Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If people bothered to do their homework.... they would see Britain's claim over the islands is shaky at best however Argentina's is no better. If the Argentinian attempt to regain control of the inslands in 1982 was illegal then the British attempt to re-establish control of the islands in 1833 must also be considered to be illegal. Consider also that the British made no formal claim of the islands until 1765, despite discovering it in 1690, by which time the French has already made a claim.

Thus neither Britain nor Argentina has any claim over the islands in my opinion. Falkland islanders can leave and give the islands back to France who was officially "there first"

France, I believe, relinquished its claim. Thus, the strongest claim is held by the British, the locally supported government.

Or, as it has been said by many, the will of the Islanders themselves who have, repeatedly, stated that they want to remain British. Theirs, IMO, is the only desire that matters.

[Vitaphone Racing]

If people bothered to do their homework.... they would see Britain's claim over the islands is shaky at best however Argentina's is no better. If the Argentinian attempt to regain control of the inslands in 1982 was illegal then the British attempt to re-establish control of the islands in 1833 must also be considered to be illegal. Consider also that the British made no formal claim of the islands until 1765, despite discovering it in 1690, by which time the French has already made a claim.

Thus neither Britain nor Argentina has any claim over the islands in my opinion. Falkland islanders can leave and give the islands back to France who was officially "there first"

France, I believe, relinquished its claim. Thus, the strongest claim is held by the British, the locally supported government.

France gave the Islands to Spain who never officially gave up the islands, or at least no more or less officially than the British when they departed in the 1770's. If you classify relinquish as abandoning the settlement, that means legal control over the islands rests with Argentina who were supposedly illegally expelled in 1833.

[Ceannairceach]

France, I believe, relinquished its claim. Thus, the strongest claim is held by the British, the locally supported government.

Or, as it has been said by many, the will of the Islanders themselves who have, repeatedly, stated that they want to remain British. Theirs, IMO, is the only desire that matters.

That is what I just said, Nana >_>

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Or, as it has been said by many, the will of the Islanders themselves who have, repeatedly, stated that they want to remain British. Theirs, IMO, is the only desire that matters.

That is what I just said, Nana >_>

You did? Sorry, I thought you were just saying that France relinquished its claim over the FIs. <.<

[Ceannairceach]

That is what I just said, Nana >_>

You did? Sorry, I thought you were just saying that France relinquished its claim over the FIs. <.<

Well, I did say that as well, but only to dismiss the claim via land ownership. Land claim over the Falklands are about as muddled as a tenth generation mutt. My next point, however, that the British are locally supported, and thus, maintain the strongest claim.

[Tagmatium]

Now we're planning on nuking them, apparently.

[Steel Horses]

It's unlikely Argentina will try their luck, militarily, in the Falklands again. Basically, their only option is to squeeze the Falklands economically as best they can.

[The Matthew Islands]

France gave the Islands to Spain who never officially gave up the islands, or at least no more or less officially than the British when they departed in the 1770's. If you classify relinquish as abandoning the settlement, that means legal control over the islands rests with Argentina who were supposedly illegally expelled in 1833.

The Argentinians left of their own free will IIRC.

[Novo Casttria]

I think I speak for all of us when I say that Argentina and everyone from there can fornicate themselves with an iron stick.

[New Falkland]

Now we're planning on nuking them, apparently.

Good riddance.

[Machtergreifung]

France gave the Islands to Spain who never officially gave up the islands, or at least no more or less officially than the British when they departed in the 1770's. If you classify relinquish as abandoning the settlement, that means legal control over the islands rests with Argentina who were supposedly illegally expelled in 1833.

The Argentinians left of their own free will IIRC.

The Americans or the British burned them out, can't remember which, but they set the colony on fire and kicked everyone off the island.

[Stormcloak island]

i think they should be independant

[Greater Manchester]

i think they should be independant

Despite the fact, as has been pointed out countless times in this thread, that they don't want to be?

[Ifreann]

If people bothered to do their homework.... they would see Britain's claim over the islands is shaky at best however Argentina's is no better. If the Argentinian attempt to regain control of the inslands in 1982 was illegal then the British attempt to re-establish control of the islands in 1833 must also be considered to be illegal. Consider also that the British made no formal claim of the islands until 1765, despite discovering it in 1690, by which time the French has already made a claim.

