Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[Malgrave]

Speaking of dick-waving...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16810417

I hope it gets a couple of exocet holes in its side to teach the British for good that the empire is gone for good, and that they dont have the muscle to play world policeman.

I think a key difference exists between acting as the world police and defending it's own territorial sovereignty. I think it pretty amusing that you continue to bash the British military. The Type 45 Destroyer is one of the foremost warships in the world.

[Krumbia]

I think a key difference exists between acting as the world police and defending it's own territorial sovereignty. I think it pretty amusing that you continue to bash the British military. The Type 45 Destroyer is one of the foremost warships in the world.

This. We're not world policeman, we're defending our territory. We'd do this (hopefully) with any other of our overseas territories under threat.

[Machtergreifung]

I hope it gets a couple of exocet holes in its side to teach the British for good that the empire is gone for good, and that they dont have the muscle to play world policeman.

I think a key difference exists between acting as the world police and defending it's own territorial sovereignty. I think it pretty amusing that you continue to bash the British military. The Type 45 Destroyer is one of the foremost warships in the world.

I don't doubt it. Just let me launch a couple dozen Exocets at it for a hour or so. See how long it stays around when its reloads for its anti-missile system are at Asscension Island.

[Kouralia]

I think a key difference exists between acting as the world police and defending it's own territorial sovereignty. I think it pretty amusing that you continue to bash the British military. The Type 45 Destroyer is one of the foremost warships in the world.

I don't doubt it. Just let me launch a couple dozen Exocets at it for a hour or so. See how long it stays around when its reloads for its anti-missile system are at Asscension Island.

A Wild Troll appears: it uses - Illogical and incorrect argument, with no evidence to back up and which makes the troll look like an idiot.
It's not very effective (however the last bit worked perfectly).

Seriously - I don't see how anyone who isn't more nationalist than Nick Griffin can actually believe Argentina's claim is worth anything!

[Unchecked Expansion]

Speaking of dick-waving...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16810417

I hope it gets a couple of exocet holes in its side to teach the British for good that the empire is gone for good, and that they dont have the muscle to play world policeman.

Because war is such a nice thing to hope for

[The Matthew Islands]

I think a key difference exists between acting as the world police and defending it's own territorial sovereignty. I think it pretty amusing that you continue to bash the British military. The Type 45 Destroyer is one of the foremost warships in the world.

I don't doubt it. Just let me launch a couple dozen Exocets at it for a hour or so. See how long it stays around when its reloads for its anti-missile system are at Asscension Island.

Aaah, I see you still have not of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.

[Malgrave]

I don't doubt it. Just let me launch a couple dozen Exocets at it for a hour or so. See how long it stays around when its reloads for its anti-missile system are at Asscension Island.

Aaah, I see you still have not of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.

It's completely imaginary of course.

[SD_Film Artists]

Speaking of dick-waving...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16810417

I hope it gets a couple of exocet holes in its side to teach the British for good that the empire is gone for good, and that they dont have the muscle to play world policeman.

Nice, ignoring all the posts quoting you about the issue at hand only to come back with a boarder-line troll post.

Do you seriously think that defending your own soil is being "world policeman"?

[Logic-A-Topia]

Speaking of dick-waving...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16810417

I hope it gets a couple of exocet holes in its side to teach the British for good that the empire is gone for good, and that they dont have the muscle to play world policeman.

What was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of our empire.

[Machtergreifung]

I don't doubt it. Just let me launch a couple dozen Exocets at it for a hour or so. See how long it stays around when its reloads for its anti-missile system are at Asscension Island.

A Wild Troll appears: it uses - Illogical and incorrect argument, with no evidence to back up and which makes the troll look like an idiot.
It's not very effective (however the last bit worked perfectly).

Seriously - I don't see how anyone who isn't more nationalist than Nick Griffin can actually believe Argentina's claim is worth anything!

In all honestly, seeing the rabit British nationalists proclaim that the military of the UK is the be-all-and-end-all amuses me to the point that I act as the role of antithesis for the lulz.

I don't doubt it. Just let me launch a couple dozen Exocets at it for a hour or so. See how long it stays around when its reloads for its anti-missile system are at Asscension Island.

Aaah, I see you still have not of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.

Compare the problems the Americans had during the Pacific War, with the numbers of ships they used, and the RFA numbers at present. Granted, they were not using missiles or such, but they had far more warships on the line.

[SD_Film Artists]

A Wild Troll appears: it uses - Illogical and incorrect argument, with no evidence to back up and which makes the troll look like an idiot.
It's not very effective (however the last bit worked perfectly).

Seriously - I don't see how anyone who isn't more nationalist than Nick Griffin can actually believe Argentina's claim is worth anything!

In all honestly, seeing the rabit British nationalists proclaim that the military of the UK is the be-all-and-end-all amuses me to the point that I act as the role of antithesis for the lulz.

