Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[The Realm of God]

Well, the bolded isn't really any different from any nation-state in the world, especially considering one of the things humans are best at is killing each other.

And we were the UK when we had the Empire anyway.

Lol

No, stop relativising by giving the etikete to the others. Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece and other land regarged by the British as primitive had not an colonial Empire.We all know who did the worst crimes in Africa.

Who Belgium and Germany had the worst human rights record in Africa.

And about English people not speaking other languages I speak English French and Serbian and I am learning Pashto

[Caragonia]

Well, the bolded isn't really any different from any nation-state in the world, especially considering one of the things humans are best at is killing each other.

And we were the UK when we had the Empire anyway.

Lol

No, stop relativising by giving the etikete to the others. Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece and other land regarged by the British as primitive had not an colonial Empire.We all know who did the worst crimes in Africa.

Yep. The Congolese will never forgive the Belgians.

[SD_Film Artists]

Well, the bolded isn't really any different from any nation-state in the world, especially considering one of the things humans are best at is killing each other.

And we were the UK when we had the Empire anyway.

Lol

No, stop relativising by giving the etikete to the others. Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece and other land regarged by the British as primitive had not an colonial Empire.We all know who did the worst crimes in Africa.

Because African warlords were/are so lovely

And what Caragonia said.

[Malgrave]

Well, the bolded isn't really any different from any nation-state in the world, especially considering one of the things humans are best at is killing each other.

And we were the UK when we had the Empire anyway.

Lol

No, stop relativising by giving the etikete to the others. Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece and other land regarged by the British as primitive had not an colonial Empire.We all know who did the worst crimes in Africa.

and? Various European powers looked down upon Eastern Europe as simply a smelting pot of instability and possible conflict and rightly so considering the Balkan Wars of the 1900's and one of the very reasons for the starting of the First World War. You'll also notice that the Italians, French, Portuguese, Belgian and Spanish Empires committed various atrocities in Africa before de-colonization.

Seeing as you wish to see Spanish claims on the Falkland Islands are your own then surely then you must accept some Spanish atrocities in Africa as Argentinian crimes by the same logic.

[Solar]

True, but it would still be wrong for Argentina to do it. The US could ruin the Canadian economy with similar measures, but that does not make it right. And the US has just as much if not more claim to Canada.

To counteract this, the British should try to better develop the Falkland economy, make it more self-sufficient, and increase trade links between the Falklands and South Africa and Chile.

These irredentist based claims that are causing much global instability are utterly ridiculous and dangerous. Imagine if all the European countries tried to reclaim every piece of land they or their predecessors once controlled.

Argentina has no legitimate claim at all. Even if they did once control it, that still gives them no right to reclaim it. Claiming a historical right is even less legitimate (multiple states and groups can claim a similar conflicting right to any piece of land in the world, so EVERY border would be in dispute), and the Argentine claim is dubious at best. If everyone followed the Argentine example of arbitrarily claiming nearby land the world would be in dire straits. The Argentinians sound like Stalin, Mussolini or Adolf Hitler (or the PRC). Such behavior is no longer acceptable in the modern world.

Argentina has a perfectly legitimate claim, as strong as that of pre-decolonialization Kenya or Zimbabwe. The islands have and will remain to have far stronger ties to Argentina than Britian. If Britain was to suddenly cut all contact with the islands, they would get by. If Argentina done the same, the islands would collapse.

The main problem really is that Britain hasn't developed the Falklands. They still depend on Argentine ports and air services for the majority of trade, and why go to South Africa for trade when there is a perfect partner a few hundred miles away that you can win over with some form of agreement to return the islands if Britain can get down of its colonial high horse.

You failed to address how the Argentinian claim is any better than Nazi Germany’s claim to the Czech lands, Poland, etc. Or the Soviet claim to the Baltic States, Eastern Europe, Finland etc. Or the Fascist Italian claim to Albania, Ethiopia, Greece, Egypt, etc. You cannot, because the Argentinian claim is just as farcical.
Instead you cite independence movements based on popular sovereignty and self-determination. Do you believe in popular sovereignty and self-determination? If you claim to oppose colonialism you have to. Well the Falklands have a right to NOT be part of Argentina. Making the Falklands into an Argentinian colony against the will of the local population, is well, COLONIALISM! You, and Argentina, need to get off your “colonial high horse”, not the British.