Thus neither Britain nor Argentina has any claim over the islands in my opinion. Falkland islanders can leave and give the islands back to France who was officially "there first"

Mmmmm, delicious irredentism.

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I think I speak for all of us when I say that Argentina and everyone from there can fornicate themselves with an iron stick.

You think wrong.

[Risottia]

Now we're planning on nuking them, apparently.

I don't think the Brits would send a ballistic sub over there: what's the point of getting near if you want to launch a ballistic missile?
Likely it's just nuclear-powered attack subs.

Anyway, any sub can carry a nuke. So just as most ships, most airplanes, and even some SPAA. Don't cry me a bucket Argentinaaaa...

[Ifreann]

Now we're planning on nuking them, apparently.

I don't think the Brits would send a ballistic sub over there: what's the point of getting near if you want to launch a ballistic missile?
Likely it's just nuclear-powered attack subs.

Anyway, any sub can carry a nuke. So just as most ships, most airplanes, and even some SPAA. Don't cry me a bucket Argentinaaaa...

If you put wheels on it, I could probably carry/drag a nuke.

[Risottia]

You `ve could still waiting.The worst thing is that you are Latin girl..

*whap* She's not a "Latin girl". She's a Spanish lady.

Now, rant harder. We're amused.

[Risottia]

I don't think the Brits would send a ballistic sub over there: what's the point of getting near if you want to launch a ballistic missile?
Likely it's just nuclear-powered attack subs.

Anyway, any sub can carry a nuke. So just as most ships, most airplanes, and even some SPAA. Don't cry me a bucket Argentinaaaa...

If you put wheels on it, I could probably carry/drag a nuke.

Totally.

Now, how many tractors, cars and carts are there on the Falklands? OMG EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM COULD BE CARRYING A NUKE! AIEEEE!!!

[Ifreann]

If you put wheels on it, I could probably carry/drag a nuke.

Totally.

Now, how many tractors, cars and carts are there on the Falklands? OMG EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM COULD BE CARRYING A NUKE! AIEEEE!!!

[Fnordgasm 5]

France, I believe, relinquished its claim. Thus, the strongest claim is held by the British, the locally supported government.

France gave the Islands to Spain who never officially gave up the islands, or at least no more or less officially than the British when they departed in the 1770's. If you classify relinquish as abandoning the settlement, that means legal control over the islands rests with Argentina who were supposedly illegally expelled in 1833.

If you're going to be technical France founded a colony on the East Falkland Island while the UK founded one on the West Falkland Island. France then sold it to Spain who then attacked the British colony. To avoid war the Spanish ceded sovereignty of the West Falkland Island to the UK. Apart from the Argentinian garrison and some colonists taken by the USS Lexington no actual colonists were expelled by the UK.

[Caragonia]

The Argentinians left of their own free will IIRC.

The Americans or the British burned them out, can't remember which, but they set the colony on fire and kicked everyone off the island.

This is a falsehood. Vernet, who led the then-current Argentinian settlement, had pirated a number of US sealing ships. When made aware of this, a USN ship, the USS Lexington under the command of Captain Silas Duncan, sailed for the Falklands from Buenos Aires. On the 31st December 1831 the Captain

"...took prisoner the seven men who had seized the three American ships – his visit to the Falklands is known as “the Lexington raid”, and resulted in a sharp dispute between the United States and Buenos Aires that lasted for a long time.2 To prevent further harassment of American ships, Duncan and Captain Davison of the Harriet announced (perhaps untruthfully) that the New York sealing ships would band together to punish the settlement, leading the inhabitants to believe it had no future.3 Duncan also declared that the islands were the “common property of all nations” (in harmony with United States government policy, which denied any territorial sovereignty there).

Duncan offered to take any who wished to leave back to Montevideo, and some 25 of the roughly 70 inhabitants took him up on the offer – he made a point of welcoming them aboard his ship. In addition, 13 out of Vernet’s 15 black slaves were taken aboard by Henry Metcalf, the American settlement manager. Two black women did not leave, however, and lived as free people in the Falklands for many more years; one of them (Gregoria Parry) died in Stanley almost 40 years later in 1871. The Lexington then sailed away with about 46 people from the settlement aboard: 7 prisoners, 13 slaves and 26 settlers including two German families with altogether 5 children, one English-speaking family with 4 children, and a Spanish-speaking couple with one child. Apart from the seven men arrested by Duncan, all were “nonprisoners” who left the islands semi-voluntarily (encouraged to leave by Duncan’s exaggerated rumours about the risks to the settlement). At least one family, from Italy, was glad to go.4 The departure of these people, including nearly all the European settlers, was a serious blow to Vernet’s settlement.

