Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[The Realm of God]

Argentina's claim is derived from being a loose descendent of Spain, which had 'inherited' its claim from the French. However, the Spanish colony was set up two years after the British one, and Argentina only set up a colony about 65 years after the first settlement had been made. The below table was taken from the Wikipedia article on the Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute.

February 1764 – April 1767 France
January 1765 – July 1770 Great Britain
April 1767 – February 1811 Spain
September 1771 – May 1776 Great Britain
February 1811 – August 1829 None
August 1829 – December 1831 Argentina United Provinces
December 1831 – January 1832 United States
January 1832 – December 1832 None
December 1832 – January 1833 Argentine Confederation
January 1833 – August 1833 United Kingdom
August 1833 – January 1834 None
January 1834 – April 1982 United Kingdom
April 1982 – June 1982 Argentina
June 1982 – present United Kingdom

EDIT; Fixed the spoiler list and added my source.

The entire Argentine claim of the island seems to revolve around sticking your finger in your ear and screaming "lalalala"

That is true and funny and worthy of being sigged.

[Great Nepal]

Original inhabitants were of mixed origin, depended on Buenos Aries for everything.
Various things happen, Spanish/Argentine colony is destroyed, islands left abandoned.
British sweep in, import settlers, Rule Britannia.


See where the problem is?

No.
If UK abandoned Falklands and declared it a open zone and Argentina settles its populace and declares it part of Argentina, will it be wrong?

[Cromarty]

Original inhabitants were of mixed origin, depended on Buenos Aries for everything.

Source?

[The UEG-Space Command]

Why is it that every "British or British named nation" i read I gave them a funny accent? Anyways Argentina needs to stay away.

[Kirrig]

Original inhabitants were of mixed origin, depended on Buenos Aries for everything.
Various things happen, Spanish/Argentine colony is destroyed, islands left abandoned.
British sweep in, import settlers, Rule Britannia.


See where the problem is?

No.
If UK abandoned Falklands and declared it a open zone and Argentina settles its populace and declares it part of Argentina, will it be wrong?

Yes. I assume open means independent.

[Machtergreifung]

Original inhabitants were of mixed origin, depended on Buenos Aries for everything.

Source?

Pretty much all trade apart from a British ship every few months was with BA. IIRC even the mail for the islands went through BA.

[SD_Film Artists]

Source?

Pretty much all trade apart from a British ship every few months was with BA. IIRC even the mail for the islands went through BA.

Even if this was true, what does it have to do with international law? I'd imagine that most of the trade to Gibraltar comes from Spain, but that doesn't make it any more Spanish. It just sounds like a re-imagining of the "it's close to us so it's ours" fallacy.

[Great Nepal]

No.
If UK abandoned Falklands and declared it a open zone and Argentina settles its populace and declares it part of Argentina, will it be wrong?

Yes. I assume open means independent.

No, I mean "open" more likeopen city. There is no one living there and UK doesn't care about it..

[Caragonia]

Yes. I assume open means independent.

No, I mean "open" more likeopen city. There is no one living there and UK doesn't care about it..

If you mean 'no-one living on the Falklands', then you're wrong. There's around 3000+ people on it.

[Kirrig]

Yes. I assume open means independent.

No, I mean "open" more likeopen city. There is no one living there and UK doesn't care about it..

Okay. I'm going to say yes. Because Argentina didn't stand up for the Falklanders when Brirtain booted them off.

[Machtergreifung]

No, I mean "open" more likeopen city. There is no one living there and UK doesn't care about it..

Okay. I'm going to say yes. Because Argentina didn't stand up for the Falklanders when Brirtain booted them off.

Probably beacuse taking on the worlds superpower was not the best idea at the time. Imagine Puerto Rico attempting to kick out the Americans today, and you have the rough equivilant. They had the right idea in waiting till Britain was on the downward track.

[Caragonia]

No, I mean "open" more likeopen city. There is no one living there and UK doesn't care about it..

Okay. I'm going to say yes. Because Argentina didn't stand up for the Falklanders when Brirtain booted them off.

We've never booted off anyone from the Falklands, other than that invading army in '82.

[Kirrig]

Okay. I'm going to say yes. Because Argentina didn't stand up for the Falklanders when Brirtain booted them off.

