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by Provosa » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:24 am
by Krakosov » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:26 am
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by The Aryan Nations » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:26 am
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:The reason I say Jewish and Christian is because I'm beggining to understand that Islam also has an Adam and Eve. Anyway, this is something that has been bothering me for a while now. When Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, which language did they speak? After the tower of Babel, did the language that broke off remain the same for some people whilst others got a new language or did everyone get new languages? I looked it up on the net and it said it was Hebrew but I asked my grandfather who told me that according to the scriptures it is Arabic but no one knows, and I have only ever asked a hand full of Orthodox Christians (my religion) who told me that noone has any way of knowing. Anyway, please contribute! Also, if you do NOT belive the bible, please do not spam this thread. Feel free to post your belifes once. This is not a Christian and Jew vs Non-Christian and Non-Jew thread so please do not turn it into one! Thanks and happy discussing!
by Free Soviets » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:31 am
Provosa wrote:The Christian genesis can be interpreted as if the speech of Adam and Eve were proto-linguistic or simply "voicing". By that I mean there was no difference between word and thing. After eating from the tree of knowledge, demand exceeded need and they developed phonemic speech. I will not speculate the exact language -- the importance of the myth is that language shifts from proto-language to phonemic language.
Phonemic language allows for silly wordplay and rhyme and such that pre-Tree wisdom did not avail. Yet at the same time, it allows the expression of more concepts than before, that were originally unecessary to the vocabulary. Man decided that God's commands were not as plentifully adequate as He thought, and sought to create their own world and their own tongues over time. The little details tend to just rape the meaning and essene of the Christian doctrine and other faiths as well.
by The Rich Port » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:35 am
by Farnhamia » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:36 am
Free Soviets wrote:Provosa wrote:The Christian genesis can be interpreted as if the speech of Adam and Eve were proto-linguistic or simply "voicing". By that I mean there was no difference between word and thing. After eating from the tree of knowledge, demand exceeded need and they developed phonemic speech. I will not speculate the exact language -- the importance of the myth is that language shifts from proto-language to phonemic language.
Phonemic language allows for silly wordplay and rhyme and such that pre-Tree wisdom did not avail. Yet at the same time, it allows the expression of more concepts than before, that were originally unecessary to the vocabulary. Man decided that God's commands were not as plentifully adequate as He thought, and sought to create their own world and their own tongues over time. The little details tend to just rape the meaning and essene of the Christian doctrine and other faiths as well.
your copy of genesis is clearly much more detailed than mine
by The Rich Port » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:40 am
Buenia wrote:It's not really known, however there have been some in the past who thought maybe they spoke Hebrew, given how the Jews were God's chosen people.
by Kalaspia-Shimarata » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:42 am
Buenia wrote:It's not really known, however there have been some in the past who thought maybe they spoke Hebrew, given how the Jews were God's chosen people.
by Farnhamia » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:46 am
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Buenia wrote:It's not really known, however there have been some in the past who thought maybe they spoke Hebrew, given how the Jews were God's chosen people.
The hebrews were gods chosen people because they belived in him. Say for example now, the greeks spoke greek and the romans spoke latin and Adam and Eve spoke latin, but the Greeks worshiped God, the greeks would have been God's chosen people because they worshiped him...despite the fact the romans spoke his language
by The Aryan Nations » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:47 am
The Rich Port wrote:Seeing as how God is, in fact, omnipotent in the Christian and Hebrew religions, I like to think that Adam and Eve were so dumb that they couldn't speak, so God communicated with them through telepathy and just beamed what he wanted them to do into their brains.
The Devil, with similar powers of non-verbal persuasion, then tempted their dumb asses with counter-telepathy.
Then again, Adam and Eve would have to have been monkey-ish, so I wouldn't blame them as much if they weren't born with fully functional human brains.
by The Aryan Nations » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:48 am
Buenia wrote:It's not really known, however there have been some in the past who thought maybe they spoke Hebrew, given how the Jews were God's chosen people.
by The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:50 am
Desperate Measures wrote:As much as you may try to ignore it, it is true. They spoke Muslimish.
by Sarkhaan » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:52 am
The bold is the important part of the story? Really?Provosa wrote:The Christian genesis can be interpreted as if the speech of Adam and Eve were proto-linguistic or simply "voicing". By that I mean there was no difference between word and thing. After eating from the tree of knowledge, demand exceeded need and they developed phonemic speech. I will not speculate the exact language -- the importance of the myth is that language shifts from proto-language to phonemic language.
Phonemic language allows for silly wordplay and rhyme and such that pre-Tree wisdom did not avail. Yet at the same time, it allows the expression of more concepts than before, that were originally unecessary to the vocabulary. Man decided that God's commands were not as plentifully adequate as He thought, and sought to create their own world and their own tongues over time.
by The Rich Port » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:54 am
The Aryan Nations wrote:The Rich Port wrote:Seeing as how God is, in fact, omnipotent in the Christian and Hebrew religions, I like to think that Adam and Eve were so dumb that they couldn't speak, so God communicated with them through telepathy and just beamed what he wanted them to do into their brains.