About 24 people remained in the settlement at Port Louis, most of them Spanish-speaking gauchos from Buenos Aires, who were Vernet’s employees, plus several Charrúa Indians, who had been at war with the Montevideo authorities and gone to the Falklands with Vernet to avoid being kept in prison. Captain Duncan released the “non-prisoners” at Montevideo and took the 7 prisoners to Rio de Janeiro, but they were taken back to Buenos Aires in another American warship5 and released. None had been harmed, and by the end of April 1832 all were free.

Once back in Buenos Aires, three of the “non-prisoners” and all 7 prisoners made sworn statements describing how Captain Duncan disabled the settlement’s cannons, burned its gunpowder and smashed its muskets – that of course was to prevent anyone in the Falklands from committing any more acts of aggression against American ships. Duncan also took away the property belonging to the seized American ships. But not one of those statements mentions any damage to the settlement’s buildings or facilities,6 and it is clear that no serious material damage was done – all the houses remained inhabitable, the settlement continued with a very much reduced population, and went on selling beef and supplies on Louis Vernet’s account."

[Machtergreifung]

The Americans or the British burned them out, can't remember which, but they set the colony on fire and kicked everyone off the island.

This is a falsehood. Vernet, who led the then-current Argentinian settlement, had pirated a number of US sealing ships. When made aware of this, a USN ship, the USS Lexington under the command of Captain Silas Duncan, sailed for the Falklands from Buenos Aires. On the 31st December 1831 the Captain

"...took prisoner the seven men who had seized the three American ships – his visit to the Falklands is known as “the Lexington raid”, and resulted in a sharp dispute between the United States and Buenos Aires that lasted for a long time.2 To prevent further harassment of American ships, Duncan and Captain Davison of the Harriet announced (perhaps untruthfully) that the New York sealing ships would band together to punish the settlement, leading the inhabitants to believe it had no future.3 Duncan also declared that the islands were the “common property of all nations” (in harmony with United States government policy, which denied any territorial sovereignty there).

Duncan offered to take any who wished to leave back to Montevideo, and some 25 of the roughly 70 inhabitants took him up on the offer – he made a point of welcoming them aboard his ship. In addition, 13 out of Vernet’s 15 black slaves were taken aboard by Henry Metcalf, the American settlement manager. Two black women did not leave, however, and lived as free people in the Falklands for many more years; one of them (Gregoria Parry) died in Stanley almost 40 years later in 1871. The Lexington then sailed away with about 46 people from the settlement aboard: 7 prisoners, 13 slaves and 26 settlers including two German families with altogether 5 children, one English-speaking family with 4 children, and a Spanish-speaking couple with one child. Apart from the seven men arrested by Duncan, all were “nonprisoners” who left the islands semi-voluntarily (encouraged to leave by Duncan’s exaggerated rumours about the risks to the settlement). At least one family, from Italy, was glad to go.4 The departure of these people, including nearly all the European settlers, was a serious blow to Vernet’s settlement.

About 24 people remained in the settlement at Port Louis, most of them Spanish-speaking gauchos from Buenos Aires, who were Vernet’s employees, plus several Charrúa Indians, who had been at war with the Montevideo authorities and gone to the Falklands with Vernet to avoid being kept in prison. Captain Duncan released the “non-prisoners” at Montevideo and took the 7 prisoners to Rio de Janeiro, but they were taken back to Buenos Aires in another American warship5 and released. None had been harmed, and by the end of April 1832 all were free.

Once back in Buenos Aires, three of the “non-prisoners” and all 7 prisoners made sworn statements describing how Captain Duncan disabled the settlement’s cannons, burned its gunpowder and smashed its muskets – that of course was to prevent anyone in the Falklands from committing any more acts of aggression against American ships. Duncan also took away the property belonging to the seized American ships. But not one of those statements mentions any damage to the settlement’s buildings or facilities,6 and it is clear that no serious material damage was done – all the houses remained inhabitable, the settlement continued with a very much reduced population, and went on selling beef and supplies on Louis Vernet’s account."

