Left-Libertarianism

[Pribram]

I want to know stances of you left libertarians and your opinion on them.I cosider myself as left libertarian (Anarcho communist, libertarian communist, democratic socialist).So i want to know what you (left libertarians think on the today issues (USA, recession, far-right etc....) and you opinion on ohter leftists like Stalinist.And your (non-left libertarians) opinion on the same things + your opinion on the left libertarians.

Info about Left-libertarianism
Left-libertarianism names several related but distinct approaches to politics, society, culture, and political and social theory, which stress equally both individual freedom and social justice

Left-libertarianism can refer generally to three related and overlapping schools of thought: first, to anti-authoritarian, anti-propertarian varieties of socialism.

Second, the Steiner-Vallentyne school, whose proponents draw radical conclusions from classical liberal or market liberal premises — either emphasizing links between self-ownership and egalitarianism.

And third, to "Left-wing market anarchism" which stresses the socially transformative potential of non-aggression and free markets. The term refers in the case of the latter two to a group of market-based libertarian political philosophies which have an egalitarian view concerning natural resources, holding that it is not legitimate for someone to claim private ownership of such resources to the detriment of others.
Source of info Wikipedia.

[Vecherd]

I find Left-Libertarianism way to Authoritarian for my taste. I believe in Freedom, which is incompatible with Authoritarian or Left-Wing ideologies.

[Regeteren]

I find Left-Libertarianism way to Authoritarian for my taste. I believe in Freedom, which is incompatible with Authoritarian or Left-Wing ideologies.

Agreed. "Left-Libertarian" is inherently a contradiction.

[SaintB]

I love liberty but I don't believe that communism, anarchism, etc. are the way to go about ensuring them. I think that a representative democracy coupled with a non-apathetic public is the best way to do it.

[SaintB]

I find Left-Libertarianism way to Authoritarian for my taste. I believe in Freedom, which is incompatible with Authoritarian or Left-Wing ideologies.

Agreed. "Left-Libertarian" is inherently a contradiction.

No more contradictory than Right-Libertarianism.

[Astrolinium]

I find Left-Libertarianism way to Authoritarian for my taste. I believe in Freedom, which is incompatible with Authoritarian or Left-Wing ideologies.

Agreed. "Left-Libertarian" is inherently a contradiction.

Not really. For example, a voluntary commune that people join without coercion is both leftist, being a commune, and libertarian, as all parties are there by their own choice and are free to leave at any time. Furthermore, I can't speak for others, but I identify as a left-libertarian in that I believe strongly in a lot of civil liberties and civil rights but feel that everything a business is allowed to do is a privilege, not a right, and that they (at least the larger ones) are not to be inherently trusted.

[Vecherd]

Agreed. "Left-Libertarian" is inherently a contradiction.

Not really. For example, a voluntary commune that people join without coercion is both leftist, being a commune, and libertarian, as all parties are there by their own choice and are free to leave at any time. Furthermore, I can't speak for others, but I identify as a left-libertarian in that I believe strongly in a lot of civil liberties and civil rights but feel that everything a business is allowed to do is a privilege, not a right, and that they (at least the larger ones) are not to be inherently trusted.

But businesses are made up by people and by denying businesses to do things, you are actually denying people their right to chose what they want to do. That is not liberal at all.

[Chestaan]

I see myself as a Council Communist, so yeah I guess I am a left libertarian. As for what my thoughts are on non-libertarian leftists it depends. I'm completely anti-Stalinism, anti-maoism etc because I don't believe that those ideologies really empower the working class in any way.

[Britennene]

I do not consider myself a Libertarian in any ways. A person can be left-liberal, but left-libertarian sounds like a contradiction to me. Though I may be wrong, Libertarianism would ensure free market, which I oppose. Free Market would reduce personal freedom.

[Ourfgenstan (Ancient)]

Not really. For example, a voluntary commune that people join without coercion is both leftist, being a commune, and libertarian, as all parties are there by their own choice and are free to leave at any time. Furthermore, I can't speak for others, but I identify as a left-libertarian in that I believe strongly in a lot of civil liberties and civil rights but feel that everything a business is allowed to do is a privilege, not a right, and that they (at least the larger ones) are not to be inherently trusted.

But businesses are made up by people and by denying businesses to do things, you are actually denying people their right to chose what they want to do. That is not liberal at all.

That's why they aren't Liberals.

Leftists hate Liberals.

[Britennene]

I find Left-Libertarianism way to Authoritarian for my taste. I believe in Freedom, which is incompatible with Authoritarian or Left-Wing ideologies.

What kind of freedom? I believe in personal freedom, but I object economical and political freedoms. A truly free man doesn't have to sell or vote.

[Ourfgenstan (Ancient)]

Anyway I am a Left Leaning Libertarian (as in when I do a political compass I will get in the centre-left libertarian zone), so compared to the Left leaning Authoritarian Liberals, I'm a bit different, but I'm no true anticapitalist style Left-Libertarian, I suppose you could call me a Liberltarian.

[Britennene]

But businesses are made up by people and by denying businesses to do things, you are actually denying people their right to chose what they want to do. That is not liberal at all.

That's why they aren't Liberals.

Leftists hate Liberals.

Leftism=Left Liberalism. You see, business must always be regulated. Why? If it's not regulated, the business will lie, it will enslave, it will corrupt. A corporation is not a person, and I deny personal rights from Corporations. Leftists are true Liberals, but I'm not one.

[Vecherd]

I find Left-Libertarianism way to Authoritarian for my taste. I believe in Freedom, which is incompatible with Authoritarian or Left-Wing ideologies.