And again, explain to me how this works. You claim that Argentina has a right to the Falkland Islands because they or their predecessor state once controlled it. Well the US once controlled the Philippines, so should the US blockade and invade them? Germany once controlled, all or large parts of what is now Poland, Austria, France, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands. And incidentally France did too. So you have mutually exclusive claims. Should every country in the world have a massive battle royal then? Look up Alsace Lorraine, should Germany blockade it as well? Borders change; you and the Argentinians need to get over it.

I agree the British failure to develop the islands is an issue, which is why I suggest the British correct it. And geographic proximity is not everything in global trade; look at the trade between China and the US, or India and the US. Your biggest trade partners do not have to be geographically close. The Falkland Islands need to diversify their trade, and Chile and South Africa are probably the best options.

[Cromarty]

No we keep it because the people there want to be British.

Because the people there are British and colonists.There is a high bias. The argument is really stupid.

Do those living there want to remain British? Yes they do.

Thus there's no controversy at all.

[SD_Film Artists]

Because the people there are British and colonists.There is a high bias. The argument is really stupid.

Do those living there want to remain British? Yes they do.

Thus there's no controversy at all.

But you forget, self-determination and international law only counts if Argentina agrees with it..

[Malgrave]

I think every Argentinian should visit the ruins Port Egmont built in 1766.

[Fartsniffage]

I think every Argentinian should visit the ruins Port Egmont built in 1766.

Don't say that. It'll just let them invade by the back door.

One minute it's a bunch of school kids bored by an old port and the next they all whip out rifles and start conquering shit.

[Malgrave]

I think every Argentinian should visit the ruins Port Egmont built in 1766.

Don't say that. It'll just let them invade by the back door.

One minute it's a bunch of school kids bored by an old port and the next they all whip out rifles and start conquering shit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/2 ... -argentina

Hopefully the new generation are starting to see the truth.

[Great Agram]

and? Various European powers looked down upon Eastern Europe as simply a smelting pot of instability and possible conflict and rightly so considering the Balkan Wars of the 1900's and one of the very reasons for the starting of the First World War. You'll also notice that the Italians, French, Portuguese, Belgian and Spanish Empires committed various atrocities in Africa before de-colonization.

Seeing as you wish to see Spanish claims on the Falkland Islands are your own then surely then you must accept some Spanish atrocities in Africa as Argentinian crimes by the same logic.

Lol

No, stop relativising by giving the etikete to the others. Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece and other land regarged by the British as primitive had not an colonial Empire.We all know who did the worst crimes in Africa.

Yep. The Congolese will never forgive the Belgians.

if I answer you it will be considering as trolling so I would prefer not to answe cause some poeple may be ofendend.

[SD_Film Artists]

Yep. The Congolese will never forgive the Belgians.

if I answer you it will be considering as trolling so I would prefer not to answe cause some poeple may be ofendend.

As long as you 'attack the argument and not the poster', it will be fine. Unless of course, you plan to make racist statements again.

[Machtergreifung]

Argentina has a perfectly legitimate claim, as strong as that of pre-decolonialization Kenya or Zimbabwe. The islands have and will remain to have far stronger ties to Argentina than Britian. If Britain was to suddenly cut all contact with the islands, they would get by. If Argentina done the same, the islands would collapse.

The main problem really is that Britain hasn't developed the Falklands. They still depend on Argentine ports and air services for the majority of trade, and why go to South Africa for trade when there is a perfect partner a few hundred miles away that you can win over with some form of agreement to return the islands if Britain can get down of its colonial high horse.