So, the American sail up, destroy all capacity for the locals to resist, and then say "Want to leave?" I wonder how many people would have remained if they possessed the capacity to defend themselves.

[Caragonia]

This is a falsehood. Vernet, who led the then-current Argentinian settlement, had pirated a number of US sealing ships. When made aware of this, a USN ship, the USS Lexington under the command of Captain Silas Duncan, sailed for the Falklands from Buenos Aires. On the 31st December 1831 the Captain

"...took prisoner the seven men who had seized the three American ships – his visit to the Falklands is known as “the Lexington raid”, and resulted in a sharp dispute between the United States and Buenos Aires that lasted for a long time.2 To prevent further harassment of American ships, Duncan and Captain Davison of the Harriet announced (perhaps untruthfully) that the New York sealing ships would band together to punish the settlement, leading the inhabitants to believe it had no future.3 Duncan also declared that the islands were the “common property of all nations” (in harmony with United States government policy, which denied any territorial sovereignty there).

Duncan offered to take any who wished to leave back to Montevideo, and some 25 of the roughly 70 inhabitants took him up on the offer – he made a point of welcoming them aboard his ship. In addition, 13 out of Vernet’s 15 black slaves were taken aboard by Henry Metcalf, the American settlement manager. Two black women did not leave, however, and lived as free people in the Falklands for many more years; one of them (Gregoria Parry) died in Stanley almost 40 years later in 1871. The Lexington then sailed away with about 46 people from the settlement aboard: 7 prisoners, 13 slaves and 26 settlers including two German families with altogether 5 children, one English-speaking family with 4 children, and a Spanish-speaking couple with one child. Apart from the seven men arrested by Duncan, all were “nonprisoners” who left the islands semi-voluntarily (encouraged to leave by Duncan’s exaggerated rumours about the risks to the settlement). At least one family, from Italy, was glad to go.4 The departure of these people, including nearly all the European settlers, was a serious blow to Vernet’s settlement.

About 24 people remained in the settlement at Port Louis, most of them Spanish-speaking gauchos from Buenos Aires, who were Vernet’s employees, plus several Charrúa Indians, who had been at war with the Montevideo authorities and gone to the Falklands with Vernet to avoid being kept in prison. Captain Duncan released the “non-prisoners” at Montevideo and took the 7 prisoners to Rio de Janeiro, but they were taken back to Buenos Aires in another American warship5 and released. None had been harmed, and by the end of April 1832 all were free.

Once back in Buenos Aires, three of the “non-prisoners” and all 7 prisoners made sworn statements describing how Captain Duncan disabled the settlement’s cannons, burned its gunpowder and smashed its muskets – that of course was to prevent anyone in the Falklands from committing any more acts of aggression against American ships. Duncan also took away the property belonging to the seized American ships. But not one of those statements mentions any damage to the settlement’s buildings or facilities,6 and it is clear that no serious material damage was done – all the houses remained inhabitable, the settlement continued with a very much reduced population, and went on selling beef and supplies on Louis Vernet’s account."

So, the American sail up, destroy all capacity for the locals to resist, and then say "Want to leave?" I wonder how many people would have remained if they possessed the capacity to defend themselves.

Probably the same twenty-four gauchos and Charrúa. After all, they could have still pirated other vessels, since that was the purpose of their weapons.

[Risottia]

So, the American sail up, destroy all capacity for the locals to resist, and then say "Want to leave?" I wonder how many people would have remained if they possessed the capacity to defend themselves.

Since it's been the Americans, and since the Argentines always whine about the Chago Islanders to show how the Falklanders should be uprooted from their land, I propose that Argentina substitutes the US at Diego Garcia for free - so they have an equal opportunity to piss off the Chago Islanders - and let's call it a draw.

[Tekania]

Now we're planning on nuking them, apparently.

It's a Trafalgar class hunter-killer (fast-attack sub). While they do have the capacity, much like ours( the US ) of carrying tactical nukes, tactical nukes haven't been deployed on hunter killers by the US or UK navies for more than a decade..... they do carry conventional TLAM's however... which have the capacity of delivering a multi-hundred pound HE warhead to the front door of house in Buenos Aires fired from off the Falkland coast.