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Postby Great Agram » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:05 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
Great Agram wrote:Be honest, how many english people know a foreing language?

And no, it is not rasict cause you are not race (although you may so consider yourself)


My earlier post I speak several languages and I am Scottish/English.

'And about English people not speaking other languages I speak English French and Serbian and I am learning Pashto.'

You speak serbian?

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Postby Malgrave » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:06 pm

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The Realm of God wrote:
Who Belgium and Germany had the worst human rights record in Africa.

And about English people not speaking other languages I speak English French and Serbian and I am learning Pashto

Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.


No. The Russians used internment camps to house Polish troublemakers in the 1800's and the Americans used them to intern Native Americans and Phillipino's during the Phillipines War not to mention the Spanish used then in Cuba during the Ten Years War.

All before the Boer War so stop it with your nationalist propaganda.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:06 pm

Great Agram wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
Who Belgium and Germany had the worst human rights record in Africa.

And about English people not speaking other languages I speak English French and Serbian and I am learning Pashto

Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.


Only if you Godwin this thread by saying- "and you know who else did concentration camps- Nazis". Concentration camps are never good things and I'm not pretending that they were, but they weren't half as bad as the Nazi ones. And besides, you're dodging the question. The Belgians were far worse.
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Postby The Realm of God » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:06 pm

Great Agram wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
Who Belgium and Germany had the worst human rights record in Africa.

And about English people not speaking other languages I speak English French and Serbian and I am learning Pashto

Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.


The Belgians rounded up Conglaniese and forced them to work as slaves with the threat of death or mutilation if they disobeyed I am not saying the British have a perfect record cause we dont be are better than that.
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Postby Caragonia » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:07 pm

Great Agram wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
Who Belgium and Germany had the worst human rights record in Africa.

And about English people not speaking other languages I speak English French and Serbian and I am learning Pashto

Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.


The 'concentration camp' we associate with the NSDAP, or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, was invented by them during the 1930's. Concentration camp in the sense of securing potential enemy resources and hostages were invented by us in the 1890's, and it was truly tragic that we allowed malnutrition and diseases to lodge in the camps.
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Postby Malgrave » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:08 pm

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Great Agram wrote:Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.


Only if you Godwin this thread by saying- "and you know how else did concentration camps- Nazis". Concentration camps are never good things and I'm not pretending that they were, but they weren't half as bad as the Nazi ones. And besides, you're dodging the question. The Belgians were far worse.


He's mixing up concentration camp with internment camp which the Russians, Americans and Spanish used first. Oh and the Germans used the first extermination camp to commit genocide in Western Africa.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:10 pm

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/2 ... -argentina

Hopefully the new generation are starting to see the truth.


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Postby Great Agram » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:11 pm

Caragonia wrote:
Great Agram wrote:Be honest, how many english people know a foreing language?

And no, it is not rasict cause you are not race (although you may so consider yourself)


Well, let's see. We've not got any countries with different primary languages with a land border next to us, seeing as we're an island, we've been quite isolationist throughout history before the late 1700's, the majority of the world's population can at least understand English, and the study of foreign languages is chronically underestimated in the UK. Personally I did five years of German and have attempted to learn Cyrillic and Latin, though I understand I am the minority.

Actually, that is the widely accepted secondary use of the term racism in my personal experience here on NSG. Personally I believe it should be termed ethnicist, but that's gone nowhere.

Now here's a question; Why have you taken the explanation that this is an English-language forum, and turned it into 'All English people are either uneducated or racist for not speaking foreign languages'? Have you considered that it's a simple matter of convenience on the forum to use English?

There is no problem with the forum, the official language is english and that is ok. My point in every country every person must speak at least one foreign language fluent; in England there is no need for this criterium.

The Brisith are not a race, so it is not raicm.

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Postby Great Agram » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:12 pm

Caragonia wrote:
Great Agram wrote:Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.


The 'concentration camp' we associate with the NSDAP, or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, was invented by them during the 1930's. Concentration camp in the sense of securing potential enemy resources and hostages were invented by us in the 1890's, and it was truly tragic that we allowed malnutrition and diseases to lodge in the camps.

So, why do you not face with your dark way just like the germans did with antisemitism?

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Postby Great Agram » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:13 pm

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Great Agram wrote:Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.


The Belgians rounded up Conglaniese and forced them to work as slaves with the threat of death or mutilation if they disobeyed I am not saying the British have a perfect record cause we dont be are better than that.

