AR-15

[Asyrica]

Meh. Your Choice.

I like AKs better there is a reason there the planets most popular weapon.

I'm tempted to be an AK-Nazi here...
The only reason they're used so much is due to how cheap they are.

Shouldn't Kel-Tecs be even more common then? Cheapness plays into it, but it's not the only reason.

The AK is undeniably less finicky than the AR, which is more important than accuracy in the majority of the countries where they are used (see: Third World). Anyone who says otherwise has not had a chance to compare them both firsthand.

[Grinning Dragon]

Just bought myself a AR-15 yesterday love it

Was wondering if anyone else has one or is getting one?? Ohh and i bought mine before dumbass obama tries to make them illegal again (since he is against gun ownership)

Also wondering what guns everyone owns as well

Welcome fellow AR-15 owner. HA
I have an Olympic Arms AR15 that is chambered for either .223 or 5.56NATO, also have 30 30 rd mags, and have recently purchased a Slide Fire SSAR-15 Bump Fire Stock
Here is a youtube video of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6tORrODJE

There are so MANY accessories to choose from for this rifle, if you haven't looked into quad rails for your AR, have a look around and might also want to see about a scope.
I have no doubt you will enjoy your new rifle and send many rounds down range.

[Napkiraly]

Guns are the greatest thing about this country. Without guns, there would be no threat of rebellion if the politicians break the rules set by the constitution. Guns are our countries protection against the banksters and the crooks in government.

Well they seem to be doing a pretty good job of screwing up America already, so this argument is invalid.

[Gun Manufacturers]

You made a ridiculous statement about convicted murders and assault rifles. Convicted criminals should not be able to own firearms. They lose that right, along with the right to vote in most states.

Which is the main point of gun licensing. To stop convicted felons and the severely mentally ill from getting weapons.

And like I said, some states have taken it to the extremes. We need a more happy medium between Massachusetts and Florida's systems.

Actually, the NICS background check is what's supposed to prevent felons and those adjudicated mentally defective from getting firearms.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Lolwut?

You have to build them before anyone can confiscate them.

You missed the joke. Look at what I bolded again.

[Galla-]

I'm tempted to be an AK-Nazi here...
The only reason they're used so much is due to how cheap they are.

Shouldn't Kel-Tecs be even more common then? Cheapness plays into it, but it's not the only reason.

The AK is undeniably less finicky than the AR, which is more important than accuracy in the majority of the countries where they are used (see: Third World). Anyone who says otherwise has not had a chance to compare them both firsthand.

Anyone who says likewise does not understand how to use the AKM's sights. It is sufficiently accurate to hit a man sized target at 300m. There is nothing magical about the M16 that gives it super accuracy, it simply has a flatter shooting cartridge.

And the M16 is sufficiently reliable to be able to be considered functional in all environments. It's only finicky around dust and sand, since it requires a very lubricated bolt, and the ejection port does not automatically close off to protect the bolt from dust and sand.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Cool! You're pretty lucky, lol. I haven't got any military-grade rifles. The only gun I really own is a break-action single-shot hunting rifle; but it's in .223 Remi nonetheless. My father, however, has something of a collection of firearms, one of which is his Cold War M16A2. I've shot the M16 in the past, and it's quite a nice gun.

My best friend recently bought an SKS; he already had a Moisin-Nagant, but it was somewhat big and unwieldy in his opinion (he's pretty short) and he wanted something that could fire the 7.62x39mm round. I haven't got a chance to see the SKS, but the Nagant is pretty sweet. Both of those guns are Curio and Relic firearms, so it's easier to have them since it requires less constitutionally-questionable bureaucracy and red tape. I'm something of a gun enthusiast, and I like to go shooting, but my single-shot rifle isn't the best for that, even though I can mount a scope on it. So I've been thinking about purchasing something along the lines of an SKS or something. Anyone have any suggestions?

It depends on what you want to do with it. A Ruger 10/22 can be a fun, inexpensive (to shoot) firearm if you're just looking to punch paper. If you're looking for a hunting firearm in a larger caliber than your single shot, the SKS, Ruger Mini-30 (uses the 7.62x39mm round like the SKS), various C&R mil-surp rifles, etc would be good.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

What possible reason could you have for getting an Assault rifle?

What reason does anyone buy a gun in America or any other reason for? To shoot it.

[Mad Monarch]

Which is the main point of gun licensing. To stop convicted felons and the severely mentally ill from getting weapons.

And like I said, some states have taken it to the extremes. We need a more happy medium between Massachusetts and Florida's systems.

Actually, the NICS background check is what's supposed to prevent felons and those adjudicated mentally defective from getting firearms.

Read my bit after this about gun education.

[Asyrica]

Shouldn't Kel-Tecs be even more common then? Cheapness plays into it, but it's not the only reason.

