It's about time women are punished for false rape claims

[Diamagra]

First: Why is rape such a special case? False accusation of fraud (e.g. tax fraud) can ruin your reputation too and make you lose your job.

Second: Why, in case of a false accusation, does only the mans reputation suffer? Did I miss something and being a whiny bitch untruly crying rape has become a legitimate activity with no impact on one's reputation?


There should be a penalty for false accusations, and my guess is, there is already. But seriously, why this obsession with rape?
And well, everybody who says the crime of rape is comparable to the crime of a false accusation... -->

[Taeshan]

First: Why is rape such a special case? False accusation of fraud (e.g. tax fraud) can ruin your reputation too and make you lose your job.

Second: Why, in case of a false accusation, does only the mans reputation suffer? Did I miss something and being a whiny bitch untruly crying rape has become a legitimate activity with no impact on one's reputation?


There should be a penalty for false accusations, and my guess is, there is already. But seriously, why this obsession with rape?
And well, everybody who says the crime of rape is comparable to the crime of a false accusation... -->

Exactly why this point is being brought up. Im in favor of punishment whoever is the guilty party in this matter. Women always get the better side and the benefit of the doubt.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Crying rape should be treated as the crime it is. I only hope that from now on, when a woman falsely cries rape, she not only faces criminal sanctions, but a hefty civil suit from the man whose name she's dragged through the mud.

You got that right. Should be jail and restitution. It also wastes the police's time.

[Grave_n_idle]

First: Why is rape such a special case? False accusation of fraud (e.g. tax fraud) can ruin your reputation too and make you lose your job.

Second: Why, in case of a false accusation, does only the mans reputation suffer? Did I miss something and being a whiny bitch untruly crying rape has become a legitimate activity with no impact on one's reputation?


There should be a penalty for false accusations, and my guess is, there is already. But seriously, why this obsession with rape?
And well, everybody who says the crime of rape is comparable to the crime of a false accusation... -->

Exactly why this point is being brought up. Im in favor of punishment whoever is the guilty party in this matter. Women always get the better side and the benefit of the doubt.

...and the worse side of the actually facing the risk of being raped.

[Phenia]

Women always get the better side and the benefit of the doubt.

Do you have anything to support this opinion you have? Any facts? Any studies? Statistics? Anything?

[Galloism]

Women always get the better side and the benefit of the doubt.

Do you have anything to support this opinion you have? Any facts? Any studies? Statistics? Anything?

I always thought that, in a court of law, the accused got the benefit of the doubt, whether male or female.

That's the idea, anyway.

[Tech-gnosis]

I believe I've already stated what I'd like to see. Criminal charges (filing a false claim, interfering with an investigation, whatever), and a civil suit for damages.

The problem is, most of these women probably won't really have any assets to satisfy a judgment in a civil suit. Having a portion of their wages garnished for a few years though, might send the message that you'd better be fucking serious when you cry rape.

Hmmm.... so lets see, if a woman reports a rape and the rapist is acquitted she'll be charged with filing false charges, ect and could be sued? Does that sound like a good thing?

[Theodoran]

they are two very different crimes.

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Of course society has sympathy for victims of real rape, but not much sympathy for those falsely accused of committing it.

old post by now, but please avoid being the perpectual victim, it's unfair and corrupt....

crying rape falsely whether your a woman or a man chould be 1-2 years, and a lot of community service, sometimes people say something, and when thier pride is at stake they go through with it, it's life..

and this benifit of the doubt thing... women don't have the upper hand, judges are trained to think better of rediculous stereotypes, men get raped, people should deal with it, it's the media stirring..

[Theodoran]

Innocent until proven guilty spring to mind..?

[Theodoran]

O and i can't believe you'd say at the beginning that MEN should have justice etc....

see above comments and review your sexist policy, people should be equal, you do something wrong, you get punished, irrelevant of sex...

[JuNii]

I believe I've already stated what I'd like to see. Criminal charges (filing a false claim, interfering with an investigation, whatever), and a civil suit for damages.