What kind of freedom? I believe in personal freedom, but I object economical and political freedoms. A truly free man doesn't have to sell or vote.

Universal Freedom. I am against democracy but I am for full political freedom, a free man should absolutely be allowed to sell whatever he wants to sell.

[Ourfgenstan (Ancient)]

That's why they aren't Liberals.

Leftists hate Liberals.

Leftism=Left Liberalism. You see, business must always be regulated. Why? If it's not regulated, the business will lie, it will enslave, it will corrupt. A corporation is not a person, and I deny personal rights from Corporations. Leftists are true Liberals, but I'm not one.

A true liberal is a right wing *Classic Liberal*, the term Liberal has never been a left winged term, even now most people who call themselves Liberals are right leaning. When I say the term Leftist, I mean a true Leftist, aka an Anti Capitalist.

[SaintB]

What kind of freedom? I believe in personal freedom, but I object economical and political freedoms. A truly free man doesn't have to sell or vote.

Universal Freedom. I am against democracy but I am for full political freedom, a free man should absolutely be allowed to sell whatever he wants to sell.

Except for other people.

[Britennene]

What kind of freedom? I believe in personal freedom, but I object economical and political freedoms. A truly free man doesn't have to sell or vote.

Universal Freedom. I am against democracy but I am for full political freedom, a free man should absolutely be allowed to sell whatever he wants to sell.

Universal Freedom? So you DO believe in business regulations? The regulations that object enslavement. A free man is allowed to sell slaves, sell living animals, sell weaponry to killers, etc?

[HotspinTV]

The way I understand, a libertarian is some one who believes that people should be able to do what they want as long as they do not cause harm or infringe on the rights of others.

Leftists tend to be viewed as people who want the government to regulate business to improve the standard of living of the working class.

The only potential contradiction I see is if business owners claim that the government, by supporting socialist reforms, is infringing on their right to exploit their workers.

[Chestaan]

I do not consider myself a Libertarian in any ways. A person can be left-liberal, but left-libertarian sounds like a contradiction to me. Though I may be wrong, Libertarianism would ensure free market, which I oppose. Free Market would reduce personal freedom.

Right-libertarianism is in favour of the free market, whereas left-libertarianism is completely opposed to the free market.

[Britennene]

Leftism=Left Liberalism. You see, business must always be regulated. Why? If it's not regulated, the business will lie, it will enslave, it will corrupt. A corporation is not a person, and I deny personal rights from Corporations. Leftists are true Liberals, but I'm not one.

A true liberal is a right wing *Classic Liberal*, the term Liberal has never been a left winged term, even now most people who call themselves Liberals are right leaning. When I say the term Leftist, I mean a true Leftist, aka an Anti Capitalist.

Well, yes. Liberalism is a left-wing ideology, but the formal term is Leftist. And no, Leftists are not anti-capitalists. I mean, Lenin was an anti-capitalist, but was he Liberal? Hell no. Leftist=/=Anti-capitalist. Also, I approve of Capitalism if it's done in the right way.

[Britennene]

I do not consider myself a Libertarian in any ways. A person can be left-liberal, but left-libertarian sounds like a contradiction to me. Though I may be wrong, Libertarianism would ensure free market, which I oppose. Free Market would reduce personal freedom.

Right-libertarianism is in favour of the free market, whereas left-libertarianism is completely opposed to the free market.

Ahhh, okay. I need to check this.

[Ourfgenstan (Ancient)]

A true liberal is a right wing *Classic Liberal*, the term Liberal has never been a left winged term, even now most people who call themselves Liberals are right leaning. When I say the term Leftist, I mean a true Leftist, aka an Anti Capitalist.

Well, yes. Liberalism is a left-wing ideology, but the formal term is Leftist. And no, Leftists are not anti-capitalists. I mean, Lenin was an anti-capitalist, but was he Liberal? Hell no. Leftist=/=Anti-capitalist. Also, I approve of Capitalism if it's done in the right way.

American Liberalism is a centrist-centre right ideology, and no Liberals aren't Leftist, there is a difference between being left leaning (like me) and a Leftist, the term Leftist was always historically used to denote an anti capitalist far leftist, which is why people on the right use the term in such an insulting way. For example, Ed Miliband would be left leaning/centre-left, Karl Marx would be a leftist.

Liberals are not leftists, and leftists are not liberals.

[Vecherd]

Universal Freedom. I am against democracy but I am for full political freedom, a free man should absolutely be allowed to sell whatever he wants to sell.

Universal Freedom? So you DO believe in business regulations? The regulations that object enslavement. A free man is allowed to sell slaves, sell living animals, sell weaponry to killers, etc?

All people must agree upon a contract therefore slavery will not exist, it is quite simple really. Regulation businesses(which people control) is authoritarian.

[Lower Poseidonia]

I'm a left-libertarian of the Steiner-Vallentyne school. Although, since such a society is impossible to build in Nation States, my nation is much closer to a social-capitalist liberal one.

[Mindhar]

All libertarians are leftist; "right"-libertarians are committed statists and supporters of slavery and murder of the human spirit. Libertarianism is incompatible with private property and the hierarchy of employer over employee. Until society is organised on a purely voluntary basis—no work, no coercion, no state to defend capitalists from the workers they enslave—true freedom will never be created.

To be honest, though, I'm not all too cut up about it. I'd much rather have a (stateless) society where socialism and capitalism can exist side by side with different sectors of the economy organised according to what brings the most utility. I do understand what libertarians are trying to say, I just don't think it's practical.