You failed to address how the Argentinian claim is any better than Nazi Germany’s claim to the Czech lands, Poland, etc. Or the Soviet claim to the Baltic States, Eastern Europe, Finland etc. Or the Fascist Italian claim to Albania, Ethiopia, Greece, Egypt, etc. You cannot, because the Argentinian claim is just as farcical.
Instead you cite independence movements based on popular sovereignty and self-determination. Do you believe in popular sovereignty and self-determination? If you claim to oppose colonialism you have to. Well the Falklands have a right to NOT be part of Argentina. Making the Falklands into an Argentinian colony against the will of the local population, is well, COLONIALISM! You, and Argentina, need to get off your “colonial high horse”, not the British.

And again, explain to me how this works. You claim that Argentina has a right to the Falkland Islands because they or their predecessor state once controlled it. Well the US once controlled the Philippines, so should the US blockade and invade them? Germany once controlled, all or large parts of what is now Poland, Austria, France, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands. And incidentally France did too. So you have mutually exclusive claims. Should every country in the world have a massive battle royal then? Look up Alsace Lorraine, should Germany blockade it as well? Borders change; you and the Argentinians need to get over it.

I agree the British failure to develop the islands is an issue, which is why I suggest the British correct it. And geographic proximity is not everything in global trade; look at the trade between China and the US, or India and the US. Your biggest trade partners do not have to be geographically close. The Falkland Islands need to diversify their trade, and Chile and South Africa are probably the best options.

Original inhabitants were of mixed origin, depended on Buenos Aries for everything.
Various things happen, Spanish/Argentine colony is destroyed, islands left abandoned.
British sweep in, import settlers, Rule Britannia.


See where the problem is?

[Caragonia]

You failed to address how the Argentinian claim is any better than Nazi Germany’s claim to the Czech lands, Poland, etc. Or the Soviet claim to the Baltic States, Eastern Europe, Finland etc. Or the Fascist Italian claim to Albania, Ethiopia, Greece, Egypt, etc. You cannot, because the Argentinian claim is just as farcical.
Instead you cite independence movements based on popular sovereignty and self-determination. Do you believe in popular sovereignty and self-determination? If you claim to oppose colonialism you have to. Well the Falklands have a right to NOT be part of Argentina. Making the Falklands into an Argentinian colony against the will of the local population, is well, COLONIALISM! You, and Argentina, need to get off your “colonial high horse”, not the British.

And again, explain to me how this works. You claim that Argentina has a right to the Falkland Islands because they or their predecessor state once controlled it. Well the US once controlled the Philippines, so should the US blockade and invade them? Germany once controlled, all or large parts of what is now Poland, Austria, France, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands. And incidentally France did too. So you have mutually exclusive claims. Should every country in the world have a massive battle royal then? Look up Alsace Lorraine, should Germany blockade it as well? Borders change; you and the Argentinians need to get over it.

I agree the British failure to develop the islands is an issue, which is why I suggest the British correct it. And geographic proximity is not everything in global trade; look at the trade between China and the US, or India and the US. Your biggest trade partners do not have to be geographically close. The Falkland Islands need to diversify their trade, and Chile and South Africa are probably the best options.

Original inhabitants were of mixed origin, depended on Buenos Aries for everything.
Various things happen, Spanish/Argentine colony is destroyed, islands left abandoned.
British sweep in, import settlers, Rule Britannia.

See where the problem is?

There's a problem here, and it's the fact you're ignoring what other posters say in order to continue pressing mixed facts;

Go look at a map, then read on how the Argentine settlers got turffed off. Then tell me who should own it.

So, the USN evicted the Argentinian settlers and that's somehow our fault, and the Argentinians 'inherited' the Spanish claim, which was derived from the French claim after Britain had also claimed the Islands, and we still didn't get there first? Their claim is based on two other countries claims, neither of which are are direct predecessors of modern Argentina, and we're in the wrong?

Somehow, I don't think so.

[SD_Film Artists]

Was Argentina's inheritance of the Falklands explicitly mentioned by Spain? Not that it matters anyway as many posters here have already shown how it wasn't even Spain's land to give away in the first place, but I'm curious.

