Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[Great Agram]

Should germany have claim on East Prussia?

If 99,9 % of the inhabitants of East Prussia would identify as Germans and want to belong to Germany, I'd say yes.

Would that mean that Northern Ireland should be under Ireland?

[SD_Film Artists]

If 99,9 % of the inhabitants of East Prussia would identify as Germans and want to belong to Germany, I'd say yes.

Would that mean that Northern Ireland should be under Ireland?

Depends on what the people want.

[Caragonia]

If 99,9 % of the inhabitants of East Prussia would identify as Germans and want to belong to Germany, I'd say yes.

Would that mean that Northern Ireland should be under Ireland?

When 99.9% of the Northern Irish population want to join with the Republic of Ireland, they could. Until they want that, they can stay within the UK, especially since the Loyalists would go postal if anyone wanted the Six Counties to join the RoI.

[Baltenstein]

If 99,9 % of the inhabitants of East Prussia would identify as Germans and want to belong to Germany, I'd say yes.

Would that mean that Northern Ireland should be under Ireland?

The majority of the people of Northern Ireland wants to remain in the UK.

[SD_Film Artists]

Would that mean that Northern Ireland should be under Ireland?

When 99.9% of the Northern Irish population want to join with the Republic of Ireland, they could. Until they want that, they can stay within the UK, especially since the Loyalists would go postal if anyone wanted the Six Counties to join the RoI.

Indeed. Though referendums tend to be about the 50.000001% which is one of the reasons why I think they're a bad idea for such important decisions. Having said that, the principle of self-determination must still be defended if it is to mean anything in international law.

[Machtergreifung]

Would that mean that Northern Ireland should be under Ireland?

The majority of the people of Northern Ireland wants to remain in the UK.

Probably as the Irish Republic is up the economic waterspout. Which prompts a interesting question concerning the Falklands, if the islanders loyalties would change if the islands dried up economicaly (either naturaly, or induced by Buenos Aires)?

[Fartsniffage]

The majority of the people of Northern Ireland wants to remain in the UK.

Probably as the Irish Republic is up the economic waterspout. Which prompts a interesting question concerning the Falklands, if the islanders loyalties would change if the islands dried up economicaly (either naturaly, or induced by Buenos Aires)?

Possibly true.

Can you source the historic NI preference to remain part of Britain correlated to the economic situation of the ROI?

[Farnhamia]

The majority of the people of Northern Ireland wants to remain in the UK.

Probably as the Irish Republic is up the economic waterspout. Which prompts a interesting question concerning the Falklands, if the islanders loyalties would change if the islands dried up economicaly (either naturaly, or induced by Buenos Aires)?

I doubt it. They might leave but I doubt they would suddenly say, "Oy! Let's sign up with Argies, this British thing is bollocks."

[Cromarty]

Do those living there want to remain British? Yes they do.

Thus there's no controversy at all.

Are the settlers British or not? Is it posible that Britain in meanwhile colonise more British there? yes

The settlers are British yes, and wish to remain so.

Again, not seeing any controversy or anything.

[Great Agram]

Are the settlers British or not? Is it posible that Britain in meanwhile colonise more British there? yes

The settlers are British yes, and wish to remain so.

Again, not seeing any controversy or anything.

Ok let us pretent Zimbabwe has 40% white british colonist and 60% natives. Suddenly the 60% of the British are killed or expeled from Zimbabwe. The referendum is hold in which the only Zimbabwians (british colonist) vote. The result of the referendum is that 99% want Zimbabwe remain british. According to you logic you would say:"the Zimambwians want to remain british, let us be democratic and respect the result".

[Fartsniffage]

The settlers are British yes, and wish to remain so.

Again, not seeing any controversy or anything.

Ok let us pretent Zimbabwe has 40% white british colonist and 60% natives. Suddenly the 60% of the British are killed or expeled from Zimbabwe. The referendum is hold in which the only Zimbabwians (british colonist) vote. The result of the referendum is that 99% want Zimbabwe remain british. According to you logic you would say:"the Zimambwians want to remain british, let us be democratic and respect the result".

When were the Argentine voters expelled from the Falklands?

[Salma]

Being that the Falklands people are about 90% British...

[Great Agram]

Ok let us pretent Zimbabwe has 40% white british colonist and 60% natives. Suddenly the 60% of the British are killed or expeled from Zimbabwe. The referendum is hold in which the only Zimbabwians (british colonist) vote. The result of the referendum is that 99% want Zimbabwe remain british. According to you logic you would say:"the Zimambwians want to remain british, let us be democratic and respect the result".