The Devil, with similar powers of non-verbal persuasion, then tempted their dumb asses with counter-telepathy.
Then again, Adam and Eve would have to have been monkey-ish, so I wouldn't blame them as much if they weren't born with fully functional human brains.
Satan sees naked, willing, thought slave in a garden. teaches critical thinking.
Sarkhaan wrote:The bold is the important part of the story? Really?Provosa wrote:The Christian genesis can be interpreted as if the speech of Adam and Eve were proto-linguistic or simply "voicing". By that I mean there was no difference between word and thing. After eating from the tree of knowledge, demand exceeded need and they developed phonemic speech. I will not speculate the exact language -- the importance of the myth is that language shifts from proto-language to phonemic language.
Phonemic language allows for silly wordplay and rhyme and such that pre-Tree wisdom did not avail. Yet at the same time, it allows the expression of more concepts than before, that were originally unecessary to the vocabulary. Man decided that God's commands were not as plentifully adequate as He thought, and sought to create their own world and their own tongues over time.
And no, a protolanguage without word symbolism (one cannot "name" something without having the ability to form some level of abstraction) would not make sense in the story, as "good", "evil", and "knowledge" are all abstract concepts that would not be able to be understood by simply "voicing".
by Farnhamia » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:56 am
Sarkhaan wrote:The bold is the important part of the story? Really?Provosa wrote:The Christian genesis can be interpreted as if the speech of Adam and Eve were proto-linguistic or simply "voicing". By that I mean there was no difference between word and thing. After eating from the tree of knowledge, demand exceeded need and they developed phonemic speech. I will not speculate the exact language -- the importance of the myth is that language shifts from proto-language to phonemic language.
Phonemic language allows for silly wordplay and rhyme and such that pre-Tree wisdom did not avail. Yet at the same time, it allows the expression of more concepts than before, that were originally unecessary to the vocabulary. Man decided that God's commands were not as plentifully adequate as He thought, and sought to create their own world and their own tongues over time.
And no, a protolanguage without word symbolism (one cannot "name" something without having the ability to form some level of abstraction) would not make sense in the story, as "good", "evil", and "knowledge" are all abstract concepts that would not be able to be understood by simply "voicing".
by Sarkhaan » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:56 am
Free Soviets wrote:Provosa wrote:The Christian genesis can be interpreted as if the speech of Adam and Eve were proto-linguistic or simply "voicing". By that I mean there was no difference between word and thing. After eating from the tree of knowledge, demand exceeded need and they developed phonemic speech. I will not speculate the exact language -- the importance of the myth is that language shifts from proto-language to phonemic language.
Phonemic language allows for silly wordplay and rhyme and such that pre-Tree wisdom did not avail. Yet at the same time, it allows the expression of more concepts than before, that were originally unecessary to the vocabulary. Man decided that God's commands were not as plentifully adequate as He thought, and sought to create their own world and their own tongues over time. The little details tend to just rape the meaning and essene of the Christian doctrine and other faiths as well.
your copy of genesis is clearly much more detailed than mine
by Provosa » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:57 am
by Cruciland » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:03 am
Socialdemokraterne wrote:If the absence of secularism wasn't enough to scare our people, the rate of which the doomsday button is pressed by them sure settled the matter.
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Cruciland, I just want to say, your nation is frightening.
The Inevitable Syndicate wrote:My advice to you, dear Gordano-Lysandus, is to run. Or hide. Maybe not hiding, because the Crucilandians will find you, and by their god, you will be assimilated.
by Chinese Regions » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:03 am
by Sarkhaan » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:04 am
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:The reason I say Jewish and Christian is because I'm beggining to understand that Islam also has an Adam and Eve. Anyway, this is something that has been bothering me for a while now. When Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, which language did they speak? After the tower of Babel, did the language that broke off remain the same for some people whilst others got a new language or did everyone get new languages? I looked it up on the net and it said it was Hebrew but I asked my grandfather who told me that according to the scriptures it is Arabic but no one knows, and I have only ever asked a hand full of Orthodox Christians (my religion) who told me that noone has any way of knowing. Anyway, please contribute! Also, if you do NOT belive the bible, please do not spam this thread. Feel free to post your belifes once. This is not a Christian and Jew vs Non-Christian and Non-Jew thread so please do not turn it into one! Thanks and happy discussing!
by Chinese Regions » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:05 am
The Rich Port wrote:Seeing as how God is, in fact, omnipotent in the Christian and Hebrew religions, I like to think that Adam and Eve were so dumb that they couldn't speak, so God communicated with them through telepathy and just beamed what he wanted them to do into their brains.
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