Australasia

[Spiral Sun]

Who supports a union between Australia, New Zealand, and perhaps some other islands in the area? If the discussion looks promising I may put up a poll.

[Lackadaisical2]

I want to see Australia take its rightful place in the Region and conquer all the Islands between it and mainland Asia, as well as the South Pacific. (this country will later be incorporated as the 'Oceanic Territory' in the Presidential Republic of Greater America)

[Kirrig]

Who supports a union between Australia, New Zealand, and perhaps some other islands in the area? If the discussion looks promising I may put up a poll.

As long as we keep separate sports teams and have devolved parliaments... yeah.

[Spiral Sun]

I want to see Australia take its rightful place in the Region and conquer all the Islands between it and mainland Asia, as well as the South Pacific. (this country will later be incorporated as the 'Oceanic Territory' in the Presidential Republic of Greater America)

Indonesia has 230,000,000 people. The Philippines have 100,000,000 people. Australia has 22,000,000 people. Yah.....

[Spiral Sun]

Who supports a union between Australia, New Zealand, and perhaps some other islands in the area? If the discussion looks promising I may put up a poll.

As long as we keep separate sports teams and have devolved parliaments... yeah.

Including during the Olympics? Would you accept an ANZAC with a monetary union?

[GreaterPacificNations]

Australia could be a global powerbroker if it controlled more of the South Pacific and tripled it's population. We should lift Immigration quotas and come the next cyclone or earthquake send the Australian Army to NZ and the pacific Islands to help with humanitarian aid. After the disaster has passed, we stay because the Australian Army needs to help with the humanitarian crisis in these countries, with the purpose of building better infrastructure. Months become years, years become decades. As Australia spends more and more upgrading these backwaters, Australians will feel better and better about demanding concessions from them. At the same time, dissolve trade and transit barriers between the nations. Eventually independence groups will seem silly, as they enjoy a greatly improved standard of living post-Australia's South Pacific Development Scheme.

[GreaterPacificNations]

As long as we keep separate sports teams and have devolved parliaments... yeah.

Including during the Olympics? Would you accept an ANZAC with a monetary union?

Oh yeah, we could bring back the Anzacs. That could be the official name for our standing army.

[Lackadaisical2]

I want to see Australia take its rightful place in the Region and conquer all the Islands between it and mainland Asia, as well as the South Pacific. (this country will later be incorporated as the 'Oceanic Territory' in the Presidential Republic of Greater America)

Indonesia has 230,000,000 people. The Philippines have 100,000,000 people. Australia has 22,000,000 people. Yah.....

Naturally they'll have to be rehabilitated into Australians before they get the vote. They'll learn things like drinking, cockroach races and how to put on a proper barbeque and identify poisonous animals.

[Spiral Sun]

Australia could be a global powerbroker if it controlled more of the South Pacific and tripled it's population. We should lift Immigration quotas and come the next cyclone or earthquake send the Australian Army to NZ and the pacific Islands to help with humanitarian aid. After the disaster has passed, we stay because the Australian Army needs to help with the humanitarian crisis in these countries, with the purpose of building better infrastructure. Months become years, years become decades. As Australia spends more and more upgrading these backwaters, Australians will feel better and better about demanding concessions from them. At the same time, dissolve trade and transit barriers between the nations. Eventually independence groups will seem silly, as they enjoy a greatly improved standard of living post-Australia's South Pacific Development Scheme.

Please keep in mind that I am refering to Australasia, not Australia. Would do no good to offend the New Zealanders too much.

[Australasia]

Ahem ahem *points to nation name*.

I wholly support the unification of Australia and New Zealand into one nation called Australasia. I don't think there's a need for a new government level - New Zealand would become a state like New South Wales (whose population is larger than NZ's), Victoria, etc. Perhaps since New Zealand has been an independent country for so long, NZ should receive more seats in the Senate - perhaps 20 (each Australian state currently has 12, each territory 2).

New Zealand would keep institutions, etc which are of symbolic national importance of course.

Indeed New Zealand nearly did become the 8th state about a century ago during the federation discussions but declined due to the vastness of the Tasman sea and continental delegates' insistence on a centralized system of government.

So:
1. NZ becomes the 8th state
2. Australia is renamed Australasia
3. The Constitution is amended to move powers away from the federal government to the states.