When were the Argentine voters expelled from the Falklands?

The point is building legitimacy according to the colonist which they originaly not belong to the Falkands.

[Kirrig]

You failed to address how the Argentinian claim is any better than Nazi Germany’s claim to the Czech lands, Poland, etc. Or the Soviet claim to the Baltic States, Eastern Europe, Finland etc. Or the Fascist Italian claim to Albania, Ethiopia, Greece, Egypt, etc. You cannot, because the Argentinian claim is just as farcical.
Instead you cite independence movements based on popular sovereignty and self-determination. Do you believe in popular sovereignty and self-determination? If you claim to oppose colonialism you have to. Well the Falklands have a right to NOT be part of Argentina. Making the Falklands into an Argentinian colony against the will of the local population, is well, COLONIALISM! You, and Argentina, need to get off your “colonial high horse”, not the British.

And again, explain to me how this works. You claim that Argentina has a right to the Falkland Islands because they or their predecessor state once controlled it. Well the US once controlled the Philippines, so should the US blockade and invade them? Germany once controlled, all or large parts of what is now Poland, Austria, France, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands. And incidentally France did too. So you have mutually exclusive claims. Should every country in the world have a massive battle royal then? Look up Alsace Lorraine, should Germany blockade it as well? Borders change; you and the Argentinians need to get over it.

I agree the British failure to develop the islands is an issue, which is why I suggest the British correct it. And geographic proximity is not everything in global trade; look at the trade between China and the US, or India and the US. Your biggest trade partners do not have to be geographically close. The Falkland Islands need to diversify their trade, and Chile and South Africa are probably the best options.

Original inhabitants were of mixed origin, depended on Buenos Aries for everything.
Various things happen, Spanish/Argentine colony is destroyed, islands left abandoned.
British sweep in, import settlers, Rule Britannia.


See where the problem is?

Yes. You argument is blatantly false.

But, if you use your brain, and read other wikipedia articles:

Debo informaros que he recibido órdenes de S.E. el Comandante en Jefe de las fuerzas navales de S.M.B., estacionadas en América del Sur, para hacer efectivo el derecho de soberanía de S.M.B. sobre las Islas Malvinas.
Siendo mi intención izar mañana el pabellón de la Gran Bretaña en el territorio, os pido tengais a bien arriar el vuestro y retirar vuestras fuerzas con todos los objetos pertenecientes a vuestro gobierno.
Soy, Señor, vuestro humilde y muy obediente servidor.

J. Onslow
A.S.E. el Comandante de las Fuerzas de Buenos Aires en Puerto Louis [Soledad], Berkeley Sound115
Pinedo estaba en inferioridad de condiciones: contaba con un buque de capacidad bélica mucho menor, y la mayoría de su tripulación era de origen británico. La legislación británica contemplaba el delito de alta traición para los nativos de ese país que se alzaran contra la corona. La mayoría de los hombres dijo estar dispuesta a combatir, pero la resistencia fue insuficiente. [cita requerida] Los ingleses desembarcaron en la mañana del 3 de enero de 1833; primero izaron su bandera y luego arriaron la argentina. Dos días después Pinedo abandonó las islas a bordo de la Sarandí llevando consigo a un grupo relativamente numeroso de colonos rioplatenses.116

After the rebellion of the ARGENTINIAN natives (Gauchos and Charrúas):

Smith centró sus esfuerzos en restaurar el establecimiento de Port Louis, al que renombró Anson's Harbour. Fue sucedido por los tenientes Robert Lowcay en abril de 1838 y John Tyssen en diciembre de ese mismo año. Estas autoridades negaron a Vernet sus reiteradas solicitudes para volver a asentarse en las instalaciones de las que era dueño, con el argumento de que se trataba de un "intruso". Finalmente, tras una visita a Londres, obtuvo una escasa compensación monetaria por la pérdida de sus caballos, pero se le negó una ampliación de la indemnización por los demás daños

The articles are in spanish, if you can´t spend a second of your life reading other articles, and if you think that wikipedia is the only source of information and is always right, do you think I will waste my time translating the articles for you? USE THE GOOGLE TRANSLATOR

Yes I can see that they are in Spanish. If they something different... cool for you.

If you want another source I turn to Britannica. (15th edition.)

