It's about time women are punished for false rape claims

[Smunkeeville]

You are seriously comparing how others might judge you... with how it feels to have been sexually violated?

It's not at all on the same level, but I do feel that some posters are trivializing it. It may not nearly be as traumatic as violation, but it's also not nothing.

Breaking your leg is also "not nothing" but it's also not the "same as being raped".

I agree that someone being falsely accused of something sucks. I know a man who was falsely accused of sexual harassment. While he was found not guilty (he wasn't even at work that day to "corner her in the break room and proposition her") his co-workers still look at him differently. While that sucks for him, he would NEVER compare it to being raped. Possibly though because he's married to someone who has been raped and he knows the difference.

[Ashmoria]

they are two very different crimes.

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Of course society has sympathy for victims of real rape, but not much sympathy for those falsely accused of committing it.

no

just

no.

yes,

If that man is innocent, but sent to prison for several years, his life is down the toilet. He isn't going to find a job, he will never settle down with a family. His whole life fucked up, he won't be able to pursue his dreams.

He will be scarred just like a woman raped, for life.

going back to the original post that i was responding to...

being figuratively raped can never be the same as being literally raped.

being verbally beaten up can never be the same as being literally beaten up.

having your dignity stolen can never be the same as having your car stolen.

to suggest that the penalty for falsely charging rape should be the same as the penalty for committing rape because the person who is falsely accused is being "fucked" is to deny reality. it is a not-so-clever use of words to deny the horror of rape.

no one in this thread suggested that it should be open season on men, that filing false charges shouldnt be punished, that no woman could ever be so foolish as to committ this particular crime, that it is so trivial a crime that there should be no penalty for it.

it should be punished the same way that any other false accusation is punished.

[Geniasis]

Breaking your leg is also "not nothing" but it's also not the "same as being raped".

I agree that someone being falsely accused of something sucks. I know a man who was falsely accused of sexual harassment. While he was found not guilty (he wasn't even at work that day to "corner her in the break room and proposition her") his co-workers still look at him differently. While that sucks for him, he would NEVER compare it to being raped. Possibly though because he's married to someone who has been raped and he knows the difference.

I know. I just said it's in no way comparable. I know you're not intending this at all, but it comes of as any acknowledgment that being falsely accused can wreak havoc with someone's life in a way that can be irreparable means that I'm comparing it to actually being raped, even if I explicity said it wasn't comparable.

[Greed and Death]

what I wonder is should we punish someone make a false claim, about a woman making a false claim of rape.

[Baltija]

Would you rather someone accused you of rape, or that they raped you?

I'd get over a rape a lot faster than I'd get over people in my community and family believing that I was a rapist.

I am at loss of words...

[New Hayesalia]

Problem is, some people might still believe that he's a rapist.
The woman needs to make some sort of public apology, it's what happens.

[Greed and Death]

Problem is, some people might still believe that he's a rapist.
The woman needs to make some sort of public apology, it's what happens.

And if she really was raped, and the jury just bought his story, or he got off because she waited too long to get a rape kit done.

I could never dream of formalizing such an apology process.
I have had friends accused of rape, yeah there is a social stigma that follows them.
And while I am 99% certain He is in fact innocent, that 1% chance I may be mistake about his behavior says it is none of my damned business to even thinking of asking for a public apology.

[Grave_n_idle]

Problem is, some people might still believe that he's a rapist.
The woman needs to make some sort of public apology, it's what happens.

And if she really was raped, and the jury just bought his story, or he got off because she waited too long to get a rape kit done.

I could never dream of formalizing such an apology process.
I have had friends accused of rape, yeah there is a social stigma that follows them.
And while I am 99% certain He is in fact innocent, that 1% chance I may be mistake about his behavior says it is none of my damned business to even thinking of asking for a public apology.

Exactly.

Can you imagine compelling the victim to apologise if the claim was true?

[Greed and Death]

Problem is, some people might still believe that he's a rapist.
The woman needs to make some sort of public apology, it's what happens.

And if she really was raped, and the jury just bought his story, or he got off because she waited too long to get a rape kit done.

I could never dream of formalizing such an apology process.
I have had friends accused of rape, yeah there is a social stigma that follows them.
And while I am 99% certain He is in fact innocent, that 1% chance I may be mistake about his behavior says it is none of my damned business to even thinking of asking for a public apology.

Exactly.

Can you imagine compelling the victim to apologise if the claim was true?

Besides we already have a system that deals with false rape claims.
It is called filing a false police report.
The reason so few are pursued is the same standard of evidence that protected the person accused of rape also protects the one making the accusation, when investigated for a false police report.

[Smunkeeville]

Breaking your leg is also "not nothing" but it's also not the "same as being raped".

I agree that someone being falsely accused of something sucks. I know a man who was falsely accused of sexual harassment. While he was found not guilty (he wasn't even at work that day to "corner her in the break room and proposition her") his co-workers still look at him differently. While that sucks for him, he would NEVER compare it to being raped. Possibly though because he's married to someone who has been raped and he knows the difference.

