It's about time women are punished for false rape claims

[Hiddenrun]

Crying rape should be treated as the crime it is. I only hope that from now on, when a woman falsely cries rape, she not only faces criminal sanctions, but a hefty civil suit from the man whose name she's dragged through the mud.

A 19-year-old Massachusetts woman who claimed Friday that she was raped by Lehigh University police officers was charged today with making a false report to police, Pennsylvania State Police at Bethlehem report.

Breilynne Neumann, of Shrewsbury, Mass., faces arraignment in front of South Bethlehem District Judge Nancy Matos Gonzalez.

Neumann was being held by police Friday as part of an unrelated investigation when she allegedly told Bethlehem police that Lehigh officers had raped her, state police report. She later changed her story, saying an undercover Lehigh University police officer sexually assaulted her, police said.

In another case, a woman faces a year in jail for making similar false allegations:

A woman was jailed yesterday after her false claim of rape resulted in an innocent stranger being arrested.

In an attempt to make her family feel guilty following an argument, Kerry Saunders invented a story that she had been sexually assaulted after a night out.

So what do you think the punishment for false claims of rape should be?

[Ashmoria]

i guess it depends on how far it goes.

a high-profile trial and a year or so in jail seems right.

[Mortshnefran]

it seems to be illegal already, so i dont see a need to make a big deal out of it.

[Pope Joan]

There used to be serious common law offenses of "champertry", which meant making up lawsuits in hopes of getting some undeserved advantage,
and "barratry", which meant giving somebody else money to file a lawsuit in hopes they could cash in, sort of like an investment.

I wish we could bring those back, they worked well.

Our courts have become clogged with frivolous claims.

J.D. Northwestern U. School of Law 1974.

[Hiddenrun]

it seems to be illegal already, so i dont see a need to make a big deal out of it.

Nonetheless, when a false rape claim can so seriously damage the reputation of the person falsely accused, there needs to be some effective way to redress that damage, and deter others from making specious claims. You have women like this bint who apparently engages in serial false rape accusations who get away with it. Is massive publicity enough to counteract the damage she's done, do you think?

[Greater Americania]

i guess it depends on how far it goes.

a high-profile trial and a year or so in jail seems right.

Are you serious? The punishment should be similar to the punishment of the accused crime.

[Ashmoria]

i guess it depends on how far it goes.

a high-profile trial and a year or so in jail seems right.

Are you serious? The punishment should be similar to the punishment of the accused crime.

they are two very different crimes.

[Mortshnefran]

it seems to be illegal already, so i dont see a need to make a big deal out of it.

Nonetheless, when a false rape claim can so seriously damage the reputation of the person falsely accused, there needs to be some effective way to redress that damage, and deter others from making specious claims. You have women like this bint who apparently engages in serial false rape accusations who get away with it. Is massive publicity enough to counteract the damage she's done, do you think?

the problem is that you have to find the balance between discouraging false allegations and not intimidating real victims from coming forward. as much as i hate to say it the way it is now errs on the side of the victim and that is probably for the best. as far as that woman( i didnt read the article) she can be found guilty of slander. yes?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

i guess it depends on how far it goes.

a high-profile trial and a year or so in jail seems right.

Are you serious? The punishment should be similar to the punishment of the accused crime.

Why?

[Hiddenrun]

they are two very different crimes.

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Of course society has sympathy for victims of real rape, but not much sympathy for those falsely accused of committing it.

[Intangelon]

Whatever the punishment is for making a false accusation, plus defense costs (or jail time if those fees cannot be covered by the accuser -- which would be a deterrent to those seeking monetary gain from a false accusation).

In short, you're hinting that you want something more severe than the actual punishment, and I'll be glad to agree with covering the defensive legal fees of the accused. Anything more is out of proportion. Then the accused should have an open and shut slander/libel case as well. Seems to me the punishment pretty much fits the crime already, save for the addition of monetary claims for defense already mentioned.

I think it's fair, Hiddenrun, to ask what you would like to see. I have an idea, but I'd like to see your own take.

[Intangelon]

they are two very different crimes.

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Uh...no. One's an actual assault. Come on.

[Ashmoria]

they are two very different crimes.

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Of course society has sympathy for victims of real rape, but not much sympathy for those falsely accused of committing it.

no

just

no.

[Grave_n_idle]

So what do you think the punishment for false claims of rape should be?

Given the relative rarity, the relative lack of seriousnes of the crime, and the relative amount of harm that gets inflicted...

...I think we should get TRUE claims of rape dealt with a little more efficiently, before we start shitting our diapers too much about false ones.

[Grave_n_idle]

Are you serious? The punishment should be similar to the punishment of the accused crime.

Why?

[Hiddenrun]

they are two very different crimes.

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Uh...no. One's an actual assault. Come on.

Unless the woman is actually seriously injured during the assault, you cannot claim that rape is so incredibly worse than what happens to someone who is falsely accused of rape. Men have lost their jobs, their livelihoods, their families, their standing in the community because of false allegations. You honestly think that rape is so much worse than that?

[Shahinesian States]

Crying rape should be treated as the crime it is. I only hope that from now on, when a woman falsely cries rape, she not only faces criminal sanctions, but a hefty civil suit from the man whose name she's dragged through the mud.

