Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[Beringovia]

I found another island claim problem which was solved after many decades. Maybe, the UK. and Argentina can use it to solve there problems.

The river Island claims were between China and Russia.There arguments seems to almost parallel the UK. and Argentine arguments. Just change the names of the nations from China and Russia to Argentina and the UK. and you would not know the difference. Both sides fought a war in 1969 over the islands. Just like the UK. and Argentina did in 1982. And that the Russian inhabitants of the islands wanted to stay with Russia. Just like the Falkland islanders who want to remain part of the UK.

And how did they solve it. By compromising.

The deal ended a disagreement that in 1969 led to a brief shooting war between the two countries over some contested islands along the Amur River. According to the Chinese media, the Russian government made the most concessions, yielding half of Heixiazi (Bolshoi Ussuriysky in Russian) island and all of Yinlong (Tarabarov) island. As a result, the Russian government withdrew its official presence from 174 square km (67 square miles) of territory that had been the site of bloody clashes in 1969. One reason why this last segment of the frontier along northeast China proved the most challenging to resolve was that the Heixiazi/Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island involves inhabited lands. Since the small Russian community on the island did not want to relocate or become part of China, the two governments drew the boundary in such a way that the populated areas fell within the new Russian half of the island.

The Chinese name for the island which was divided was Heixiazi. The Russians called that island Bolshoi Ussuriysky.

So give Argentina all the uninhabited parts of the Falkland islands.

And Heixiazi/Bolshoi Ussuriysky island is being turned into a major tourist area. China has spent 1.5 billion in infrastructure. Russians are also involved.

It is a cooperative work between China and Russia to launch "One island, two countries” tourism program on Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island. And it is the first in the world to carry out such kind of joint tourism program.

Story - http://www.travellinkdaily.com/EN/WebSi ... 45&FID=369

Thats all well and good, but a solution that is appropriate for a few uninhabited river islands on the Russian-Chinese border doesn't necessarily apply to a group of inhabited islands who's inhabitants have expressed a clear preference over which country they wish to have soverignty over them.

[Individual Impersonators]

I found another island claim problem which was solved after many decades. Maybe, the UK. and Argentina can use it to solve there problems.

The river Island claims were between China and Russia.There arguments seems to almost parallel the UK. and Argentine arguments. Just change the names of the nations from China and Russia to Argentina and the UK. and you would not know the difference. Both sides fought a war in 1969 over the islands. Just like the UK. and Argentina did in 1982. And that the Russian inhabitants of the islands wanted to stay with Russia. Just like the Falkland islanders who want to remain part of the UK.

And how did they solve it. By compromising.



The Chinese name for the island which was divided was Heixiazi. The Russians called that island Bolshoi Ussuriysky.

So give Argentina all the uninhabited parts of the Falkland islands.

And Heixiazi/Bolshoi Ussuriysky island is being turned into a major tourist area. China has spent 1.5 billion in infrastructure. Russians are also involved.



Story - http://www.travellinkdaily.com/EN/WebSi ... 45&FID=369

Thats all well and good, but a solution that is appropriate for a few uninhabited river islands on the Russian-Chinese border doesn't necessarily apply to a group of inhabited islands who's inhabitants have expressed a clear preference over which country they wish to have soverignty over them.

An Island occupied by people claiming to be russian is divided to give unoccupied land to the Chinese?

Considering these are river Islands the shape will change in the future. What does that mean for the Island inhabitants? Is any populated area of the island always going to be Russian?
All I see is a good short term sollution. One side needs to cave in and if you have no people wanting to be citizens on that Island I would say the person who should cave in is you.

[Beringovia]

Thats all well and good, but a solution that is appropriate for a few uninhabited river islands on the Russian-Chinese border doesn't necessarily apply to a group of inhabited islands who's inhabitants have expressed a clear preference over which country they wish to have soverignty over them.

An Island occupied by people claiming to be russian is divided to give unoccupied land to the Chinese?

Considering these are river Islands the shape will change in the future. What does that mean for the Island inhabitants? Is any populated area of the island always going to be Russian?
All I see is a good short term sollution. One side needs to cave in and if you have no people wanting to be citizens on that Island I would say the person who should cave in is you.

I was under the impression that the island was uninhabited, but I could be mistaken. Still, it isn't quite the same situation, since the inhabitants would only have to relocate a couple of miles to be back in Mother Russia.

[Melmont]

As the Falkland Islands currently belong to Britain, they should have all the same political freedoms and civil rights as British citizens, and as such should have the ability to choose which country they want to belong too. If Argentina decides to invade the Falkland Islands, or set their military in a non-defensive stance towards the islands as in 1982, its will naturally be British prerogative to retaliate.

