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My problem with feminism.

Postby Aquophia » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:25 am

I have nothing against women and I do believe in gender equality, which is why these things about feminsim bug me.

Feminists like to cherry pick the sexist ideas that benefit them. The biggest one being that women are always inferior to men in physical combat, therefore its the man's fault even if the woman started the fight by hitting first. If feminists say that women should serve in combat roles such as the military, then they should also be able to hold their own in a fight. Anything less is gender discrimination.

The next biggest one is that women don't make any money, so the man must pay for the date. Women have been using this one for far too long. Even in a time when more women are going to college than men, they still see this as a customary rule to dating. Dont they see that it is strongly implying that they can't even support themselves without a man? This idea was probably relevant back in the middle ages when women couldnt get jobs, but in this day and age, I don't see a need for it. It's fair and equal to split the pay.

My final example is the idea that women are somehow entitled to be rescued first. Who is usually the first to go in hostage situations? Women and children. What makes a woman more entitled to rescue than a man? I thought there was supposed to be an equal playing field with feminists, but now that you are in danger, you are playing the "im jsut a frail little lady." card.

It's double standards like above that make it hard to take feminism seriously. If women really want to be equal to men, they have to let go of sexist traditional ideas that make them unequal. You cant preach equality and hold onto ideas like this at the same time.

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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:29 am

Aquophia wrote:Feminists like to...

i don't believe feminists do any of that, let alone all. name 5.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:29 am

Aquophia wrote:Feminists like to cherry pick the sexist ideas that benefit them.

okay well that's not true at all but whatever

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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:29 am

When your idea of feminism is fucked up it's easy for you to make these kind of ignorant posts so I don't blame you too much.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:30 am

you seem to be mixing up old sexist memes with feminism.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:32 am

I think you're confusing 'feminism' with 'some people who call themselves feminists'.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:33 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:I think you're confusing 'feminism' with 'some people who call themselves feminists'.

It's not even that. He's identifying ways in which society is still somewhat sexist, and then saying those things are feminism. It has nothing to do with any feminists I know of.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:37 am

Tubbsalot wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I think you're confusing 'feminism' with 'some people who call themselves feminists'.

It's not even that. He's identifying ways in which society is still somewhat sexist, and then saying those things are feminism. It has nothing to do with any feminists I know of.

I've known people who claimed to be feminists (no one notable, mind) but still held onto one or more of those sexist notions.
*shrug*
Any idea is going to have adherents who don't apply it particularly strictly.
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Postby Aquophia » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:42 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:When your idea of feminism is fucked up it's easy for you to make these kind of ignorant posts so I don't blame you too much.
I know what feminism is. Feminism is all about men being equal to men in political, economic, and social aspects of life. My examples in my original post do not fit that definition at all. No feminist ever says anything when those examples come up.

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Postby Pieman City » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:42 am

Perhaps if you learned a little more about feminism, you wouldn't have such a problem with it.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:45 am

Aquophia wrote:
Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:When your idea of feminism is fucked up it's easy for you to make these kind of ignorant posts so I don't blame you too much.
I know what feminism is. Feminism is all about men being equal to men in political, economic, and social aspects of life. My examples in my original post do not fit that definition at all. No feminist ever says anything when those examples come up.

oh how would you know what feminists say when someone trots out a tired old sexist meme like "women and children first"?
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Postby Alyakia » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:45 am

hey dawg just checking in as a sorta feminist to say i despise all these double standards and want them eliminated

feminism is not a single consistent ideology with a one true world view

hope that helps
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Postby Alyakia » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:46 am

Aquophia wrote:
Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:When your idea of feminism is fucked up it's easy for you to make these kind of ignorant posts so I don't blame you too much.
I know what feminism is. Feminism is all about men being equal to men in political, economic, and social aspects of life. My examples in my original post do not fit that definition at all. No feminist ever says anything when those examples come up.

yes they do
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Postby Aquophia » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:47 am

Alyakia wrote:hey dawg just checking in as a sorta feminist to say i despise all these double standards and want them eliminated

feminism is not a single consistent ideology with a one true world view

hope that helps
Well then you are a true feminist and I respect you for that.

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Postby BlackMetal » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:48 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:I think you're confusing 'feminism' with 'some people who call themselves feminists'.


There's a difference?

That's like all of the sanctimonious Christians dismissing the zealots, hypocrites, and fiends as not being "true Christians".

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The next biggest one is that women don't make any money, so the man must pay for the date. Women have been using this one for far too long.