A 19-year-old Massachusetts woman who claimed Friday that she was raped by Lehigh University police officers was charged today with making a false report to police, Pennsylvania State Police at Bethlehem report.

Breilynne Neumann, of Shrewsbury, Mass., faces arraignment in front of South Bethlehem District Judge Nancy Matos Gonzalez.

Neumann was being held by police Friday as part of an unrelated investigation when she allegedly told Bethlehem police that Lehigh officers had raped her, state police report. She later changed her story, saying an undercover Lehigh University police officer sexually assaulted her, police said.

In another case, a woman faces a year in jail for making similar false allegations:

A woman was jailed yesterday after her false claim of rape resulted in an innocent stranger being arrested.

In an attempt to make her family feel guilty following an argument, Kerry Saunders invented a story that she had been sexually assaulted after a night out.

So what do you think the punishment for false claims of rape should be?

WOMEN
The bitchy ones get me.

[Grave_n_idle]

they are two very different crimes.

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Uh...no. One's an actual assault. Come on.

Unless the woman is actually seriously injured during the assault, you cannot claim that rape is so incredibly worse than what happens to someone who is falsely accused of rape. Men have lost their jobs, their livelihoods, their families, their standing in the community because of false allegations. You honestly think that rape is so much worse than that?

Would you rather someone accused you of rape, or that they raped you?

[Hiddenrun]

Whatever the punishment is for making a false accusation, plus defense costs (or jail time if those fees cannot be covered by the accuser -- which would be a deterrent to those seeking monetary gain from a false accusation).

In short, you're hinting that you want something more severe than the actual punishment, and I'll be glad to agree with covering the defensive legal fees of the accused. Anything more is out of proportion. Then the accused should have an open and shut slander/libel case as well. Seems to me the punishment pretty much fits the crime already, save for the addition of monetary claims for defense already mentioned.

I think it's fair, Hiddenrun, to ask what you would like to see. I have an idea, but I'd like to see your own take.

I believe I've already stated what I'd like to see. Criminal charges (filing a false claim, interfering with an investigation, whatever), and a civil suit for damages.

The problem is, most of these women probably won't really have any assets to satisfy a judgment in a civil suit. Having a portion of their wages garnished for a few years though, might send the message that you'd better be fucking serious when you cry rape.

[Ashmoria]

they are two very different crimes.

Well in both cases, someone gets fucked against their will.

Uh...no. One's an actual assault. Come on.

Unless the woman is actually seriously injured during the assault, you cannot claim that rape is so incredibly worse than what happens to someone who is falsely accused of rape. Men have lost their jobs, their livelihoods, their families, their standing in the community because of false allegations. You honestly think that rape is so much worse than that?

crimes of violence are in a different category than crimes of....fraud? ...misrepresentation?

false reporting of a crime should not be punished worse than ...defrauding someone out of their life savings.

[Hiddenrun]

So what do you think the punishment for false claims of rape should be?

Given the relative rarity, the relative lack of seriousnes of the crime, and the relative amount of harm that gets inflicted...

...I think we should get TRUE claims of rape dealt with a little more efficiently, before we start shitting our diapers too much about false ones.

We don't have to ignore the false rape claims just because other women make real ones.

The 'relative lack of seriousness of the crime'? Are you fucking shitting me? You seem to believe that all cases where a woman falsely cries rape is going to be figured out before the man ends up doing time. And what about the woman who was fucking around on her husband, and then claimed her lover raped her? The husband/boyfriend shot the 'rapist' to death. It doesn't get much more serious than that.

[Hiddenrun]

Would you rather someone accused you of rape, or that they raped you?

I'd get over a rape a lot faster than I'd get over people in my community and family believing that I was a rapist.

[Grave_n_idle]

We don't have to ignore the false rape claims just because other women make real ones.

Intellectual honesty a problem?

I didn't say 'ignore' the false claims.

The 'relative lack of seriousness of the crime'? Are you fucking shitting me?

No.

You seem to believe that all cases where a woman falsely cries rape is going to be figured out before the man ends up doing time.

Not at all.

And what about the woman who was fucking around on her husband, and then claimed her lover raped her? The husband/boyfriend shot the 'rapist' to death. It doesn't get much more serious than that.

What's your point?

What should the charges be, in that particular example? I don't know - she's at least an accessory or co-conspirator.

But, what's the difference? A man accused of rape can have his name cleared. A woman actually raped - stays raped.

[Hiddenrun]

The lack of practical limitations to the definition of 'rape' is a problem as well. Just because you spent the night binge drinking and fucking some dude you later wake up to see is fugly as all fuck, it doesn't mean you need to erase your shame by claiming it was rape.

The idea that adult women who get blasted cannot give consent to sex despite their intention to get drunk and fuck(ie, every drunk-out-of-her-mind woman at the clubs) is taking things waaay too far. Yes dear, you may regret your actions in the morning, but don't pretend you didn't act at all.

[Grave_n_idle]

Would you rather someone accused you of rape, or that they raped you?

I'd get over a rape a lot faster than I'd get over people in my community and family believing that I was a rapist.

So, given the choice of being raped, or being accused of it - you would choose to be the victim of the violent sexual attack?

I have to ask... because you didn't really answer.