[Great Agram]

if I answer you it will be considering as trolling so I would prefer not to answe cause some poeple may be ofendend.

As long as you 'attack the argument and not the poster', it will be fine. Unless of course, you plan to make racist statements again.

Be honest, how many english people know a foreing language?

And no, it is not rasict cause you are not race (although you may so consider yourself)

[Great Agram]

Because the people there are British and colonists.There is a high bias. The argument is really stupid.

Do those living there want to remain British? Yes they do.

Thus there's no controversy at all.

Are the settlers British or not? Is it posible that Britain in meanwhile colonise more British there? yes

[The Realm of God]

As long as you 'attack the argument and not the poster', it will be fine. Unless of course, you plan to make racist statements again.

Be honest, how many english people know a foreing language?

And no, it is not rasict cause you are not race (although you may so consider yourself)

My earlier post I speak several languages and I am Scottish/English.

'And about English people not speaking other languages I speak English French and Serbian and I am learning Pashto.'

[SD_Film Artists]

As long as you 'attack the argument and not the poster', it will be fine. Unless of course, you plan to make racist statements again.

Be honest, how many english people know a foreing language?

And no, it is not rasict cause you are not race (although you may so consider yourself)

Myself (I'm learning French), and other friends and family who at least know the essential basics if not actually fluent. Though having said that, it is true that many English British people don't bother to learn another language because it's so widely used in other countries. How are those who aren't bi/multi-lingual "uneducated". I hope you're saying that they're simply uneducated in the use of other languages..

Don't be pedantic, I meant that in the national sense not the ethnic sense.

And besides, your post wasn't even relivant to what you were quoting. The other poster was Argentinian and he was talking about how this is an English forum.

[Caragonia]

As long as you 'attack the argument and not the poster', it will be fine. Unless of course, you plan to make racist statements again.

Be honest, how many english people know a foreing language?

And no, it is not rasict cause you are not race (although you may so consider yourself)

Well, let's see. We've not got any countries with different primary languages with a land border next to us, seeing as we're an island, we've been quite isolationist throughout history before the late 1700's, the majority of the world's population can at least understand English, and the study of foreign languages is chronically underestimated in the UK. Personally I did five years of German and have attempted to learn Cyrillic and Latin, though I understand I am the minority.

Actually, that is the widely accepted secondary use of the term racism in my personal experience here on NSG. Personally I believe it should be termed ethnicist, but that's gone nowhere.

Now here's a question; Why have you taken the explanation that this is an English-language forum, and turned it into 'All English people are either uneducated or racist for not speaking foreign languages'? Have you considered that it's a simple matter of convenience on the forum to use English?

[Great Agram]

Lol

No, stop relativising by giving the etikete to the others. Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece and other land regarged by the British as primitive had not an colonial Empire.We all know who did the worst crimes in Africa.

Because African warlords were/are so lovely

And what Caragonia said.

You are saying that was ok to kill african cause they were primitive?

[SD_Film Artists]

Because African warlords were/are so lovely

And what Caragonia said.

You are saying that was ok to kill african cause they were primitive?

No, when did I say that?

[Great Agram]

Lol

No, stop relativising by giving the etikete to the others. Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece and other land regarged by the British as primitive had not an colonial Empire.We all know who did the worst crimes in Africa.

Who Belgium and Germany had the worst human rights record in Africa.

And about English people not speaking other languages I speak English French and Serbian and I am learning Pashto

Not really, the british were the first who invent the concentration camps during the boers wars. The fact is saying for itself who was the worst.

[Malgrave]

I learnt German from my first year of high school until I started GCSE's and started learning French in my second year (because I was in the top set for German *ego boost).

[Caragonia]

Because African warlords were/are so lovely

And what Caragonia said.

You are saying that was ok to kill african cause they were primitive?

Nope. SD Film Artists instead pointed out that;
A. Other empires throughout the centuries have killed Africans, often in greater numbers/more horrific ways than the British.
B. The African continent itself is quite divided along ethnic lines, in that respect it reminds me of Europe in the Dark Ages to the Early Middle Ages.