We [British] know all too well how small our navy is compared to the 80's and 40's.

Now if you excuse me, I'll go while you see all the posts you ignored a page or two back. You know, about how they are Britain's islands.

[Malgrave]

Compare the problems the Americans had during the Pacific War, with the numbers of ships they used, and the RFA numbers at present. Granted, they were not using missiles or such, but they had far more warships on the line.

Of course re-arming a couple of vessels with a few anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles requires a replenishment fleet the scale of the entire replenishment fleet of the American Navy during the massive naval campaign in the pacific.

[Machtergreifung]

In all honestly, seeing the rabit British nationalists proclaim that the military of the UK is the be-all-and-end-all amuses me to the point that I act as the role of antithesis for the lulz.

We [British] know all too well how small our navy is compared to the 80's and 40's.

Now if you excuse me, I'll go while you see all the posts you ignored a page or two back. You know, about how they are Britain's islands.

Perhaps they belong to Britain at present, but a few years down the line, they will be so dependant on Argentina that they will belong to Britain in all but name.

Compare the problems the Americans had during the Pacific War, with the numbers of ships they used, and the RFA numbers at present. Granted, they were not using missiles or such, but they had far more warships on the line.

Of course re-arming a couple of vessels with a few anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles requires a replenishment fleet the scale of the entire replenishment fleet of the American Navy during the massive naval campaign in the pacific.

Food. Need to feed the sailors.
Fuel. Last I looked, the USN was screaming for tankers all the way through WW2. Getting to the Falklands requires a great deal of sailing, and theyre not a great bunch of safe ports to base from...
Spare parts, and repairs. Ascension Island for those. Try flying them in along with everything else you need. It would be a nightmare.

[The Matthew Islands]

Compare the problems the Americans had during the Pacific War, with the numbers of ships they used, and the RFA numbers at present. Granted, they were not using missiles or such, but they had far more warships on the line.

Right, because WW2 totally equals sea based combat today! GENIUS!

The RFA is designed to keep the Royal Navy supplied across the seas and looking at then umbers of ships the RFA has to the number of ships the RN has, I think it kind of adds up.

You may not have noticed, but the Pacific is a lot bigger than the are around the Falklands, so I don't see how you can compare the two.

[The Matthew Islands]

Food. Need to feed the sailors.
Fuel. Last I looked, the USN was screaming for tankers all the way through WW2. Getting to the Falklands requires a great deal of sailing, and theyre not a great bunch of safe ports to base from...
Spare parts, and repairs. Ascension Island for those. Try flying them in along with everything else you need. It would be a nightmare.

What is this, I don't even...

The RFA is capable of resupplying ships, wait for it, at sea, because, now brace yourself, its not 1944, its 2012, and see, using black voodoo magic, we've been able to improve efficiency and all that other stuff so that ships can operate longer.

[The UK in Exile]

Spare parts, and repairs. Ascension Island for those. Try flying them in along with everything else you need. It would be a nightmare.

mabye if it were some tin-pot half-arsed foreign navy. it is however the Royal Navy. as such it is crewed by englishmen (and associates) and more than capable of taking a ship anywhere there is water.

[Malgrave]

Food. Need to feed the sailors.
Fuel. Last I looked, the USN was screaming for tankers all the way through WW2. Getting to the Falklands requires a great deal of sailing, and theyre not a great bunch of safe ports to base from...
Spare parts, and repairs. Ascension Island for those. Try flying them in along with everything else you need. It would be a nightmare.

You made specific reference to weapons. The Royal Fleet Auxiliary can easily supply two vessels of the Royal Navy with the needed supplies and saying it cannot is fairly idiotic. Technological advancements have been made since the 1940's.

You can't compare the massive scale of the Pacific naval war to any possible conflict between Argentina and the United Kingdom.

[Machtergreifung]

Compare the problems the Americans had during the Pacific War, with the numbers of ships they used, and the RFA numbers at present. Granted, they were not using missiles or such, but they had far more warships on the line.

Right, because WW2 totally equals sea based combat today! GENIUS!

The RFA is designed to keep the Royal Navy supplied across the seas and looking at then umbers of ships the RFA has to the number of ships the RN has, I think it kind of adds up.

You may not have noticed, but the Pacific is a lot bigger than the are around the Falklands, so I don't see how you can compare the two.

Explain to me what has changed then, besides the introduction of technology. Sailors need food, and ships fuel. They have to get thier. Without a major port, you're screwed.

Food. Need to feed the sailors.
Fuel. Last I looked, the USN was screaming for tankers all the way through WW2. Getting to the Falklands requires a great deal of sailing, and theyre not a great bunch of safe ports to base from...
Spare parts, and repairs. Ascension Island for those. Try flying them in along with everything else you need. It would be a nightmare.