The problem is, most of these women probably won't really have any assets to satisfy a judgment in a civil suit. Having a portion of their wages garnished for a few years though, might send the message that you'd better be fucking serious when you cry rape.

Hmmm.... so lets see, if a woman reports a rape and the rapist is acquitted she'll be charged with filing false charges, ect and could be sued? Does that sound like a good thing?

because the accused is aquitted, that doesn't mean the victim filed a false report.

now if it's found out, during the investigation, that the 'victim' lied about the rape (to cover up say... an affair, or to 'teach' someone a lession... rare cases yes, but not impossible ones.) that is different than the accused being found 'not guilty'.

[Terraliberty]

This has happened recently to a friend of mine. His crazy ex wife cried rape after her latest drunken episode of trying to get him to come back to her.

The tests he had to go through to prove his innocence could practically be called rape themselves! Also, the fact is that MUD STICKS!

He's going to suffer all his life for what she's done and even now she's been caught out it's likely that she'll receive community service or maybe 6 weeks in prison at best. It should be far more!!

[Galloism]

because the accused is aquitted, that doesn't mean the victim filed a false report.

now if it's found out, during the investigation, that the 'victim' lied about the rape (to cover up say... an affair, or to 'teach' someone a lession... rare cases yes, but not impossible ones.) that is different than the accused being found 'not guilty'.

Indeed, what people seem to be overlooking is that both cases are supposed to be "beyond a reasonable doubt." This includes an entire investigation, possibly an indictment, a trial, etc. So, in the rare case a woman deliberately files a false report, the following sequence of events must occur:

Woman accuses man, files report.
Man is investigated.
Man is indicted.
Man faces trial.
Man is either convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, or acquitted.

Then, the woman would be investigated for filing a false report.
Woman is indicted.
Woman faces trial.
Woman must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have provided a false report, or be acquitted.

Thus, both can walk away acquitted or perhaps not even tried. The process, however, is meant to ensure that no one (hah, that's the idea) is wrongfully convicted of a crime they didn't commit.

[Tech-gnosis]

because the accused is aquitted, that doesn't mean the victim filed a false report.

True, it just seems like the logical conclusions to the OP.s premises.

now if it's found out, during the investigation, that the 'victim' lied about the rape (to cover up say... an affair, or to 'teach' someone a lession... rare cases yes, but not impossible ones.) that is different than the accused being found 'not guilty'.

Right, but this is rare, as you have stated. The OP implied that there is an epidemic of false rape charges, that far too few false rape accusers are prosecuted, and that the charges are too lenient.

[Terraliberty]

because the accused is aquitted, that doesn't mean the victim filed a false report.

It probably does though. It's pretty easy to prove or disprove a rape charge.

I think we're talking about the women who cry rape knowing it won't stick but doing it to destroy someones life in the knowledge they likely won't be punished for their own crime. That's why the system has to change!

[Tech-gnosis]

[It probably does though. It's pretty easy to prove or disprove a rape charge.

How is it easy?

[Ravea]

i guess it depends on how far it goes.

a high-profile trial and a year or so in jail seems right.

Are you serious? The punishment should be similar to the punishment of the accused crime.

Not getting raped and lying about it is much, much less of a crime than actually raping somebody. The first is NOWHERE near the second.

I'd agree with Ashmoria; a few years in jail, perhaps, but nothing close to an actual rape jail time-a time which should be doubled, tripled, or indefinite in my mind.

[Ravea]

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Uh...no. One's an actual assault. Come on.

Unless the woman is actually seriously injured during the assault, you cannot claim that rape is so incredibly worse than what happens to someone who is falsely accused of rape. Men have lost their jobs, their livelihoods, their families, their standing in the community because of false allegations. You honestly think that rape is so much worse than that?

Yes. Far, far, far worse.

[Dakini]

now if it's found out, during the investigation, that the 'victim' lied about the rape (to cover up say... an affair, or to 'teach' someone a lession... rare cases yes, but not impossible ones.) that is different than the accused being found 'not guilty'.