[New Bazlantis]

Australia could be a global powerbroker if it controlled more of the South Pacific and tripled it's population. We should lift Immigration quotas and come the next cyclone or earthquake send the Australian Army to NZ and the pacific Islands to help with humanitarian aid. After the disaster has passed, we stay because the Australian Army needs to help with the humanitarian crisis in these countries, with the purpose of building better infrastructure. Months become years, years become decades. As Australia spends more and more upgrading these backwaters, Australians will feel better and better about demanding concessions from them. At the same time, dissolve trade and transit barriers between the nations. Eventually independence groups will seem silly, as they enjoy a greatly improved standard of living post-Australia's South Pacific Development Scheme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo6fgZ-dbOw

I like your thinking...

[GreaterPacificNations]

Please keep in mind that I am refering to Australasia, not Australia. Would do no good to offend the New Zealanders too much.

D-don't offend the Kiwis?

[Spiral Sun]

Please keep in mind that I am refering to Australasia, not Australia. Would do no good to offend the New Zealanders too much.

D-don't offend the Kiwis?

Four and a half million people is nothing to sneaze at, especially considering how Australia only has twenty two million of it's own. Australasia is the geograpic term for both of them.

[GreaterPacificNations]

Ahem ahem *points to nation name*.

I wholly support the unification of Australia and New Zealand into one nation called Australasia. I don't think there's a need for a new government level - New Zealand would become a state like New South Wales (whose population is larger than NZ's), Victoria, etc. Perhaps since New Zealand has been an independent country for so long, NZ should receive more seats in the Senate - perhaps 20 (each Australian state currently has 12, each territory 2).

New Zealand would keep institutions, etc which are of symbolic national importance of course.

Indeed New Zealand nearly did become the 8th state about a century ago during the federation discussions but declined due to the vastness of the Tasman sea and continental delegates' insistence on a centralized system of government.

So:
1. NZ becomes the 8th state
2. Australia is renamed Australasia
3. The Constitution is amended to move powers away from the federal government to the states.

Waitangi. That was the main reason. The Australian constitution and it's disregard for the indigenous of Australia was incompatible with the treaty of Waitangi and the measures it afforded the Maori.

[Meowfoundland]

Nope. As someone who wants Australia to break up (even just a little), the idea of an Australasian Union is just bad.

[GreaterPacificNations]

Four and a half million people is nothing to sneaze at, especially considering how Australia only has twenty two million of it's own. Australasia is the geograpic term for both of them.

Yet, those four and a half million people don't even have an air force. They sold it to us. Also, they are terrible at sport. Plus the craphouse economy.

lol, not that it is all a serious suggestion, but if it was war with NZ, the way to go would be blockading them. Their economy is dependent on tourism. Australia has the means to stop all planes and ships from coming and going there. One year later Australia would approach Wellington with a peace treaty, stating that the disagreement had gone far enough and they would like to put it behind them. The terms of this treaty would heavily in Australia's favour. If we are so lucky that they refuse, then we storm them. In each case NZ could be painted as the obstinate one, Australia as reasonable, and the whole blockade as a trade dispute.

[Spiral Sun]

Ahem ahem *points to nation name*.

I wholly support the unification of Australia and New Zealand into one nation called Australasia. I don't think there's a need for a new government level - New Zealand would become a state like New South Wales (whose population is larger than NZ's), Victoria, etc. Perhaps since New Zealand has been an independent country for so long, NZ should receive more seats in the Senate - perhaps 20 (each Australian state currently has 12, each territory 2).

New Zealand would keep institutions, etc which are of symbolic national importance of course.

Indeed New Zealand nearly did become the 8th state about a century ago during the federation discussions but declined due to the vastness of the Tasman sea and continental delegates' insistence on a centralized system of government.

So:
1. NZ becomes the 8th state
2. Australia is renamed Australasia
3. The Constitution is amended to move powers away from the federal government to the states.

Waitangi. That was the main reason. The Australian constitution and it's disregard for the indigenous of Australia was incompatible with the treaty of Waitangi and the measures it afforded the Maori.

True. Perhaps there should also be some Maori representatives to the unified legislature. That or rename the whole area Greater Aotearoa.

[Kirrig]

Four and a half million people is nothing to sneaze at, especially considering how Australia only has twenty two million of it's own. Australasia is the geograpic term for both of them.