What is this, I don't even...

The RFA is capable of resupplying ships, wait for it, at sea, because, now brace yourself, its not 1944, its 2012, and see, using black voodoo magic, we've been able to improve efficiency and all that other stuff so that ships can operate longer.

Again, what are the major differences between the USN Replenishment Fleets of WW2 and today.

Spare parts, and repairs. Ascension Island for those. Try flying them in along with everything else you need. It would be a nightmare.

mabye if it were some tin-pot half-arsed foreign navy. it is however the Royal Navy. as such it is crewed by englishmen (and associates) and more than capable of taking a ship anywhere there is water.

Yes, and Englishmen are far superior to other peoples, and so are the prime nation on this planet...wait....

[Malgrave]

Food. Need to feed the sailors.
Fuel. Last I looked, the USN was screaming for tankers all the way through WW2. Getting to the Falklands requires a great deal of sailing, and theyre not a great bunch of safe ports to base from...
Spare parts, and repairs. Ascension Island for those. Try flying them in along with everything else you need. It would be a nightmare.

What is this, I don't even...

The RFA is capable of resupplying ships, wait for it, at sea, because, now brace yourself, its not 1944, its 2012, and see, using black voodoo magic, we've been able to improve efficiency and all that other stuff so that ships can operate longer.

The German Navy managed to re-supply on the move even during WW2.

[The UK in Exile]

mabye if it were some tin-pot half-arsed foreign navy. it is however the Royal Navy. as such it is crewed by englishmen (and associates) and more than capable of taking a ship anywhere there is water.

Yes, and Englishmen are far superior to other peoples, and so are the prime nation on this planet...wait....

glad you noticed.

[Machtergreifung]

What is this, I don't even...

The RFA is capable of resupplying ships, wait for it, at sea, because, now brace yourself, its not 1944, its 2012, and see, using black voodoo magic, we've been able to improve efficiency and all that other stuff so that ships can operate longer.

The German Navy managed to re-supply on the move even during WW2.

The German Navy never fought a large-scale fleet engagement with a large fleet during WW2 outside of the northern hemisphere.

[Farnhamia]

Spare parts, and repairs. Ascension Island for those. Try flying them in along with everything else you need. It would be a nightmare.

mabye if it were some tin-pot half-arsed foreign navy. it is however the Royal Navy. as such it is crewed by englishmen (and associates) and more than capable of taking a ship anywhere there is water.

Ah, the British tar!

His nose should pant
and his lip should curl,
His cheeks should flame
and his brow should furl,
His bosom should heave
and his heart should glow,
And his fist be ever ready
for a knock-down blow.

[The Archregimancy]

I have a couple of good ideas.

1) Kouralia, don't subtly accuse other posters of being idiots:

A Wild Troll appears: it uses - Illogical and incorrect argument, with no evidence to back up and which makes the troll look like an idiot.
It's not very effective (however the last bit worked perfectly).

Seriously - I don't see how anyone who isn't more nationalist than Nick Griffin can actually believe Argentina's claim is worth anything!

2) Machtergreifung, it's a bad idea to "act as the role of antithesis for the lulz." This is often construed as trolling. Several of your recent posts have - by your own open admission - been deliberately provocative. Don't.


Now, gentlemen, I'm going to let everyone off with just that gentle but firm slap of the wrist.

Don't make me come back here - I might have to break out the red text.

[The Matthew Islands]

Explain to me what has changed then, besides the introduction of technology. Sailors need food, and ships fuel. They have to get thier. Without a major port, you're screwed.


Again, what are the major differences between the USN Replenishment Fleets of WW2 and today.

No, see the point of the RFA is that, they don't need a major port for a while. See, the Royal Navy sails off down to the Falklands, with the supply ships, and the Destroyers use up their ammo for example. The supply ships give them some. Them some more. Then some more until the supply ship runs out, or whatever in which case, they will have already informed HQ of the impending shortage, so they will dispatch a replacement ship to arrive in time to coincide with the original ship leaving. Then, they can either go all the way back to Gibraltar, or more likely, get a port in South Africa or the Caribbean. Or, perhaps meet another ship sailing from Gibraltar with supplies, take their supplies, then sail back.

The difference between the USN replenishment fleets of WW2 and today is:
WW2: Completely different conditions and factors, with extremely high rate of ammo usage, as well as having to serve hundreds of ships in the largest ocean in the world.

Today in the Falklands: Most likely lower rates of consumption, having to serve, at best, 10-20 ships, in the general are of the Falklands and Argentina.

[Malgrave]

The German Navy managed to re-supply on the move even during WW2.

The German Navy never fought a large-scale fleet engagement with a large fleet during WW2 outside of the northern hemisphere.

I was referring to the re-fuelling of the u-boats which had to be done fairly rapidly under poor and extremely hostile conditions.