On a more realistic approach, the only real reason that Britain itself holds onto the Falkland Islands is because of the Oil Reserves around it.

[Farnhamia]

As the Falkland Islands currently belong to Britain, they should have all the same political freedoms and civil rights as British citizens, and as such should have the ability to choose which country they want to belong too. If Argentina decides to invade the Falkland Islands, or set their military in a non-defensive stance towards the islands as in 1982, its will naturally be British prerogative to retaliate.

On a more realistic approach, the only real reason that Britain itself holds onto the Falkland Islands is because of the Oil Reserves around it.

Uhm ... Falkland Islanders are certainly British citizens but as for the right to decide which country to belong to ... I suppose they could individually decide to become, say, Ugandan citizens. Most countries like an applicant to actually move there and contribute, though. What I mean is, even if a majority of the Falklanders suddenly up and decide they're going to be Argentine, they don't actually have the right to alienate a physical part of the United Kingdom. It would be like the people of Tyneside deciding ... well, I can't find a proper Geordie site, but that they wanted to be Finnish.

[SD_Film Artists]

On a more realistic approach, the only real reason that Britain itself holds onto the Falkland Islands is because of the Oil Reserves around it.

Those oil reserves were found to be too small and/or dispersed to be commercialy viable, and the oil reserves weren't even known about during the Falklands war. The real reason is that Britain, while accepting that it's not a superpower anymore, still doesn't want to be seen to be pushed around by some South American Junta whose armed forces consisted of conscripts and WW2 era vessals. Curiously though, both sides used the FAL as a standard infantry weapon, which I guess came in useful when low on ammo.

Or in the words of Admiral Sir Henry Leach: Because if we do not [liberate the Falklands], or if we pussyfoot in our actions and do not achieve complete success, in another few months we shall be living in a different country whose word counts for little.


If you have to give a materialistic factor to defending the Falklands, there is also the issue of British Antarctic territory.

[Samuraikoku]

What's the Spanish for "kamikaze"?

A literal translation of kami (God) and kaze (wind), would be "viento (wind) de Dios (god)".

There's no specific term for a suicide warrior, we'd just say "guerrero suicida".

[Zeppy]

Like Finland and Australia, Argentina isn't even a real country.

[Kirrig]

But, if you use your brain, and read other wikipedia articles:

Debo informaros que he recibido órdenes de S.E. el Comandante en Jefe de las fuerzas navales de S.M.B., estacionadas en América del Sur, para hacer efectivo el derecho de soberanía de S.M.B. sobre las Islas Malvinas.
Siendo mi intención izar mañana el pabellón de la Gran Bretaña en el territorio, os pido tengais a bien arriar el vuestro y retirar vuestras fuerzas con todos los objetos pertenecientes a vuestro gobierno.
Soy, Señor, vuestro humilde y muy obediente servidor.

J. Onslow
A.S.E. el Comandante de las Fuerzas de Buenos Aires en Puerto Louis [Soledad], Berkeley Sound115
Pinedo estaba en inferioridad de condiciones: contaba con un buque de capacidad bélica mucho menor, y la mayoría de su tripulación era de origen británico. La legislación británica contemplaba el delito de alta traición para los nativos de ese país que se alzaran contra la corona. La mayoría de los hombres dijo estar dispuesta a combatir, pero la resistencia fue insuficiente. [cita requerida] Los ingleses desembarcaron en la mañana del 3 de enero de 1833; primero izaron su bandera y luego arriaron la argentina. Dos días después Pinedo abandonó las islas a bordo de la Sarandí llevando consigo a un grupo relativamente numeroso de colonos rioplatenses.116

After the rebellion of the ARGENTINIAN natives (Gauchos and Charrúas):

Smith centró sus esfuerzos en restaurar el establecimiento de Port Louis, al que renombró Anson's Harbour. Fue sucedido por los tenientes Robert Lowcay en abril de 1838 y John Tyssen en diciembre de ese mismo año. Estas autoridades negaron a Vernet sus reiteradas solicitudes para volver a asentarse en las instalaciones de las que era dueño, con el argumento de que se trataba de un "intruso". Finalmente, tras una visita a Londres, obtuvo una escasa compensación monetaria por la pérdida de sus caballos, pero se le negó una ampliación de la indemnización por los demás daños

The articles are in spanish, if you can´t spend a second of your life reading other articles, and if you think that wikipedia is the only source of information and is always right, do you think I will waste my time translating the articles for you? USE THE GOOGLE TRANSLATOR

Yes I can see that they are in Spanish. If they something different... cool for you.