The AK is undeniably less finicky than the AR, which is more important than accuracy in the majority of the countries where they are used (see: Third World). Anyone who says otherwise has not had a chance to compare them both firsthand.

Anyone who says likewise does not understand how to use the AKM's sights. It is sufficiently accurate to hit a man sized target at 300m. There is nothing magical about the M16 that gives it super accuracy, it simply has a flatter shooting cartridge.

And the M16 is sufficiently reliable to be able to be considered functional in all environments. It's only finicky around dust and sand, since it requires a very lubricated bolt, and the ejection port does not automatically close off to protect the bolt from dust and sand.

I think you might be misreading what I'm saying.

I'm well aware of both those things. If the AK was a scatter-gun like many people imply when they make the accuracy argument, then it would not be one of the world's most popular weapons. It's as functionally accurate as the AR is within it's intended range. I was just trying to avoid the inevitable "BUT THE AR IS ACCURATE" comments.

Your second point doesn't seem like an argument to me. If it wasn't reliable enough to be considered functional, then it wouldn't be one of the most popular weapons out there. However, I don't think the majority of third world militias spend much time impressing the importance of a clean gun on their members. Accordingly, the gun that can function dirty is the better choice for those nations.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I'm talking about the background check you get when you buy a gun. Not licensing.

The current system requires a license so you don't end up emptying a clip by accident as well as the background checks.

No it doesn't. I bought my AR15 before I had my CT Pistol Permit (about 4 years before). Since I didn't have my permit, all it took was a 2 week waiting period (imposed by the state of CT).

[The Realm of God]

Anyone who says likewise does not understand how to use the AKM's sights. It is sufficiently accurate to hit a man sized target at 300m. There is nothing magical about the M16 that gives it super accuracy, it simply has a flatter shooting cartridge.

And the M16 is sufficiently reliable to be able to be considered functional in all environments. It's only finicky around dust and sand, since it requires a very lubricated bolt, and the ejection port does not automatically close off to protect the bolt from dust and sand.

I think you might be misreading what I'm saying.

I'm well aware of both those things. If the AK was a scatter-gun like many people imply when they make the accuracy argument, then it would not be one of the world's most popular weapons. It's as functionally accurate as the AR is within it's intended range. I was just trying to avoid the inevitable "BUT THE AR IS ACCURATE" comments.

Your second point doesn't seem like an argument to me. If it wasn't reliable enough to be considered functional, then it wouldn't be one of the most popular weapons out there. However, I don't think the majority of third world militias spend much time impressing the importance of a clean gun on their members. Accordingly, the gun that can function dirty is the better choice for those nations.

Ok I have to train a local militia of usually pacifistic people who want to protect there families. If I have 1 day to do it I need to use the AK because it does not need to be cared for very well and has common ammunition. If I had a week I would use the m16 I need a week to teach people to care for it and to drill people in its complex workings and cleaning techniques.

The ease of use and learning curve make the Kalash the better weapon.

[Idaho Conservatives]

I think you might be misreading what I'm saying.

I'm well aware of both those things. If the AK was a scatter-gun like many people imply when they make the accuracy argument, then it would not be one of the world's most popular weapons. It's as functionally accurate as the AR is within it's intended range. I was just trying to avoid the inevitable "BUT THE AR IS ACCURATE" comments.

Your second point doesn't seem like an argument to me. If it wasn't reliable enough to be considered functional, then it wouldn't be one of the most popular weapons out there. However, I don't think the majority of third world militias spend much time impressing the importance of a clean gun on their members. Accordingly, the gun that can function dirty is the better choice for those nations.

Ok I have to train a local militia of usually pacifistic people who want to protect there families. If I have 1 day to do it I need to use the AK because it does not need to be cared for very well and has common ammunition. If I had a week I would use the m16 I need a week to teach people to care for it and to drill people in its complex workings and cleaning techniques.

The ease of use and learning curve make the Kalash the better weapon.

Or maybe it's because AKs are available by the metric fuckton for dirt cheap? I do think that the AK is the better gun, but it's certainly not because it takes less time to learn how to clean.

[Asyrica]

I think you might be misreading what I'm saying.

I'm well aware of both those things. If the AK was a scatter-gun like many people imply when they make the accuracy argument, then it would not be one of the world's most popular weapons. It's as functionally accurate as the AR is within it's intended range. I was just trying to avoid the inevitable "BUT THE AR IS ACCURATE" comments.

Your second point doesn't seem like an argument to me. If it wasn't reliable enough to be considered functional, then it wouldn't be one of the most popular weapons out there. However, I don't think the majority of third world militias spend much time impressing the importance of a clean gun on their members. Accordingly, the gun that can function dirty is the better choice for those nations.

Ok I have to train a local militia of usually pacifistic people who want to protect there families. If I have 1 day to do it I need to use the AK because it does not need to be cared for very well and has common ammunition. If I had a week I would use the m16 I need a week to teach people to care for it and to drill people in its complex workings and cleaning techniques.