Women like the free dinners. In a lot of ways, it really brings out the best (honesty) in them. Never mind that it isn't so different from prostitution...
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Postby Imperial Parhe » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:48 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:I think you're confusing 'feminism' with 'some people who call themselves feminists'.

I do not think that is much of a problem in itself.
I mean, my main problem is Christianity, not because of what Christianity advocates(well, sometimes, but this is not the main reason), but because of what people who call themselves members of Christianity do and how they live.
Not saying that I agree with the OP but I do not think this itself, confusing feminism with some people who call themselves feminist, is a very bad thing to do.

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Postby Neo Arcad » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:51 am

BlackMetal wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I think you're confusing 'feminism' with 'some people who call themselves feminists'.


There's a difference?

That's like all of the sanctimonious Christians dismissing the zealots, hypocrites, and fiends as not being "true Christians".


Boom, headshot.
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Postby The Soviet Union of Mother Russia » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:51 am

Just draft all those Women hippies in the army, That would change their stupid minds and put them back in the kitchen where they belong <- Not expressing my Opinion about this subject, However its one funny line.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:52 am

BlackMetal wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I think you're confusing 'feminism' with 'some people who call themselves feminists'.


There's a difference?

Yes.

That's like all of the sanctimonious Christians dismissing the zealots, hypocrites, and fiends as not being "true Christians".

I don't have a problem with that, if people's beliefs can be shown to be inconsistent with an ideology they claim to adhere to then I would say that there is certainly a case to be made that they aren't at all what they say they are.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:53 am

Aquophia wrote:No feminist ever says anything when those examples come up.
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Aye they do
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Postby BlackMetal » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:53 am

The Soviet Union of Mother Russia wrote:Just draft all those Women hippies in the army, That would change their stupid minds and put them back in the kitchen where they belong <- Not expressing my Opinion about this subject, However its one funny line.


Also, make them pay for their own damn meals.
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Postby Sugara » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:54 am

Aquophia wrote:I have nothing against women and I do believe in gender equality, which is why these things about feminsim bug me.

Feminists like to cherry pick the sexist ideas that benefit them. The biggest one being that women are always inferior to men in physical combat, therefore its the man's fault even if the woman started the fight by hitting first. If feminists say that women should serve in combat roles such as the military, then they should also be able to hold their own in a fight. Anything less is gender discrimination.

The next biggest one is that women don't make any money, so the man must pay for the date. Women have been using this one for far too long. Even in a time when more women are going to college than men, they still see this as a customary rule to dating. Dont they see that it is strongly implying that they can't even support themselves without a man? This idea was probably relevant back in the middle ages when women couldnt get jobs, but in this day and age, I don't see a need for it. It's fair and equal to split the pay.

My final example is the idea that women are somehow entitled to be rescued first. Who is usually the first to go in hostage situations? Women and children. What makes a woman more entitled to rescue than a man? I thought there was supposed to be an equal playing field with feminists, but now that you are in danger, you are playing the "im jsut a frail little lady." card.

It's double standards like above that make it hard to take feminism seriously. If women really want to be equal to men, they have to let go of sexist traditional ideas that make them unequal. You cant preach equality and hold onto ideas like this at the same time.



Welcome, you have just invented the strawman!

You'll notice that active (radical) feminists actually despise and reject these 'positive discrimination' old fashioned courtesy kind of things.
The wider public still clings to these notions, as they are part of a long cultural tradition that doesn't just die overnight, but I'm quite convinced that
these practices are starting to dissappear rapidly.

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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:54 am

The Soviet Union of Mother Russia wrote: However its one funny line.


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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:55 am

The Soviet Union of Mother Russia wrote:Just draft all those Women hippies in the army, That would change their stupid minds and put them back in the kitchen where they belong <- Not expressing my Opinion about this subject, However its one funny line.

you really think that's funny? come on, there are some versions of the kitchen meme that actually work, but that's just pathetic.

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Postby The Soviet Union of Mother Russia » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:56 am

Free Soviets wrote:
The Soviet Union of Mother Russia wrote:Just draft all those Women hippies in the army, That would change their stupid minds and put them back in the kitchen where they belong <- Not expressing my Opinion about this subject, However its one funny line.

you really think that's funny? come on, there are some versions of the kitchen meme that actually work, but that's just pathetic.


Alright, You want to have '' Women belongs in the kitchen '' Joke stand off, Then so be it. Make your best shot.

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