Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[Machtergreifung]

Learn about what. The Bolshoi island history follows what Argentina said was done to them. Has you pointed out the Soviets took Bolshoi. That is what Argentina said happened to them.

And you left out the part that the Spanish officially ran those islands from Buenos Aires.

Just on that last bit,

Britain did not claim sovereignty over the islands when Spain left them in 1811. Nor did Britain immediately challenge Argentina’s assertion of sovereignty in 1816.

Argentina didn't immediately challenge Britain's assertion of sovereignty of the islands (which was never revoked since the first settlement by the way), when Britain re-took the islands in 1833. For over a hundred years.

Yes, beacuse it really is smart to challenge the nation that owns 1/5th of the world at that time...

[Ceannairceach]

Yes, beacuse it really is smart to challenge the nation that owns 1/5th of the world at that time...

If they thought they owned it, they should have claimed it.

Not that it matters in the slightest when someone claimed the islands.

[SD_Film Artists]

Just on that last bit,



Argentina didn't immediately challenge Britain's assertion of sovereignty of the islands (which was never revoked since the first settlement by the way), when Britain re-took the islands in 1833. For over a hundred years.

Yes, beacuse it really is smart to challenge the nation that owns 1/5th of the world at that time...

Including the Falklands...which I think has already been stated about....oh..1001 times in this thread, some of which you've apparently chosen to ignore in the last page or so.

[Kirrig]

You should actually learn about the Bolshoi Islands history in comparison to the Falkland Islands and you'll find out that they are nothing alike. I'll copy and earlier post on the subject.

- The Soviet Union occupied the islands from China illegally in the 1920's and as such Russia were at an immediate disadvantage in any diplomatic negotiations about the future of the islands, the amount of people in the island is not important. The British Empire on the other hand never invaded the Falkland Islands and the situation can be explained by quoting history previously posted by Bwitain.



Spain have a greater claim to the Falkland Islands then Argentina and if I remember correctly Uruguay also hold a great claim to the Falkland Islands then Argentina. You also have to remember that the people to the Falklands don't wish to be part of Argentina.

Learn about what. The Bolshoi island history follows what Argentina said was done to them. Has you pointed out the Soviets took Bolshoi. That is what Argentina said happened to them.

And you left out the part that the Spanish officially ran those islands from Buenos Aires.

Both Argentina and the islands were ruled by Spain. Spain ruled the islands from Argentina – they were therefore part of the same territory. Upon independence from Spain, Argentina rightfully asserted sovereignty over the former Spanish territory. Britain did not claim sovereignty over the islands when Spain left them in 1811. Nor did Britain immediately challenge Argentina’s assertion of sovereignty in 1816.

Except they were managed from Uruguay.

[Marcurix]

Just on that last bit,



Argentina didn't immediately challenge Britain's assertion of sovereignty of the islands (which was never revoked since the first settlement by the way), when Britain re-took the islands in 1833. For over a hundred years.

Yes, because it really is smart to challenge the nation that owns 1/5th of the world at that time...

and....? It still isn't particularly smart to pick a fight with one of the worlds largest economies.

What I'm pointing out here is the flaw in the statement. You can't fault Britain for not actively claiming the islands for a decade when Argentina didn't for a century. It makes no sense.

[Spiral Sun]

Just on that last bit,



Argentina didn't immediately challenge Britain's assertion of sovereignty of the islands (which was never revoked since the first settlement by the way), when Britain re-took the islands in 1833. For over a hundred years.

Yes, beacuse it really is smart to challenge the nation that owns 1/5th of the world at that time...

Argentina was also fairly pro-British, who invested in the country a great deal and purchased much of it's wheat and beef.

[Forsher]

Yes, beacuse it really is smart to challenge the nation that owns 1/5th of the world at that time...

Argentina was also fairly pro-British, who invested in the country a great deal and purchased much of it's wheat and beef.

Why would that matter? The Malvinas are Argentina's.

In all seriousness, it will take a major change in Argentina for this to go away.

