. Doesn't change the fact that ~90% of all relevant experts concur with the mountains of empirical evidence for climate change.

[Tubbsalot]

How exactly would you corrupt every relevant scientist on Earth.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change? Do I have to highlight the problem for you?

These people work for Governments, which have proven themselves to be massively corrupt, economically ignorant and socially authoritarian. These Government are afraid to lose power, since the end of the Cold War.

And no, all scientists are not corrupt

Ohhhh, of course. Scientists are corrupt because Government.

O K.

[Natapoc]

Look even if you think naturally occurring global warming is a great thing, surely you don't think polluting our air and killing our oceans with other toxins is a good thing right? It turns out that most all the steps we would need to take to stop global warming (which we'll pretend can't exist), also make our air and water cleaner thus making us more healthy.

So what's really holding you back?

edit: Goodnight.

[Costa Fiero]

nobody really supports global warming. they do accept the empirically and theoretically solid theory of anthropogenic global warming, though. not all, sure. just the overwhelmingly vast supermajority of all of them, and effectively all of them that are active publishers in relevant fields.

A little too overconfident are we?

[Tubbsalot]

A little too overconfident are we?

He knows what he's talking about, and his statements are justified.

[Costa Fiero]

A little too overconfident are we?

He knows what he's talking about, and his statements are justified.

But my opinion is better than yours because science backs it and your not allowed an opinion because you disagree with me.

Get my point? I don't actually believe what put in the line above but I had to get the point across to you. And no, being facetious and downright rude to other posters isn't justified. Have I gone to someone else and essentially called them stupid because they had a different opinion to mine?

[Salma]

But my opinion is better than yours because science backs it and your not allowed an opinion because you disagree with me.

Get my point? I don't actually believe what put in the line above but I had to get the point across to you. And no, being facetious and downright rude to other posters isn't justified. Have I gone to someone else and essentially called them stupid because they had a different opinion to mine?

There's a massive difference between opinion and data.

[Tubbsalot]

But my opinion is better than yours because science backs it and your not allowed an opinion because you disagree with me.

Get my point? I don't actually believe what put in the line above but I had to get the point across to you. And no, being facetious and downright rude to other posters isn't justified. Have I gone to someone else and essentially called them stupid because they had a different opinion to mine?

What are you talking about. He hasn't suggested you're a moron because you have a different opinion.

Judging from his previous agreement with something I said, I'd suggest he's just annoyed at people who think their opinions deserve respect and deference just because they're opinions. You're allowed to think whatever you like, but if you insist on telling everyone "bread is made of PEOPLE" then you'll probably come across as a bit thick and piss off bakers.

[Costa Fiero]

There's a massive difference between opinion and data.

There is also a difference between being polite and being rude.