Right, but this is rare, as you have stated. The OP implied that there is an epidemic of false rape charges, that far too few false rape accusers are prosecuted, and that the charges are too lenient.

Actually, the bolded is true of actual rape... funnily enough. Of the reported rapes, a very low percentage make it to trial and a significantly lower percentage of those trials result in a conviction. In addition, most rapes aren't even reported.

[JuNii]

Right, but this is rare, as you have stated. The OP implied that there is an epidemic of false rape charges, that far too few false rape accusers are prosecuted, and that the charges are too lenient.

well... that's for the op to try to defend.

I gave my opinion as to what should be tacked on to all forms of false accusations.

[JuNii]

because the accused is aquitted, that doesn't mean the victim filed a false report.

It probably does though. It's pretty easy to prove or disprove a rape charge.

I think we're talking about the women who cry rape knowing it won't stick but doing it to destroy someones life in the knowledge they likely won't be punished for their own crime. That's why the system has to change!

if it is 'pretty easy' then they won't even get to trial.

that being said, if they don't go to trial, then the accused cannot be 'aquitted'.

thus it's still "being found not guilty does NOT mean a false report was filed."

[Dakini]

because the accused is aquitted, that doesn't mean the victim filed a false report.

It probably does though. It's pretty easy to prove or disprove a rape charge.

No it doesn't. A woman says she went to a bar, had two drinks and woke up passed out in a hotel room. She discovers she was raped, goes into the hospital gets the appropriate examination, the hospital staff call the police an investigation ensues, she maybe remembers a man talking to her before blacking out, the police look into him and so on... however, it's revealed during the trial by the defense attorney that the rape victim has a long list of past lovers and is prone to drinking heavily so clearly she must have consented to sex with this man because this is what she does and she must have invented the story about blacking out.

Or perhaps a couple is on a date. They've been seeing each other for a while, perhaps they had sex in the past but for whatever reason, the woman doesn't want sex that day... but the man forces sex upon her. She reports this, it goes to trial and the defense trots out the story that although she said "no" the two of them had this game where she would pretend to refuse, or perhaps insist that while she said "no" loudly when propositioned in public about it (where there were perhaps other witnesses) she changed her mind later. She proclaims this is not the case, he proclaims it is. The jury is left with a case of "he said" versus "she said".

I think we're talking about the women who cry rape knowing it won't stick but doing it to destroy someones life in the knowledge they likely won't be punished for their own crime. That's why the system has to change!

So unlike the men who go about raping women knowing that even in the unlikely chance the police find them and bring them to trial they are very unlikely to spend any time in jail for their actions?

[Intangelon]

First: Why is rape such a special case? False accusation of fraud (e.g. tax fraud) can ruin your reputation too and make you lose your job.

Second: Why, in case of a false accusation, does only the mans reputation suffer? Did I miss something and being a whiny bitch untruly crying rape has become a legitimate activity with no impact on one's reputation?


There should be a penalty for false accusations, and my guess is, there is already. But seriously, why this obsession with rape?
And well, everybody who says the crime of rape is comparable to the crime of a false accusation... -->

Just the whole thread.

[Desperate Measures]

Maybe if the man - after losing job, credibility etc. etc. - also had a hot-dog shoved down his urethra, the woman lying about the rape would be equal to a rape crime.

Edit: No. Then it just turns into a rape crime. I have to ponder this further. I feel it must involve hot-dogs.

[Geniasis]

Knowing this, I still say that it would be worse for me to be accused of rape and have people around me actually believe it. I would likely lose my job. My wife would divorce me in a heartbeat, and I would probably lose access to my children. My church would turn their back on me, my neighbors would shun me. I could lose my livelihood, my home, my standing, everything over the accusation of rape. Could any of that happen to me if I were actually raped? Not even close. Not even with the added stigma of being a male victim of a female-perpetrated rape.

So you admit that your particular sect of God's children would turn their backs on your in your hour of need?

That is one hell of a Freudian slip, my friend.