The British did it first, may I remember you that congo became belgian long after Britain did.

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Postby Caragonia » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:13 pm

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Caragonia wrote:
Well, let's see. We've not got any countries with different primary languages with a land border next to us, seeing as we're an island, we've been quite isolationist throughout history before the late 1700's, the majority of the world's population can at least understand English, and the study of foreign languages is chronically underestimated in the UK. Personally I did five years of German and have attempted to learn Cyrillic and Latin, though I understand I am the minority.

Actually, that is the widely accepted secondary use of the term racism in my personal experience here on NSG. Personally I believe it should be termed ethnicist, but that's gone nowhere.

Now here's a question; Why have you taken the explanation that this is an English-language forum, and turned it into 'All English people are either uneducated or racist for not speaking foreign languages'? Have you considered that it's a simple matter of convenience on the forum to use English?

There is no problem with the forum, the official language is english and that is ok. My point in every country every person must speak at least one foreign language fluent; in England there is no need for this criterium.

The Brisith are not a race, so it is not raicm.


Some people use the term racism when describing people's actions/words in regards to nationalities as well. I have bolded the relevant part. And yes, hopefully the UK will soon foster the encouragement of foreign languages in high schools.

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Caragonia wrote:
The 'concentration camp' we associate with the NSDAP, or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, was invented by them during the 1930's. Concentration camp in the sense of securing potential enemy resources and hostages were invented by us in the 1890's, and it was truly tragic that we allowed malnutrition and diseases to lodge in the camps.

So, why do you not face with your dark way just like the germans did with antisemitism?


Well, we don't have a dark way. We've never sought to eliminate the entirety of a single race/religion/ethnicity like the Nazi's did, so your point falls flat. Also, anti-semitism was not a uniquely German attribute, and describing it as such is false and dishonourable to those who died at the hands of anti-semitic violence in the USSR, Poland, Ukraine, and basically everywhere in Europe at some point.
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Postby Great Agram » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:13 pm

Caragonia wrote:
Great Agram wrote:There is no problem with the forum, the official language is english and that is ok. My point in every country every person must speak at least one foreign language fluent; in England there is no need for this criterium.

The Brisith are not a race, so it is not raicm.


Some people use the term racism when describing people's actions/words in regards to nationalities as well. I have bolded the relevant part. And yes, hopefully the UK will soon foster the encouragement of foreign languages in high schools.

Thanks for admiting.

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Postby Malgrave » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:15 pm

Great Agram wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
The Belgians rounded up Conglaniese and forced them to work as slaves with the threat of death or mutilation if they disobeyed I am not saying the British have a perfect record cause we dont be are better than that.

The British did it first, may I remember you that congo became belgian long after Britain did.


Please read what people are telling you.

- The First Internment Camp was Russia, the second American and the third Spanish
- The first externmination camp was German.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Isla ... ation_Camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_genocide

Polish historian Władysław Konopczyński has suggested the first concentration camps were created in Poland in the 18th century, during the Bar Confederation rebellion, when the Russian Empire established three concentration camps for Polish rebel captives awaiting deportation to Siberia.

The earliest of these camps may have been those set up in the United States for Cherokee and other Native Americans in the 1830s; however, the term originated in the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) set up by the Spanish military in Cuba during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878) and by the United States during the Philippine–American War (1899–1902)


The United Kingdom has already admitted and apologized for it's past. Your comments are just Argentine nationalism supported to pull attention away from other matters. Also what Caragonia said.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:16 pm

Great Agram wrote:
Caragonia wrote:
Well, let's see. We've not got any countries with different primary languages with a land border next to us, seeing as we're an island, we've been quite isolationist throughout history before the late 1700's, the majority of the world's population can at least understand English, and the study of foreign languages is chronically underestimated in the UK. Personally I did five years of German and have attempted to learn Cyrillic and Latin, though I understand I am the minority.

Actually, that is the widely accepted secondary use of the term racism in my personal experience here on NSG. Personally I believe it should be termed ethnicist, but that's gone nowhere.

Now here's a question; Why have you taken the explanation that this is an English-language forum, and turned it into 'All English people are either uneducated or racist for not speaking foreign languages'? Have you considered that it's a simple matter of convenience on the forum to use English?

There is no problem with the forum, the official language is english and that is ok.