That's more or less what I'm saying.

In so far as the "best" weapon, they both have quite a few good qualities that are exclusive to each of them. Which is the "best" varies dependant on the specific needs of the user. The AK is more common because of the reasons described above, not because it's all that different from a maintained AR in terms of effectiveness.

Or maybe it's because AKs are available by the metric fuckton for dirt cheap? I do think that the AK is the better gun, but it's certainly not because it takes less time to learn how to clean.

If you'd bothered to read the rest of the posts on this page, you'd see I said that that indeed is part of it. It's just not the only reason that it's so common.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The AK line does not stop at the AK-47, which for the record is one of the least common AK variants aside from the AK-12 of which only prototypes exist and you all actually mean the AKM, the AK-74 rectifies almost every issue the AKM had, largely in its ammunition's ability to wound.

[Asyrica]

The AK line does not stop at the AK-47, which for the record is one of the least common AK variants aside from the AK-12 of which only prototypes exist and you all actually mean the AKM, the AK-74 rectifies almost every issue the AKM had, largely in its ammunition's ability to wound.

Don't look at me. I've been simply refering to it as the AK or AK-series for exactly those reasons.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

It has to be said anywhere there is a discussion on the AR-15 platform, because someone inevitably brings up "z0mg ak-47 r teh ossum". Which is, funnily enough, probably wrong, but correct when applied to AKM or later.

[Distruzio]

I prefer the AK. Its a bit heavier, but the cost saving is much more to my liking.

[Anti-Obamaland]

What possible reason could you have for getting an Assault rifle?

Uh, because it is our RIGHT to own such a weapon.

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

[Anti-Obamaland]

I'm tempted to be an AK-Nazi here...
The only reason they're used so much is due to how cheap they are.

Shouldn't Kel-Tecs be even more common then? Cheapness plays into it, but it's not the only reason.

The AK is undeniably less finicky than the AR, which is more important than accuracy in the majority of the countries where they are used (see: Third World). Anyone who says otherwise has not had a chance to compare them both firsthand.

If you CLEAN your AR, it will function just as well.

[Anti-Obamaland]

Guns are the greatest thing about this country. Without guns, there would be no threat of rebellion if the politicians break the rules set by the constitution. Guns are our countries protection against the banksters and the crooks in government.

Well they seem to be doing a pretty good job of screwing up America already, so this argument is invalid.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns are just the implement. You could kill just as easily with a lot of other things-poison, knife, razor et al. HE is right that politicians should fear the populace because with it reversed, that is called TYRANNY.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Shouldn't Kel-Tecs be even more common then? Cheapness plays into it, but it's not the only reason.

The AK is undeniably less finicky than the AR, which is more important than accuracy in the majority of the countries where they are used (see: Third World). Anyone who says otherwise has not had a chance to compare them both firsthand.

If you CLEAN your AR, it will function just as well.

Yes, but that fact alone makes it more finicky.

[Ahtreil]

Well.. I am a pacifist, so i am not planning on getting any weapon anytime soon..

But well.. as long as you don't go on a homicidal rampage, i guess it's good that you have something that you wanted..

[Asyrica]

Shouldn't Kel-Tecs be even more common then? Cheapness plays into it, but it's not the only reason.

The AK is undeniably less finicky than the AR, which is more important than accuracy in the majority of the countries where they are used (see: Third World). Anyone who says otherwise has not had a chance to compare them both firsthand.

If you CLEAN your AR, it will function just as well.

If you READ the rest of the comments, you'll see I fully agree with you.

[Cannot think of a name]

Obama isn't opposed to gun ownership, most on the left aren't either.




supporting gun licensing ≠ being against gun ownership

And its really hard to get some of those license which is stupid but also hear from several gun dealers that obama is pushing to eliminate assault rifles from the market which is BS

So, what you're saying is that a guy trying to sell you a gun has told you that someone is going to try to elimanate that gun from the market so you better buy one now...

Well...I must say...that is compelling. I mean, why would a guy who is selling you a gun mislead you about something like that?

2) Then teach firearms safety in schools. It'll cut down on those school shootings and children will be less inclined to see rifles as toys. You don't see scissors or knives as toys because they teach you safety about them. Same as any other tool, really.

This always cracks me up when I see it after shootings. "If only we taught gun safety!" It sort of implies that during one of these shootings the perpetrators were going, "Oops! OopsoopsoopsSorry!Sorry!oops!" sitting there surrounded by bodies..."Wait, guns can hurt people?" The people who go on shooting rampages, or shoot each other or bystanders...they used the gun properly. They aimed it at something they wanted dead and shot it. There wasn't a misuse there, that's what guns do. A gun safety course might have reminded them to use both hands, but other than that...