Yet, those four and a half million people don't even have an air force. They sold it to us. Also, they are terrible at sport. Plus the craphouse economy.

lol, not that it is all a serious suggestion, but if it was war with NZ, the way to go would be blockading them. Their economy is dependent on tourism. Australia has the means to stop all planes and ships from coming and going there. One year later Australia would approach Wellington with a peace treaty, stating that the disagreement had gone far enough and they would like to put it behind them. The terms of this treaty would heavily in Australia's favour. If we are so lucky that they refuse, then we storm them. In each case NZ could be painted as the obstinate one, Australia as reasonable, and the whole blockade as a trade dispute.

Auckland is the fifth largest city remember...

[Kirrig]

Waitangi. That was the main reason. The Australian constitution and it's disregard for the indigenous of Australia was incompatible with the treaty of Waitangi and the measures it afforded the Maori.

True. Perhaps there should also be some Maori representatives to the unified legislature. That or rename the whole area Greater Aotearoa.

Never! The name... and the earlier suggestion would be a continuation of the Maori Seats.

[Creative Vikings]

I don't think everyone would agree with Australasia. Go with someting Orwellian, like Oceana

Australia could be a global powerbroker if it controlled more of the South Pacific and tripled it's population. We should lift Immigration quotas and come the next cyclone or earthquake send the Australian Army to NZ and the pacific Islands to help with humanitarian aid. After the disaster has passed, we stay because the Australian Army needs to help with the humanitarian crisis in these countries, with the purpose of building better infrastructure. Months become years, years become decades. As Australia spends more and more upgrading these backwaters, Australians will feel better and better about demanding concessions from them. At the same time, dissolve trade and transit barriers between the nations. Eventually independence groups will seem silly, as they enjoy a greatly improved standard of living post-Australia's South Pacific Development Scheme.

We don't need humanatarian aid!
And what's more backwater than the outback?
And what does Australia want with few million of what are essentially the same people as they are, with a more casual, slacker, less-whiney accent and 70 thousand odd descendants of Taiwanese?

Four and a half million people is nothing to sneaze at, especially considering how Australia only has twenty two million of it's own. Australasia is the geograpic term for both of them.

Yet, those four and a half million people don't even have an air force. They sold it to us. Also, they are terrible at sport. Plus the craphouse economy.

lol, not that it is all a serious suggestion, but if it was war with NZ, the way to go would be blockading them. Their economy is dependent on tourism. Australia has the means to stop all planes and ships from coming and going there. One year later Australia would approach Wellington with a peace treaty, stating that the disagreement had gone far enough and they would like to put it behind them. The terms of this treaty would heavily in Australia's favour. If we are so lucky that they refuse, then we storm them. In each case NZ could be painted as the obstinate one, Australia as reasonable, and the whole blockade as a trade dispute.

Terrible at sport? What country are you from?!

D-don't offend the Kiwis?

Four and a half million people is nothing to sneaze at, especially considering how Australia only has twenty two million of it's own. Australasia is the geograpic term for both of them.

Four and a half million people is still a lot, you mathematically oblivios sentient

And you're forgetting a few other places in Australasia

[GreaterPacificNations]

Chill out footrot flats.
<- Check the flag and learn the history of your big brother.

[Creative Vikings]

I approve of a union with Aussie so close, we may as well be one country. I won't approve if we're forced to be a bitch for the US in warzoness, I will pick my own wars. Shooting people in ghost blankets isn't really fun.

Chill out footrot flats.
<- Check the flag and learn the history of your big brother.

My big brither? Which brother? William of Jack?

And the flag with the union jack in the corner was common amongst ALL colonies

[Kirrig]

The way to do it is UK style. Devolution on matters of education and warmongering.

Olympics, not so sure. But other sports separate.

[GreaterPacificNations]

And the flag with the union jack in the corner was common amongst ALL colonies

It's the flag of the Eureka stockade, when a force of miners roughly the size of the modern New Zealand army rose up against the colonial government of Victoria.

[Spiral Sun]

I approve of a union with Aussie so close, we may as well be one country. I won't approve if we're forced to be a bitch for the US in warzoness, I will pick my own wars. Shooting people in ghost blankets isn't really fun.

Chill out footrot flats.
<- Check the flag and learn the history of your big brother.

My big brither? Which brother? William of Jack?

And the flag with the union jack in the corner was common amongst ALL colonies

The Australians and New Zealanders do that by choice, as they discovered with the World Wars that the British only took ships and men and would never send any back when asked, for defense against the Japanese.