So why did you even bring up this thread-jack when the quoted poster wasn't English and wasn't talking about the use of other languages in England?

My point in every country every person must speak at least one foreign language fluent

Why? I know many French people who know little or no English but I don't blame them for it.

in England there is no need for this criterium.

But you just said that there is a need :blink:

The Brisith are not a race, so it is not raicm.


As I and Caragonia have said before, I meant "racist" in the national context, not the ethnic context.
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Postby Great Agram » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:16 pm

Malgrave wrote:
Great Agram wrote:Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.


No. The Russians used internment camps to house Polish troublemakers in the 1800's and the Americans used them to intern Native Americans and Phillipino's during the Phillipines War not to mention the Spanish used then in Cuba during the Ten Years War.

All before the Boer War so stop it with your nationalist propaganda.

Oh the irony. Who send nationalists in the european parliament? (hint: BNP)

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Postby Caragonia » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:17 pm

Great Agram wrote:
Caragonia wrote:
Some people use the term racism when describing people's actions/words in regards to nationalities as well. I have bolded the relevant part. And yes, hopefully the UK will soon foster the encouragement of foreign languages in high schools.

Thanks for admiting.


Admitting that foreign languages need to be better supported in our education system? It's an annual topic for the Ministry of Education for all intent and purposes.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:19 pm

Great Agram wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
No. The Russians used internment camps to house Polish troublemakers in the 1800's and the Americans used them to intern Native Americans and Phillipino's during the Phillipines War not to mention the Spanish used then in Cuba during the Ten Years War.

All before the Boer War so stop it with your nationalist propaganda.

Oh the irony. Who send nationalists in the european parliament? (hint: BNP)


Are those nationalists advocating re-annexing India?

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Postby Avenio » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:19 pm

Okay, what does Britain's 70-year-old colonial actions in Africa, the BNP and concentration camps have to do with their claim on the Falklands, exactly?

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:20 pm

Great Agram wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
No. The Russians used internment camps to house Polish troublemakers in the 1800's and the Americans used them to intern Native Americans and Phillipino's during the Phillipines War not to mention the Spanish used then in Cuba during the Ten Years War.

All before the Boer War so stop it with your nationalist propaganda.

Oh the irony. Who send nationalists in the european parliament? (hint: BNP)


Every country has its racist minorities, I don't see what point you're trying to make. And besides, the BNP have no (0%, nothing, rien) members in the British government.
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Postby Great Agram » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:20 pm

Avenio wrote:Okay, what does Britain's 70-year-old colonial actions in Africa, the BNP and concentration camps have to do with their claim on the Falklands, exactly?

Ok, you are right. it is off-topic

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Postby Malgrave » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:25 pm

Avenio wrote:Okay, what does Britain's 70-year-old colonial actions in Africa, the BNP and concentration camps have to do with their claim on the Falklands, exactly?


Nothing. Agram just thought that the British had the first internment camp during the Boer war when in reality the Russians, Americans and Spanish had them before the United Kingdom.

Apparently that alone should mean that the UK has no claim to the Falklands.
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Postby Great Agram » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:26 pm

Malgrave wrote:
Avenio wrote:Okay, what does Britain's 70-year-old colonial actions in Africa, the BNP and concentration camps have to do with their claim on the Falklands, exactly?


Nothing. Agram just thought that the British had the first internment camp during the Boer war when in reality the Russians, Americans and Spanish had them before the United Kingdom.

Apparently that alone should mean that the UK has no claim to the Falklands.

Should germany have claim on East Prussia?

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Postby Malgrave » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:27 pm

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Great Agram wrote:Oh the irony. Who send nationalists in the european parliament? (hint: BNP)


Every country has its racist minorities, I don't see what point you're trying to make. And besides, the BNP have no (0%, nothing, rien) members in the British government.


Indeed. They don't have any MP's in parliament and have been reduced to 8 representatives in a system of over 21,000. I smiled a lot when the BNP candidates lost badly during the last election.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:29 pm

Great Agram wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
Nothing. Agram just thought that the British had the first internment camp during the Boer war when in reality the Russians, Americans and Spanish had them before the United Kingdom.

Apparently that alone should mean that the UK has no claim to the Falklands.

Should germany have claim on East Prussia?


If 99,9 % of the inhabitants of East Prussia would identify as Germans and want to belong to Germany, I'd say yes.
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