Probably beacuse taking on the worlds superpower was not the best idea at the time. Imagine Puerto Rico attempting to kick out the Americans today, and you have the rough equivilant. They had the right idea in waiting till Britain was on the downward track.

You have stripped this of its context and made it something totally different. I do not refer to anything that has actually happened. In fact it hasn't happened. I refer to a hypothetical posed by Great Nepal. For the Falklands to become open there must be no-one living there. For no-one to be living there the UK must boot the islanders off.

[Malgrave]

Source?

Pretty much all trade apart from a British ship every few months was with BA. IIRC even the mail for the islands went through BA.

Ceasing this trade however would be against international law and turn Argentina into a pariah state. The Falkland Islands would then get it's supplies routed by another country.

[SD_Film Artists]

Pretty much all trade apart from a British ship every few months was with BA. IIRC even the mail for the islands went through BA.

Ceasing this trade however would be against international law and turn Argentina into a pariah state. The Falkland Islands would then get it's supplies routed by another country.

Does that mean the US is a pariah because of Cuba? Not that it matters much for this thread, as Cuba and the Falklands aren't politically comparable and I've already posted on how Machtergreifung's point is moot.

[Rio Cana]

You should actually learn about the Bolshoi Islands history in comparison to the Falkland Islands and you'll find out that they are nothing alike. I'll copy and earlier post on the subject.

- The Soviet Union occupied the islands from China illegally in the 1920's and as such Russia were at an immediate disadvantage in any diplomatic negotiations about the future of the islands, the amount of people in the island is not important. The British Empire on the other hand never invaded the Falkland Islands and the situation can be explained by quoting history previously posted by Bwitain.

In 1764, French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville founded the first settlement on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland. In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766. Unaware of the French presence, Byron claimed the island group for King George III. Spain acquired the French colony in 1767 and placed it under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires colonial administration. In 1770, Spain attacked Port Egmont and expelled the British presence, bringing the two countries to the brink of war. War was avoided by a peace treaty and the British return to Port Egmont.

In 1774, economic pressures leading up to the American Revolutionary War forced Great Britain to withdraw from many overseas settlements. Upon withdrawal the British left behind a plaque asserting her continued claim. Spain maintained its governor until 1806 who, on his departure, left behind a plaque asserting Spanish claims. The remaining settlers were withdrawn by the United Provinces of the River Plate in 1811.

Spain have a greater claim to the Falkland Islands then Argentina and if I remember correctly Uruguay also hold a great claim to the Falkland Islands then Argentina. You also have to remember that the people to the Falklands don't wish to be part of Argentina.

Learn about what. The Bolshoi island history follows what Argentina said was done to them. Has you pointed out the Soviets took Bolshoi. That is what Argentina said happened to them.

And you left out the part that the Spanish officially ran those islands from Buenos Aires.

Both Argentina and the islands were ruled by Spain. Spain ruled the islands from Argentina – they were therefore part of the same territory. Upon independence from Spain, Argentina rightfully asserted sovereignty over the former Spanish territory. Britain did not claim sovereignty over the islands when Spain left them in 1811. Nor did Britain immediately challenge Argentina’s assertion of sovereignty in 1816.

[Marcurix]

Source?

Pretty much all trade apart from a British ship every few months was with BA. IIRC even the mail for the islands went through BA.

Sorry, but what has that got to do with your previous statement?

Original inhabitants were of mixed origin, depended on Buenos Aries for everything.

Not seeing the connection. Or source for that matter.

[SD_Film Artists]

You should actually learn about the Bolshoi Islands history in comparison to the Falkland Islands and you'll find out that they are nothing alike. I'll copy and earlier post on the subject.

- The Soviet Union occupied the islands from China illegally in the 1920's and as such Russia were at an immediate disadvantage in any diplomatic negotiations about the future of the islands, the amount of people in the island is not important. The British Empire on the other hand never invaded the Falkland Islands and the situation can be explained by quoting history previously posted by Bwitain.



Spain have a greater claim to the Falkland Islands then Argentina and if I remember correctly Uruguay also hold a great claim to the Falkland Islands then Argentina. You also have to remember that the people to the Falklands don't wish to be part of Argentina.