I know. I just said it's in no way comparable. I know you're not intending this at all, but it comes of as any acknowledgment that being falsely accused can wreak havoc with someone's life in a way that can be irreparable means that I'm comparing it to actually being raped, even if I explicity said it wasn't comparable.

I read this like 8 times. I have no fucking clue what you are saying. Please restate.

[Geniasis]

I read this like 8 times. I have no fucking clue what you are saying. Please restate.

K.

*ahem*

Yes, I do understand that being accused of rape--despite all of the negative and often irreparable effects it can have one one's life--is in no way comparable to actually being raped. I stated as much at the beginning of my post.

That said, it seems like if I claim that being accused of rape sucks, it's somehow instead seen as an attempt to equate the two, even I explicitly said that it wasn't.

'zat better?

[Smunkeeville]

I read this like 8 times. I have no fucking clue what you are saying. Please restate.

K.

*ahem*

Yes, I do understand that being accused of rape--despite all of the negative and often irreparable effects it can have one one's life--is in no way comparable to actually being raped. I stated as much at the beginning of my post.

That said, it seems like if I claim that being accused of rape sucks, it's somehow instead seen as an attempt to equate the two, even I explicitly said that it wasn't.

'zat better?

Much. I think we agree.

[Geniasis]

Much. I think we agree.

No idea why it came out so garbled the first time. Anyway I'm a little confused so let me see if you agree with this statement.

"Being accused of a violent sexual crime sucks, and it is terrible and unfortunate for those whose reputations and lives are forever ruined by a false accusation, and it is a hardship that should be duly noted. However, horrible as it may be, it is still in no way comparable to the trauma and horror experienced by a person who has actually been raped."

I think we're on the same page, but I'm just making sure.

[Intangelon]

Much. I think we agree.

No idea why it came out so garbled the first time. Anyway I'm a little confused so let me see if you agree with this statement.

"Being accused of a violent sexual crime sucks, and it is terrible and unfortunate for those whose reputations and lives are forever ruined by a false accusation, and it is a hardship that should be duly noted. However, horrible as it may be, it is still in no way comparable to the trauma and horror experienced by a person who has actually been raped."

I think we're on the same page, but I'm just making sure.

Hiddenrun's having the same problem -- he never said a drunk woman deserved to get raped. He came close with that "like every woman drunk off her ass on Friday night" comment (or whatever it was), but the nature of his posts have sometimes been close enough to misinterpretability to have exactly that happen to them. He's off his nut with his comparison between a false allegation and actually being raped, but he should not be subjected to some of the assumptions being levied at him in this thread.

Of course, the OP question has been settled already, but this is NSG, after all. The punishment should be what it already is, and the one person in (what was Bottle's statistic?) 80,000 who will be successfully falsely accused should get a better wife, better friends and a church that practices what it preaches.

[Ryadn]

Problem is, some people might still believe that he's a rapist.
The woman needs to make some sort of public apology, it's what happens.

And if she really was raped, and the jury just bought his story, or he got off because she waited too long to get a rape kit done.

I could never dream of formalizing such an apology process.
I have had friends accused of rape, yeah there is a social stigma that follows them.
And while I am 99% certain He is in fact innocent, that 1% chance I may be mistake about his behavior says it is none of my damned business to even thinking of asking for a public apology.

Exactly.

Can you imagine compelling the victim to apologise if the claim was true?

Besides we already have a system that deals with false rape claims.
It is called filing a false police report.
The reason so few are pursued is the same standard of evidence that protected the person accused of rape also protects the one making the accusation, when investigated for a false police report.

Never have we been in more agreement.

[Smunkeeville]

Much. I think we agree.

No idea why it came out so garbled the first time. Anyway I'm a little confused so let me see if you agree with this statement.

"Being accused of a violent sexual crime sucks, and it is terrible and unfortunate for those whose reputations and lives are forever ruined by a false accusation, and it is a hardship that should be duly noted. However, horrible as it may be, it is still in no way comparable to the trauma and horror experienced by a person who has actually been raped."

I think we're on the same page, but I'm just making sure.

Sounds like we're on the same page.

[Hiddenrun]

On this we agree. Your revisionism is weak.

Nothing like belligerently insisting I hold views I don't. I'm sure you'd go apeshit all over Moderation if I did the same to you. Typical liberal hypocrisy.

[Bitchkitten]

To the OP,
The rate of false reporting for rape is 2%, about the same as most other crimes. All people falsly reporting a crime should be punished. Why the focus on rape? Makes me wonder if you might be one of those guys who believes most rape reports are false and if she was wearing a short skirt or drunk she was asking for it. If this isn't so, you have my apologies.

[Grave_n_idle]

On this we agree. Your revisionism is weak.

Nothing like belligerently insisting I hold views I don't. I'm sure you'd go apeshit all over Moderation if I did the same to you. Typical liberal hypocrisy.

I find myself intensiely uncaring about you claims of hypocrisy... being, as they are, constructions of your own imagination.