[SD_Film Artists]

Argentina was also fairly pro-British, who invested in the country a great deal and purchased much of it's wheat and beef.

Why would that matter? The Malvinas are Argentina's.

You mean the Falklands? Why?

In all seriousness, it will take a major change in Argentina for this to go away.

Or history classes.

[Risottia]

Why would that matter? The Malvinas are Argentina's.

I totally agree. Now we got to find a previously-unchartered island, claimed by no-one else, call it "Malvinas" and have the Argentines stick their flag in it for a bit of nationalistic dick-waving.

Then we can get back to business as usual and start some abortion thread.

[Tagmatium]

I totally agree. Now we got to find a previously-unchartered island, claimed by no-one else, call it "Malvinas" and have the Argentines stick their flag in it for a bit of nationalistic dick-waving.

Speaking of dick-waving...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16810417

[Spiral Sun]

I totally agree. Now we got to find a previously-unchartered island, claimed by no-one else, call it "Malvinas" and have the Argentines stick their flag in it for a bit of nationalistic dick-waving.

Speaking of dick-waving...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16810417

They don't want to be attacked. Is that a problem?

[Tagmatium]

Speaking of dick-waving...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16810417

They don't want to be attacked. Is that a problem?

Of course it is a problem! It's obvious that the Falklands should be Argentinian!

Derp.

No, it's not a problem, but the idea that Argentina is going to invade the Falklands is, frankly, stupid.

But sending another warship down there is only going to inflame tensions at this time.

[SD_Film Artists]

They don't want to be attacked. Is that a problem?

Of course it is a problem! It's obvious that the Falklands should be Argentinian!

Derp.

No, it's not a problem, but the idea that Argentina is going to invade the Falklands is, frankly, stupid.

But sending another warship down there is only going to inflame tensions at this time.

The sad thing is that it's not another ship, but an upgraded replacement ship. At least it's an upgrade mind you; with the government cut-backs you'd think Britain planned to defend the islands with some internet meme

[Risottia]

No, it's not a problem, but the idea that Argentina is going to invade the Falklands is, frankly, stupid.

Then again, overestimating Kirchner's intelligence might prove a bit of a gamble.

[Tagmatium]

The sad thing is that it's not another ship, but an upgraded replacement ship. At least it's an upgrade mind you; with the government cut-backs you'd think Britain planned to defend the islands with some internet meme

Basically.

What, they're getting rid of another couple of thousand, aren't they?

Morale must be shot.

[SD_Film Artists]

No, it's not a problem, but the idea that Argentina is going to invade the Falklands is, frankly, stupid.

Then again, overestimating Kirchner's intelligence might prove a bit of a gamble.

Funny how you never see Kirchner and Sarah Palin in the same room..

[Risottia]

Then again, overestimating Kirchner's intelligence might prove a bit of a gamble.

Funny how you never see Kirchner and Sarah Palin in the same room..

O. M. G.

[Tagmatium]

Funny how you never see Kirchner and Sarah Palin in the same room..

O. M. G.

Palin just takes off her glasses and bam!, there's Kirchner!

[Bales Rant]

They don't want to be attacked. Is that a problem?

Of course it is a problem! It's obvious that the Falklands should be Argentinian!

Derp.

No, it's not a problem, but the idea that Argentina is going to invade the Falklands is, frankly, stupid.

But sending another warship down there is only going to inflame tensions at this time.

I know what you're saying and it will initally increase tensions given that Dauntless is much superior to the frigate it's replacing but at the same time it's a much greater deterrent. As such, I'd say the trade-off is sound. The mixed signals London sent prior to the the war in '82 contributed to Argentina's decision to go for it.

If Argentina doesn't mobilise what aircraft it could throw at the Falklands they have nothing to worry about.

As an aside, I didn't know the Type-45 was that well equipped and had such capabilities and I'm delighted about it.

[Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rship.html

..In response to the timing of the war ship heading to the Falklands a Navy spokesperson said:
'The Royal Navy has had a continuous presence in the South Atlantic for many years.
The deployment of HMS Dauntless to the South Atlantic has been long planned, is entirely routine and replaces another ship on patrol,' he said.
But a Royal Navy source said: 'HMS Dauntless is an elite warship. She is one of six Type 45s built for the navy as the most advanced fighting ships in the world.
'She is going to the Falklands on a routine deployment, but the fact the navy is sending her there and not one of her older ships is significant.'
As the 30th anniversary of the start of the Falklands conflict approaches, the diplomatic tension between Britain and Argentina, is rising.
Argentina has recently renewed claims to what it calls Las Malvinas, and David Cameron has accused the country of 'colonialism.'
After returning to work following a cancer scare, Argentina's president wasted little time in launching a response to the comment.
During a speech, Cristina Fernandez said: ‘I heard they're calling us colonialist. ... One is always tempted to respond, but I think it's better to avoid it. When they say these things it's exactly because they don't have reasons or arguments.’
In December, the Mercosur grouping of countries, which includes Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil and Paraguay, announced that it would ban ships sailing under the Falkland Islands flag from docking at their ports.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... 3Ygw05Y....

According to this article, in the midst of growing tensions between Britain & Argentina, the British Royal Navy deploys one of it's most advanced warships to the Falklands to increase its defenses.

I see this as another possible war between both nations.

What is your opinions on this, NationStates? (British & Argentinians are more than welcome to debate this too )

[Acrainia]

The islands want to be British and the Argentinian claim to them is very weak, giving the British the strongest claim.

The UK has every right to deploy a ship to an area where an increasingly hostile nation has motivations to violate their sovereignty.

Not to mention the argies only started giving a damn again once the possibility of oil in the area appeared.

[Samuraikoku]

I'm from Argentina, and I have my doubts there's going to be a war ever again. In many other Falklands threads (I call them Malvinas when I speak Spanish, Falklands when I speak English) I have stated that we have little - if any - war material left (our armed forces have been mostly dismantled), which makes any attempt to go to war again virtually impossible. Not to mention no one here, after the failed, poorly planned and even more poorly executed '82 campaign, will ever endorse the idea of going to war ever again; and our government has stated many times that Argentina's claim (which I find dubious if existent at all nowadays) will only be pursued through diplomatic means.

It is my opinion that this whole thing is nothing but a bragging contest - and not just on our side, because I believe David Cameron knows everything I've said above, and is just showing off (I mean no offense to British people with this last part, and I acknowledge that I can and may be wrong). This bickering is out of place, and once again I repeat: If the Falklands inhabitants wish to remain British, then it is their will and it should be respected.

[SD_Film Artists]

There's already a thread for this; and unless I've missed something in the news, this hasn't escalated tensions. Britain is merely replacing a frigate which is already there (along with a nuclear subarmarine, 4 Eurofighters and ground forces). Considering that this is very recent news, perhaps Argentina has yet to give a reply; but then again, the Falklands are British waters so Britain is quite within its rights to send 100 frigates there.

Edit: Yay for thread-merge!

[Call to power]

HMS Dauntless is an elite warship. She is one of six Type 45s built for the navy as the most advanced fighting ships in the world

A tenner says it runs aground and needs to be rescued at some point.

It is my opinion that this whole thing is nothing but a bragging contest - and not just on our side, because I believe David Cameron knows everything I've said above, and is just showing off (I mean no offense to British people with this last part, and I acknowledge that I can and may be wrong). This bickering is out of place, and once again I repeat: If the Falklands inhabitants wish to remain British, then it is their will and it should be respected.

Aye I think both sides are pretty keen on using this to deflect criticism of deteriorating conditions at home

[Machtergreifung]

I totally agree. Now we got to find a previously-unchartered island, claimed by no-one else, call it "Malvinas" and have the Argentines stick their flag in it for a bit of nationalistic dick-waving.

Speaking of dick-waving...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16810417

I hope it gets a couple of exocet holes in its side to teach the British for good that the empire is gone for good, and that they dont have the muscle to play world policeman.