If you want another source I turn to Britannica. (15th edition.)

The British, in 1765, were the first to settle West Falkland. They were driven off in 1770, however, by Spanish troops, Spain having bought out the French. War between Britain and Spain was only averted when Spain agreed to return "the port and the fort called Egmont" to the British. For economy the British naval garrison was withdrawn in 1774, leaving a plaque claiming full sovereignty over all the Falklands for the British Crown. Spain maintained its settlement until 1806, when an uprising against against Spanish authority broke out in Buenos Aires province, Argentina. Spain made no further claim to jurisdiction, but in 1816 the United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata claimed to succeed Spain in sovereignty over the Falklands and took possession of Soledad in 1820. A local governor was installed in 1828. Four years later the British government reasserted its claims to the Falklands, and in 1833 a British force peacefully expelled th eArgentine soldiers and their vessel from Soledad and raised the British flag. The British prime minister said in 1834 that the British were not prepared to permit "any other state to exercise a right as derived from Spain, which Britain had denied to Spain herself."

I will repost this as it seems to have been ignored again and again.

Spain was lucky that their actions in the Falklands didn't lead to an all out war with an Empire they probably would not have been able to beat. Which is funny because the original colonialist power was SPAIN.

(Now, excuse any typos in the quote, I had to type it out word for word and I am not brilliant at typing.)

[Argentine Armed Forces]

Like Finland and Australia, Argentina isn't even a real country.

Trolls, trolls everywhere

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

to be fair NS has always had an eclectic mix nationalities. Certainly the language is mainly english but so what if some people struggle? Even some *cough* native speakers struggle

Cuando sepan escribir en un lenguaje Español decente , les respondo ,JAJA

El foro es en ingles. Si no te parece, no es necesario que respondas. Sencillo, no?

[Kirrig]

Cuando sepan escribir en un lenguaje Español decente , les respondo ,JAJA

El foro es en ingles. Si no te parece, no es necesario que respondas. Sencillo, no?

Okay. I'm going to assume using my extremely rudimentary knowledge of Spanish that the words English, yes, respond, no, necessary and silence are used in this sentence.

The forum is in English. If you think, does not need to respond. Simple, no?

Google Translate agrees with me mostly. Not bad considering I had ones year worth of highly basic instruction in 2007. Not good by any means though.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

El foro es en ingles. Si no te parece, no es necesario que respondas. Sencillo, no?

Okay. I'm going to assume using my extremely rudimentary knowledge of Spanish that the words English, yes, respond, no, necessary and silence are used in this sentence.

The forum is in English. If you think, does not need to respond. Simple, no?

Google Translate agrees with me mostly. Not bad considering I had ones year worth of highly basic instruction in 2007. Not good by any means though.

I basically said that the forum is in English. If he doesn't like that (since he expected to be answered in Spanish), he doesn't need to post.

But yes, your understanding is rather good.

[Kirrig]

Okay. I'm going to assume using my extremely rudimentary knowledge of Spanish that the words English, yes, respond, no, necessary and silence are used in this sentence.

The forum is in English. If you think, does not need to respond. Simple, no?

Google Translate agrees with me mostly. Not bad considering I had ones year worth of highly basic instruction in 2007. Not good by any means though.

I basically said that the forum is in English. If he doesn't like that (since he expected to be answered in Spanish), he doesn't need to post.

But yes, your understanding is rather good.

Do you want to know how I managed make that guess as good as it was? I just looked for words similar enough to ones in English. It helped that I had that very poor year of instruction of in Spanish.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I basically said that the forum is in English. If he doesn't like that (since he expected to be answered in Spanish), he doesn't need to post.

But yes, your understanding is rather good.

Do you want to know how I managed make that guess as good as it was? I just looked for words similar enough to ones in English. It helped that I had that very poor year of instruction of in Spanish.

Oh yeah, that can help a lot. I've heard several English speakers do exactly that in order to get the gist of a particular phrase in Spanish or French.

[Kirrig]

Do you want to know how I managed make that guess as good as it was? I just looked for words similar enough to ones in English. It helped that I had that very poor year of instruction of in Spanish.

Oh yeah, that can help a lot. I've heard several English speakers do exactly that in order to get the gist of a particular phrase in Spanish or French.

It can help, but there a lot of French words in English that no longer exist in France at all or with the same meaning. And then there are words that look the same but are very different. False cognates I think they're called.