The British, in 1765, were the first to settle West Falkland. They were driven off in 1770, however, by Spanish troops, Spain having bought out the French. War between Britain and Spain was only averted when Spain agreed to return "the port and the fort called Egmont" to the British. For economy the British naval garrison was withdrawn in 1774, leaving a plaque claiming full sovereignty over all the Falklands for the British Crown. Spain maintained its settlement until 1806, when an uprising against against Spanish authority broke out in Buenos Aires province, Argentina. Spain made no further claim to jurisdiction, but in 1816 the United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata claimed to succeed Spain in sovereignty over the Falklands and took possession of Soledad in 1820. A local governor was installed in 1828. Four years later the British government reasserted its claims to the Falklands, and in 1833 a British force peacefully expelled th eArgentine soldiers and their vessel from Soledad and raised the British flag. The British prime minister said in 1834 that the British were not prepared to permit "any other state to exercise a right as derived from Spain, which Britain had denied to Spain herself."

[Caragonia]

Being that the Falklands people are about 90% British...

In terms of citizenship, they're all British, but in demographic terms, according to the 2007 census, 60% self-described as Falklanders actually while closer to 20% called themselves 'British'.

[Mosasauria]

Can someone explain if Argentina has any claim to the Falklands and/or why they want those islands?

[Ceannairceach]

When were the Argentine voters expelled from the Falklands?

The point is building legitimacy according to the colonist which they originaly not belong to the Falkands.

Are there any Falkland natives, though, besides those of colonial descent? >_>

[Fartsniffage]

When were the Argentine voters expelled from the Falklands?

The point is building legitimacy according to the colonist which they originaly not belong to the Falkands.

Who did originally live on the Falklands?

[Set the Unbound]

The point is building legitimacy according to the colonist which they originaly not belong to the Falkands.

Who did originally live on the Falklands?

Turtles.

We need to arm them to resist oppression and end Colonialism!

[Itanica]

Buenos Aires already totally ruled out military action. It's just more diplomatic shit that has no effect on us whatsoever. Besides, if they do instigate something then they have a jolly good beating coming their way.. That is, if we can prepare a navy (goddamned tories).

[The Corparation]

The point is building legitimacy according to the colonist which they originaly not belong to the Falkands.

Who did originally live on the Falklands?

Most evidence suggests no one. There's almost no evidence of any sort of habitation prior to the British arriving.

[Mosasauria]

Who did originally live on the Falklands?

Most evidence suggests no one. There's almost no evidence of any sort of habitation prior to the British arriving.

Then they wiped out the Falkland Island's Fox.

[Caragonia]

Can someone explain if Argentina has any claim to the Falklands and/or why they want those islands?

Argentina's claim is derived from being a loose descendent of Spain, which had 'inherited' its claim from the French. However, the Spanish colony was set up two years after the British one, and Argentina only set up a colony about 65 years after the first settlement had been made. The below table was taken from the Wikipedia article on the Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute.

February 1764 – April 1767 France
January 1765 – July 1770 Great Britain
April 1767 – February 1811 Spain
September 1771 – May 1776 Great Britain
February 1811 – August 1829 None
August 1829 – December 1831 Argentina United Provinces
December 1831 – January 1832 United States
January 1832 – December 1832 None
December 1832 – January 1833 Argentine Confederation
January 1833 – August 1833 United Kingdom
August 1833 – January 1834 None
January 1834 – April 1982 United Kingdom
April 1982 – June 1982 Argentina
June 1982 – present United Kingdom

EDIT; Fixed the spoiler list and added my source.

[Set the Unbound]

Most evidence suggests no one. There's almost no evidence of any sort of habitation prior to the British arriving.

Then they wiped out the Falkland Island's Fox.

They can kill my body, but they cannot take my land!

[Malgrave]

Can someone explain if Argentina has any claim to the Falklands and/or why they want those islands?

Argentina's claim is derived from being a loose descendent of Spain, which had 'inherited' its claim from the French. However, the Spanish colony was set up two years after the British one, and Argentina only set up a colony about 65 years after the first settlement had been made. The below table was taken from the Wikipedia article on the Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute.

February 1764 – April 1767 France
January 1765 – July 1770 Great Britain
April 1767 – February 1811 Spain
September 1771 – May 1776 Great Britain
February 1811 – August 1829 None
August 1829 – December 1831 Argentina United Provinces
December 1831 – January 1832 United States
January 1832 – December 1832 None
December 1832 – January 1833 Argentine Confederation
January 1833 – August 1833 United Kingdom
August 1833 – January 1834 None
January 1834 – April 1982 United Kingdom
April 1982 – June 1982 Argentina
June 1982 – present United Kingdom

EDIT; Fixed the spoiler list and added my source.

The entire Argentine claim of the island seems to revolve around sticking your finger in your ear and screaming "lalalala"