Learn about what. The Bolshoi island history follows what Argentina said was done to them. Has you pointed out the Soviets took Bolshoi. That is what Argentina said happened to them.

Argentina can say lots of things, but 1000 lies do not add up to 1 truth.

And you left out the part that the Spanish officially ran those islands from Buenos Aires.

Both Argentina and the islands were ruled by Spain. Spain ruled the islands from Argentina – they were therefore part of the same territory. Upon independence from Spain, Argentina rightfully asserted sovereignty over the former Spanish territory. Britain did not claim sovereignty over the islands when Spain left them in 1811. Nor did Britain immediately challenge Argentina’s assertion of sovereignty in 1816.

Britain didn't have to claim the territory because it didn't need to- it was already British as of 1765.

I'm sure Spain ruled alot of places from Argentina, that doesn't make the Falklands suddenly part of a continent which it isn't part of. That is, if we're even talking about Argentina's claim to rule which is a fallacy from the start.

[Ceannairceach]

Learn about what. The Bolshoi island history follows what Argentina said was done to them. Has you pointed out the Soviets took Bolshoi. That is what Argentina said happened to them.

And you left out the part that the Spanish officially ran those islands from Buenos Aires.

Both Argentina and the islands were ruled by Spain. Spain ruled the islands from Argentina – they were therefore part of the same territory. Upon independence from Spain, Argentina rightfully asserted sovereignty over the former Spanish territory. Britain did not claim sovereignty over the islands when Spain left them in 1811. Nor did Britain immediately challenge Argentina’s assertion of sovereignty in 1816.

I hardly see how any of that matters when the Falklanders don't want to be Argentinian.

[Marcurix]

You should actually learn about the Bolshoi Islands history in comparison to the Falkland Islands and you'll find out that they are nothing alike. I'll copy and earlier post on the subject.

- The Soviet Union occupied the islands from China illegally in the 1920's and as such Russia were at an immediate disadvantage in any diplomatic negotiations about the future of the islands, the amount of people in the island is not important. The British Empire on the other hand never invaded the Falkland Islands and the situation can be explained by quoting history previously posted by Bwitain.



Spain have a greater claim to the Falkland Islands then Argentina and if I remember correctly Uruguay also hold a great claim to the Falkland Islands then Argentina. You also have to remember that the people to the Falklands don't wish to be part of Argentina.

Learn about what. The Bolshoi island history follows what Argentina said was done to them. Has you pointed out the Soviets took Bolshoi. That is what Argentina said happened to them.

And you left out the part that the Spanish officially ran those islands from Buenos Aires.

Both Argentina and the islands were ruled by Spain. Spain ruled the islands from Argentina – they were therefore part of the same territory. Upon independence from Spain, Argentina rightfully asserted sovereignty over the former Spanish territory. Britain did not claim sovereignty over the islands when Spain left them in 1811. Nor did Britain immediately challenge Argentina’s assertion of sovereignty in 1816.

Just on that last bit,

Britain did not claim sovereignty over the islands when Spain left them in 1811. Nor did Britain immediately challenge Argentina’s assertion of sovereignty in 1816.

Argentina didn't immediately challenge Britain's assertion of sovereignty of the islands (which was never revoked since the first settlement by the way), when Britain re-took the islands in 1833. For over a hundred years.

[Pollstates]

Two things I have noticed: One its rather ironic that the President of Argentina is left but the dictator that fought in the Falkland Is. was right, just sayin. Two I think she is trying to lock up Argentina for future elections, just like the Bolivian President (he always threatens Chile in the middle of the Presidental elections and always wins). So in my option Argentina just playing games.

[Fnordgasm 5]

I hardly see how any of that matters when the Falklanders don't want to be Argentinian.

Indeed.

Sometimes, I'm able to see past my petty nationalism and see that perhaps Britain might have been in the wrong. It certainly has been in the past on a multitude of issues. Does that mean these people should be punished and stripped of their rights because of the crimes of those long dead?

[Yorkland]

Down with the Argentinians and French

[SD_Film Artists]

Down with the Argentinians and French

But the French are ok

[Pollstates]

Down with the Argentinians and French

Its because of politics or something else?