Two of my friends are getting very good at Spanish... it can be easier to learn Spanish and French than German, for native English speakers. Which makes sense only when you understand the true extent of romantic influence. There is a wiki that tries to use only Germanic origin words. It is amazingly different.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh yeah, that can help a lot. I've heard several English speakers do exactly that in order to get the gist of a particular phrase in Spanish or French.

It can help, but there a lot of French words in English that no longer exist in France at all or with the same meaning. And then there are words that look the same but are very different. False cognates I think they're called.

Two of my friends are getting very good at Spanish... it can be easier to learn Spanish and French than German, for native English speakers. Which makes sense only when you understand the true extent of romantic influence. There is a wiki that tries to use only Germanic origin words. It is amazingly different.

I studied some Old English, which bears more resemblance to it's Germanic counterpart than it does in it's modern version, and I agree with you. It sounds and reads completely different, to the pint where I can't follow nor understand it.

But we're digressing a tad.

[Forster Keys]

Oh yeah, that can help a lot. I've heard several English speakers do exactly that in order to get the gist of a particular phrase in Spanish or French.

It can help, but there a lot of French words in English that no longer exist in France at all or with the same meaning. And then there are words that look the same but are very different. False cognates I think they're called.

Two of my friends are getting very good at Spanish... it can be easier to learn Spanish and French than German, for native English speakers. Which makes sense only when you understand the true extent of romantic influence. There is a wiki that tries to use only Germanic origin words. It is amazingly different.

See the German word "gift".

[Kirrig]

It can help, but there a lot of French words in English that no longer exist in France at all or with the same meaning. And then there are words that look the same but are very different. False cognates I think they're called.

Two of my friends are getting very good at Spanish... it can be easier to learn Spanish and French than German, for native English speakers. Which makes sense only when you understand the true extent of romantic influence. There is a wiki that tries to use only Germanic origin words. It is amazingly different.

I studied some Old English, which bears more resemblance to it's Germanic counterpart than it does in it's modern version, and I agree with you. It sounds and reads completely different, to the pint where I can't follow nor understand it.

But we're digressing a tad.

In my experience as long as you do not digress to communism, capitalism or religion/evolution you're all good.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I studied some Old English, which bears more resemblance to it's Germanic counterpart than it does in it's modern version, and I agree with you. It sounds and reads completely different, to the pint where I can't follow nor understand it.

But we're digressing a tad.

In my experience as long as you do not digress to communism, capitalism or religion/evolution you're all good.

Then I shall be a Language Commie! RAR!!

No, what I mean is that maybe we should abandon this tangent and refocus on the FIs.

[Kirrig]

In my experience as long as you do not digress to communism, capitalism or religion/evolution you're all good.

Then I shall be a Language Commie! RAR!!

No, what I mean is that maybe we should abandon this tangent and refocus on the FIs.

A good idea. Although I've only ever seen one thread come back from communism without modly help.

The Falkland's are British. Half of the island has was always Britain's, the other is anyone else's only through highly tenuous claims.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Then I shall be a Language Commie! RAR!!

No, what I mean is that maybe we should abandon this tangent and refocus on the FIs.

A good idea. Although I've only ever seen one thread come back from communism without modly help.

The Falkland's are British. Half of the island has was always Britain's, the other is anyone else's only through highly tenuous claims.

That's what I have said before. The FIs are British, and it seems that, historically, the inhabitants have always considered themselves British. So what's Argentina crying about is beyond me.

[Argentine Armed Forces]

A good idea. Although I've only ever seen one thread come back from communism without modly help.

The Falkland's are British. Half of the island has was always Britain's, the other is anyone else's only through highly tenuous claims.

That's what I have said before. The FIs are British, and it seems that, historically, the inhabitants have always considered themselves British. So what's Argentina crying about is beyond me.

Hablás español....espero que no seas argentino.....que sos? un patriota o un cipayo? VENDEPATRIA! Si sos latinóamericano me das igual de asco....

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That's what I have said before. The FIs are British, and it seems that, historically, the inhabitants have always considered themselves British. So what's Argentina crying about is beyond me.

Hablás español....espero que no seas argentino.....que sos? un patriota o un cipayo? VENDEPATRIA! Si sos latinóamericano me das igual de asco....

Jajajaja!! Como si lo que piensas me importase un bledo.

[Argentine Armed Forces]

Hablás español....espero que no seas argentino.....que sos? un patriota o un cipayo? VENDEPATRIA! Si sos latinóamericano me das igual de asco....

Jajajaja!! Como si lo que piensas me importase un bledo.

Qué pasa? No hay nada para responder? Vas de intelectual y al menor planteo te desembarazás del tema....andá a hablar con tus camaradas ingleses....pelotudo!